Gasper: I think Bill is realizing his system doesn't work without high level QB play

ashley1992 said:

If Bill has talent at other positions on the team, he's going to win....qb is the most important position but think of when Casal was the starter, he was 11-5 and when Brady was suspended he was 3-1 with Jimmy and Brissett ....that's 14-6....if he has talent, he's going to win.

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You mean Cassel.

Out before you ban me.

amfootball said:

I am sorry guys but I would give Jones in a heart beat to get Watson, assuming of course his legal situation resolves. I do think Gasper has a great point about Shula's record and of course there is the Caserio connection.

Jones + 1st? Do it, do it, do it.

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$40 + million next year and the year after that...the Pats will be shedding lots of talent to do that.

50-yard-line said:

$40 + million next year and the year after that...the Pats will be shedding lots of talent to do that.

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We have plenty of cap next year and the year after. Watson will elevate the entire offense.

Damn. We can’t even let rookies get halfway through a season before running them out of town it seems.

amfootball said:

I am sorry guys but I would give Jones in a heart beat to get Watson, assuming of course his legal situation resolves. I do think Gasper has a great point about Shula's record and of course there is the Caserio connection.

Jones + 1st? Do it, do it, do it.

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No way the Texans are going for that deal! The last I heard it was a minimum of 3 #1s.

As far as all these legal problems go, they aren’t going away any time soon and as much as I hated to hear them, the number of accusations suggests that there is some fire in that smoke.

If these allegations are true and he some how settles them, do you really want that guy as the face of your organization? I don’t!

amfootball said:

I am sorry guys but I would give Jones in a heart beat to get Watson, assuming of course his legal situation resolves. I do think Gasper has a great point about Shula's record and of course there is the Caserio connection.

Jones + 1st? Do it, do it, do it.

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So you want to start Brian Hoyer and Jared Stidham as the Pats' QB for the rest of 2021 until the league let's Watson play again some time 2022 or beyond? Watson will not play again until his situation is resolved and that will not be resolved any time soon. The league will not let him play with dozens of sexual assault/rape lawsuits being unsettled. And Watson wants to fight it.

another @sb1 thread? this is the 5th one on the front page…

Rob0729 said:

So you want to start Jared Stidham for the rest of 2021 until the league let's Watson play again some time 2022 or beyond? Watson will not play again until his situation is resolved and that will not be resolved any time soon. The league will not let him play with dozens of sexual assault/rape lawsuits being unsettled. And Watson wants to fight it.

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Yes. 2021 is a wash anyways. We are not going to the post-season this year anyways and we will get a high draft pick as a result that we will most likely give to the Texans. Trade for Watson now, he gets suspended for the rest of this season and then he is good to go in 2022.

amfootball said:

Yes. 2021 is a wash anyways. We are not going to the post-season this year anyways and we will get a high draft pick as a result that we will most likely give to the Texans. Trade for Watson now, he gets suspended for the rest of this season and then he is good to go in 2022.

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But if 2021 is a wash anyway, why not see what the Pats have with Jones? He is likely to be a much better QB at the end of the season than he is now. Nobody appears to be trading for Watson anyway by the trade deadline anyway.

And why does chasing Shula matter? If the season is trashed? And who said it is trashed. The Pats are one game out of the Wild Card. They are showing some progress. They might be a decent team in the a few weeks.

Totally asinine. Bedard shot it down hard.

Rob0729 said:

And why does chasing Shula matter? If the season is trashed? And who said it is trashed. The Pats are one game out of the Wild Card. They are showing some progress. They might be a decent team in the a few weeks.

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I agree as a fan but I think it matters greatly to Bill.

TheRainMaker said:

Arizona is a good example that this is possible. They gave up on a top 10 QB pick after ONE year which is pretty unheard of. I thought they were crazy, but it's paying off. I'm not that high on Jones long term as there's really nothing that "wow's" you about him. His arm is very mediocre. And as many analysts have said, there's not much of a ceiling with him. However, he looks to be in control of the offense, makes protection calls, doesn't do anything stupid and looks fairly poised out there.

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Ding! Ding! Ding! Winner!!

My theory is this: coach/GM regimes are often unfairly given too little time. They tie their hopes to a quarterback, often a draft pick because the owner/fans believe it is all in their power to develop the QB. Therefore, they’re reluctant to move on immediately if the QB doesn’t have what it takes, even though the percentages favor moving on from QB after one year of two years max, then re-drafting a QB.

