What is BB's biggest mistake as head coach/GM of Patriots?

IMO, it was ignoring Goodell's Spygate memo.....

TheRainMaker said:

Bolden. That's a no brainer.

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That makes sense. But I think I'd rather have Bolden and two picks next year when I need them. I don't think the Pats will receive any comp picks in the 2022 draft.

Hyped said:

IMO, it was ignoring Goodell's Spygate memo.....

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He didn't ignore it. He gave Manboobs the middle finger after the Jets violated the rule with 2 cameras. Teams can't use 2. A normal commissioner would have punished both based on the knowledge they had a falling out and fined each and moved on similar the both the Yankees and Red Sox getting a punishment each for the shenanigans in 2017.

Again, Goodell is the cheater.

RobertWeathers said:

I was responding to the poster who said Ozzie sucked. He didn't suck.

My post has nothing to do with BB

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I didn't say he sucked. I think he's in line with Ted Thompson, John Schneider, 1 year dynasty type GMs who won a ring in the last 15 years. He was good.

Far cry from one person calling Ozzie the GOAT and you putting Ozzie in the same stratosphere as BB. That's ridiculous.

Hyped said:

IMO, it was ignoring Goodell's Spygate memo.....

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The reason why Bill ignored Goody's memo was because the decision where games were/aren't to be filmed was an NFL Competition Committee decision- not Goody's. Bill felt Goody overstepped he authority. We all know Bill has a little anti-establishment sentiment in him.

For whatever reason, Bill felt this was a minor infraction and was just trying to make a point. Clearly it was a colossal miscalculation of Goody in every way possible.

RobertWeathers said:

Again, he was. Kokinos was Assistant Dir Pro Personnel and reported to him.

http://www.ravenspr.com/coaches_personnel_bios/GEORGE_KOKINIS.pdf

Ozzie called the shots on the draft. Ozzie told Art Modell to fire him if he was not going to let him draft Ogden.

Ah so Ozzie is penalized for drafting HoF players and not replenishing the roster of HoF players? Really?

Good god.

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"On November 22, 2002, Newsome was named the first general manager of the Ravens, making him the first African-American to occupy that position in the NFL."

NewEraWithMac said:

I didn't say he sucked. I think he's in line with Ted Thompson, John Schneider, 1 year dynasty type GMs who won a ring in the last 15 years. He was good.

Far cry from one person calling Ozzie the GOAT and you putting Ozzie in the same stratosphere as BB. That's ridiculous.

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I never stated where I rank Ozzie compared to Bill.

NewEraWithMac said:

"On November 22, 2002, Newsome was named the first general manager of the Ravens, making him the first African-American to occupy that position in the NFL."

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...and Ozzie named him Dir of Pro Personnel shortly thereafter.

JMC00 said:

Who do you think Newsome learned from while making the transition from player to GM?

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WHat a world we live in where a GM who drafted and developed Brady, gave him all the answers to the test so to speak, who also gave guidance to Ozzie Newsome, somehow make Ozzie Newsome anywhere near Belichick's level, is beyond me.

RobertWeathers said:

...and Ozzie named him Dir of Pro Personnel shortly thereafter.

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Great.

I just think it's funny BB and Kokinis got the Ravens the extra pick in 1996 (Ray Lewis) and Ozzie Newsome wasn't named GM until 2002. Newsome had very little to do with the Ravens first SB situation. Get it?

Rob0729 said:

Newsome doesn't play or coach the games. He only can put the best talent on the field. And he consistently does.

Belichick the head coach bails out Belichick the GM quite a bit.

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That makes no sense. You don't form dynasties with bad players. What's next, BB bailed himself out with the Butler INT?

NewEraWithMac said:

Great.

I just think it's funny BB and Kokinis got the Ravens the extra pick in 1996 (Ray Lewis) and Ozzie Newsome wasn't named GM until 2002. Newsome had very little to do with the Ravens first SB situation. Get it?

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He was named VP of Player Personnel in 1996.


He picked the players. Jonathan Ogden is an example. The article I linked states this.

He was then promoted to GM in 2002.

Please feel free to post links to support your argument.

RobertWeathers said:

I never stated where I rank Ozzie compared to Bill.

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Right, but you're certainly forcibly making an argument that has little merit. 6 rings is better than 1. I don't know much clearer than that can be. I am comparing their resumes as GMs. Apples to apples. Also, Modell was the GM for the 1st SB ring as he was in Cleveland calling all the shots. We all know the issues BB had with that, too. I believe Ernie Accorsi was the veteran guy in Cleveland who worked under Modell. But, cheap Modell held those purse strings and called the shots.

And, BB has never had 6-10 type seasons either like Ozzie had in the 2000s. Nor did he miss the playoffs 3 years in a row.

And then, there's this:

"Since winning Super Bowl XLVII at the end of the 2012 season, the Ravens have a 40-40 record in the regular season."

There's a reason why Ozzie was "re-assigned" in house. He sucked with money management and didn't take advantage of that 2011 Rookie Cap like BB did, and he screwed himself as BB was forming his 2nd dynasty. He coasted with Lewis and Reed (what GM wouldn't), and only yielded that 2011 title.

These are just the facts. IMO, he's in the top 10, but near the back end. People mock BB's WR picks, but Ozzie was way worse. And, BB doesn't really draft WRs high anyway.

Ozzie started to lose his way badly in 2010 in the draft. Kindle fell down the stairs (true story), the guy's career was over, and BB bamboozled him using the 2009 trade out of the 1st rd, using it to trade up for Gronk. I mean, these are epic moves.

I won't get into all the WR whiffs or secondary whiffs at Safety like Elam and all the others.

I would even argue he was lucky he got that one ring that way that SB went down and the choke job by Denver in the postseason that year. And then the lights out at the SB thing which gave Baltimore a nice little rest. Flacco was on fire, but he waited to pay him so Flacco had the leverage and it ruined their upcoming seasons. BB wouldn't have done that.

Comparatively to the rest of the NFL, yes, he was good, one of the better ones.

RobertWeathers said:

He was named VP of Player Personnel in 1996.

Ravens

Ozzie Newsome's legacy is unlike any the game of football has produced. Simply put, "The Wizard" will forever remain in a class of his own. Flourishing at every point of his football career, Newsome has not just followed a successful path, he has blazed

www.baltimoreravens.com

He picked the players. Jonathan Ogden is an example. The article I linked states this.

He was then promoted to GM in 2002.

Please feel free to post links to support your argument.

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Correct. VP isn't the GM.

Who wouldn't have picked Ogden? WHy does Ozzie say that BB taught him everything he knows? Newsome was a recently retired guy learning his way in 1996. He wasn't the GM. Yes, he was promoted with full power in 2002 which I said earlier. He wasn't the guy solely responsible for that 1st ring in 2000.

NewEraWithMac said:

That makes no sense. You don't form dynasties with bad players. What's next, BB bailed himself out with the Butler INT?

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I didn't say that Belichick was a bad GM. I just said he isn't nearly as good as Newsome.

But the Pats won a Super Bowl with Troy Brown starting at CB, almost went to a Super Bowl and would have won with Reche Caldwell as the #1 WR, he had Bruschi play HBack in the red zone because they didn't have enough big red zone targets, etc. When Belichick the GM let the team down, Belichick the head coach and/or Brady bailed him out.

NewEraWithMac said:

Right, but you're certainly forcibly making an argument that has little merit. 6 rings is better than 1. I don't know much clearer than that can be. I am comparing their resumes as GMs. Apples to apples. Also, Modell was the GM for the 1st SB ring as he was in Cleveland calling all the shots. We all know the issues BB had with that, too. I believe Ernie Accorsi was the veteran guy in Cleveland who worked under Modell. But, cheap Modell held those purse strings and called the shots.

And, BB has never had 6-10 type seasons either like Ozzie had in the 2000s. Nor did he miss the playoffs 3 years in a row.