Even if the QB is “borderline” after year one, teams should consider drafting another QB if they’re in position to do so. Otherwise, your mistake has gone from a one year problem to a three to four year problem.

sb1 said:

Chattering about how Bill wants to win right now and catch Shula not win later. And since they haven't been doing much winning since Brady left he probably is considering a Mac-for-Deshaun Watson trade. LOL

Fast forward to 20:00

Google Podcasts

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Mac Jones For Deshaun Watson? Making Sense Of Recent Patriots Chatter

They sort of slipped through the cracks, but there were some interesting bits of conflicting New England Patriots reporting late last week.

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If there's any truth to that then maybe it really is time for BB to move on. Gasper tho...

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Ho Hum. Felger will say anything only considering how much crap he can stir up, truth is not relevant. Mazz is like Felger's bobblehead doll. Murray is a Tom Brady fan and an avowed Belichick hater. Gasper makes no sense at all. He has really bought into the "I'm a big TV star" role. I made the mistake of listening to them for two minutes monday and they were complaining that Bill didn't draft Davis Mills in the third round and some defensive whiz in the 15 slot. Yegads.

mgcolby said:

Right now given his current situation yes. He would not play a down this season for the Pats. No chance in hell Goodell allows that.

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He hasn't been put on any list, and he's got no criminal charges against him. If civil cases is enough to justify Goodell putting pepple on lists, the NFL is going to be playing 3-on-3 games.

That being said, it is Goodell, D. Smith has been an absolute disaster as the player's leader, and the players are going to give Smith another term, so that says a lot about Goodell's ability to do whatever the hell he wants, I guess.

Steve:Section 102 said:

You'd take him, not knowing what his long term status is?

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Not one woman had gotten criminal charges instated against him, and no Watson depositions in the civil cases are even expected until sometime in 2022, so what do you figure is the likelihood that he's going to serve any time in prison?

amfootball said:

I agree as a fan but I think it matters greatly to Bill.

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The Pats are going to win more games this year with Mac Jones than Brian Hoyer or Jared Stidham who will be starting the rest of this year if the Pats trade for Watson by the trade deadline. And if he gambles on Watson and Watson is prosecuted for rape, Belichick would have traded Jones and likely two first round picks for Watson's salary with him never seeing the field.

Deus Irae said:

Not one woman had gotten criminal charges instated against him, and no Watson depositions in the civil cases are even expected until sometime in 2022, so what do you figure is the likelihood that he's going to serve any time in prison?

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That wasn't the question, counselor. The question was whether or not you'd take him, not knowing his long term status.

Steve:Section 102 said:

That wasn't the question, counselor. The question was whether or not you'd take him, not knowing his long term status.

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And my response was to ask you a question, with a purpose to it.

Deus Irae said:

And my response was to ask you a question, with a purpose to it.

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So you 're not going to answer it, got it.

RobertWeathers said:

Yep. Hes been on the Bash Mac train since day 1.

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Which is weird. I'd _maybe_ understand if he was developing slow but uhh... It seems to be league-wide consensus that he looks pretty great. He's no TB, but who is?

The irony is that the title could be "I think Bill is realizing his system only works with QB's who can stand in the pocket and diagnose defenses" because that seems to be an system we're seeing less and less of with RPO/dual threat taking precedent.

TheRainMaker said:

Arizona is a good example that this is possible. They gave up on a top 10 QB pick after ONE year which is pretty unheard of. I thought they were crazy, but it's paying off. I'm not that high on Jones long term as there's really nothing that "wow's" you about him. His arm is very mediocre. And as many analysts have said, there's not much of a ceiling with him. However, he looks to be in control of the offense, makes protection calls, doesn't do anything stupid and looks fairly poised out there.

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Yes, but the top 10 pick they gave up on was Josh Rosen and it was after a complete season where he showed the Cardinals that he cannot play. Rosen in his rookie season had 2278 yards, 5.8 YPA, 11 TDs, 14 INTs, and 10 fumbles. He was a disaster. And the Cards had the #1 overall pick to replace Rosen with. If Rosen showed promise, the Cards might have traded away the #1 overall pick for multiple firsts and other picks and built around Rosen. But it was clear to the Cards that Rosen was never going to a starting QB in the NFL.

We are not talking abut Watson of last year. This is a guy with dozens of sexual assault and rape allegations against him and criminal probe for him. There is a possibility that Watson never plays football ever again. If the Houston DA brings rape charges against him, he could done as a football player. Watson is toxic until until this plays out.