And then, there's this:

"Since winning Super Bowl XLVII at the end of the 2012 season, the Ravens have a 40-40 record in the regular season."

There's a reason why Ozzie was "re-assigned" in house. He sucked with money management and didn't take advantage of that 2011 Rookei Cap like BB did, and he screwed himself as BB was forming his 2nd dynasty. He coasted with Lewis and Reed (what GM wouldn't), and only yielded that 2011 title.

These are just the facts. IMO, he's in the top 10, but near the back end. People mock BB's WR picks, but Ozzie was way worse. And, BB doesn't really draft WRs high anyway.

Ozzie started to lose his way badly in 2010 in the draft. Kindle fell down the stairs and BB bamboozled him using the 2009 trade out of the 1st rd, using it to trade up for Gronk. I mean, these are epic moves.

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NewEraWithMac said:

Correct. VP isn't the GM.

Who wouldn't have picked Ogden? WHy does Ozzie say that BB taught him everything he knows? Newsome was a recently retired guy learning his way in 1996. He wasn't the GM. Yes, he was promoted with full power in 2002 which I said earlier. He wasn't the guy solely responsible for that 1st ring in 2000.

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You are arguing just to argue now.

I stated earlier BB is the GOAT GM. I never compared BB and Ozzie.

I provided multiple links stating Ozzie was VP of Player Personnel while Kokinis was Assistant Dir of Pro Personnel.

Modell wanted Lawrence Phillips.

You have you opinion of Ozzie. We knows this now.

- red sweatshirt
- trading Branch
- going for it within Ghost's range repeatedly
- benching Welker 1st series


...can make a similar list of Auerbach's boo-boos; they likewise won't take away the titles won

NewEraWithMac said:

How dare you post facts, reality and accurate history with context!

Lots of revisionist history regarding propping up Brady and strangely bashing the guy who drafted him, groomed him and gave him all the answers to the test across the table from him, as the greatest defensive mind the NFL has ever seen. It's amusing to me some people think BB had no influence on Brady's career.

Brady owes BB his career and millions as much as Dion Lewis, Rob Ninkovich, Edelman, Butler, Stephen Neal, or any other late rd or cast off player BB got the most out of in the last 20 years.

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They owe each other

biggest mistakes?

1. No Brainer - Not extending Brady... not sure if i posted it here, but i was on the record in 2018 saying at least a 4 year 100 million dollar extension, two option years to lower the cap hit.

2. After watching Brady tear it up with Moss, not going after a high caliber #1 wr.

3. Letting the cupboard run bare in 2019.

4. This is a twofer - Duane Starks & Monty Beisel... 'nuff said

5. Malcolm Butler / LI ... could have been, should have been 3 in a row. Even if he sat him for half the game, I think he would have sparked a flagging D by entering the game...


Not sure if this fits the bill, but i always have wondered if there was some kind of adjustment to be made in 42 that was missed... Having not rewatched that game, i'm hard pressed to remember much detail...

Pape said:

biggest mistakes?

1. No Brainer - Not extending Brady... not sure if i posted it here, but i was on the record in 2018 saying at least a 4 year 100 million dollar extension, two option years to lower the cap hit.

2. After watching Brady tear it up with Moss, not going after a high caliber #1 wr.

3. Letting the cupboard run bare in 2019.

4. This is a twofer - Duane Starks & Monty Beisel... 'nuff said

5. Malcolm Butler / LI ... could have been, should have been 3 in a row. Even if he sat him for half the game, I think he would have sparked a flagging D by entering the game...


Not sure if this fits the bill, but i always have wondered if there was some kind of adjustment to be made in 42 that was missed... Having not rewatched that game, i'm hard pressed to remember much detail...

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If the team was able to sign TB, and then buy all the free agents that they did this spring, then i would say not signing brady was the biggest mistake. But Brady would have to understand that the team was going to suck in 2020. But i don't know if that would have been possible.