OT: Have the Chiefs lost their swag?

MahomestoHill said:

Kelce sucks at blocking.

Everyone knows it.

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There you go. It's easy. Kelce can't block and is really just an oversized WR. He's still considered a TE, and is one of the very best in the game right now.


Brady can't run for ****. Still the G.O.A.T..

MahomestoHill said:

They don't need him to block though.

Mahomes gets it out so quick.

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This is where folks like you (and Chiefs fans) tend to miss the big picture. This isn't merely about blocking; yes, Gronk (and Kittle) are outstanding blockers. But if it were only about that, the team could just put in a backup tackle, call him a tight end, and use him for extra protection. Being a dual-threat like that changes the entire offense; teams cannot put in the right personnel considering a guy can either be an extra lineman or can streak up the seam for a huge game breaking play.

Absolutely, having a TE in last year's Super Bowl like Gronkowski would have made a pretty big difference. It changes everything about the running game, playaction, and the ability to punish the defense for being underaggressive or overaggressive.

Kelce is awesome...a huge advantage overall...but frankly there are few, if any, offensive players who can even compare in value to prime Gronkowski or Kittle when he's healthy and at his peak.

Uptown said:

While I do envy their offensive talent, they are quite top heavy & their defense revolves solely around Mathieu & Jones. If Hill or Kelce go down for an elongated period of time…they’re toast.

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This I can agree with however. And They’ve had pretty incredible luck with injuries to the big 3 especially considering how much load they’re carrying there. One year hill missed 4 games, one year maholmes missed 3 I think, that’s pretty much been it... and to my knowledge all have been healthy for each playoff round. That’s bound to change one of these years...

Uptown said:

How much?

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100 bucks to your favorite charity if the Chiefs don't win the SB. That means a loss in the big game or before.

If they do win the SB I guess I get bragging rights for a few days.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

This is where folks like you (and Chiefs fans) tend to miss the big picture. This isn't merely about blocking; yes, Gronk (and Kittle) are outstanding blockers. But if it were only about that, the team could just put in a backup tackle, call him a tight end, and use him for extra protection. Being a dual-threat like that changes the entire offense; teams cannot put in the right personnel considering a guy can either be an extra lineman or can streak up the seam for a huge game breaking play.

Absolutely, having a TE in last year's Super Bowl like Gronkowski would have made a pretty big difference. It changes everything about the running game, playaction, and the ability to punish the defense for being underaggressive or overaggressive.

Kelce is awesome...a huge advantage overall...but frankly there are few, if any, offensive players who can even compare in value to prime Gronkowski or Kittle when he's healthy and at his peak.

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Agreed

Uptown said:

Honestly, as long as Mahomes has sufficient protection, KC can win the SB. Let’s not let one game/envy allow us to kid ourselves. Will they win? Now that’s a completely different discussion that nobody has the answer to.

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The key word is “can”. Sure. But I think that depending on ridic scoring to get all the way to the end sometimes blows up in your face.

15-1 Vikings
16-0 NEP
2020 KC

I believe KC is a top contender as they’ve been for 3-4 years. But D - imo - shouldn’t be pushed aside and I think KC will regret the allocation of cap / ressources.

NewEraWithMac said:

Weak conference. I mean, they used to get cupcakes like the Raiders and teams like that. Denver with Elway and the pre cap cheating Broncos or even the Chiefs with Dave Krieg under Center.

That's why it happened and why they got waxxed by the Skins and Dallas. The NFC was superior by a wide margin at that point.

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While I agree that the NFC was clearly the superior conference in the late 80s and early/mid 90s and the Bills certainly wouldn't have made 4 straight Super Bowls in the NFC, they were a very good team that could legitimately hang with the NFC's best. Their problem was more that they for some reason had the mental toughness to slog through the regular season and AFC playoffs, only to crap their pants in the biggest game of them all, following wide right.
During the regular season the Bills demonstrated that they absolutely had the talent level to compete against the NFC's best. They beat the Giants in 1990, they handed the 49ers one of their two regular season losses in 1992 and they beat Dallas in the regular season in 1993.

farn said:

The key word is “can”. Sure. But I think that depending on ridic scoring to get all the way to the end sometimes blows up in your face.

15-1 Vikings
16-0 NEP
2020 KC

I believe KC is a top contender as they’ve been for 3-4 years. But D - imo - shouldn’t be pushed aside and I think KC will regret the allocation of cap / ressources.

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Of course. All I’m saying is that offense (when Mahomes has protection) can score in droves (like the 2017-2019 GSW) which in some cases offsets their subpar defense. Case in point: Would you feel comfortable being by 10 points with 5-7 min left in a game vs KC? Remember that 2019 playoff game vs HOU?

No.

Same team. They have always had a questionable defense outside of Chris Jones and Honey Badger

They are still great on offense, but ONE injury to either Hill or Kelce from being in trouble, IMO. As long as their big 3 on offense are playing, they are Superbowl contenders.

NewEraWithMac said:

I don't love the leadership to be honest. I mean, you have immature Hill, Mathieu, Kelce likes to run his mouth with Jones predicting "6 or 7 Super Bowls", etc.

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Yeah this comment was a bit premature:

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

The point spread would likely have the Chiefs favored against any other team; maybe a very slight underdog to Tampa Bay. Of course they're capable of beating any team in the league. I just think they've misplayed how to build a team around Mahomes-Hill-Kelce and they could be head and shoulders above anyone else (except the Bucs, but that's an entirely different situation in how they've build that roster.)

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I could be wrong but I believe that last defensive player kc took in round 1 was Marcus Peters. They won’t come out and say it but I think they would like a redo on that CEH pick.

People put too much stock in the early part of the season. The Chiefs are not looking like a powerhouse right now, but it is a long season. It isn't how you start the year, it is how you end it.

Rob0729 said:

People put too much stock in the early part of the season. The Chiefs are not looking like a powerhouse right now, but it is a long season. It isn't how you start the year, it is how you end it.

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That's fine when you don't go boasting about how you are going to be 17-0 and lose to a glorified running back..

MahomestoHill said:

No. It's one game. You could say they were lucky to beat Cleveland. But they were kind of unlucky last night. How often does Mahomes throw a head scratching pick? Or the RB fumble? It was a one off.

1-1 with Chargers upcoming. I see a bounce back win. Herbert is mistake prone. 45-13 Chiefs.

The defense is definitely a concern. But Veach will do whatever it takes to improve on it.

Bottom line is there isn’t a perfect team in this league. By that I mean a team without defencies.

Only team that can beat us is us--injuries and self inflicted costly errors.

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Chargers always give the Chiefs a good game, though. Always.

50-yard-line said:

Chargers always give the Chiefs a good game, though. Always.

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Meh.

I hope the Chiefs win.

I tend to get depressed after losses.

I like mahommes. I worry about the long term health of his arm the way he snaps the ball out. When I throw that way, I feel it. He’s probably got the best trainers in the business. They’re an AFC rival if we somehow put it all together down the stretch so I know my delight in their losing is just based on that. I think they’re the team to beat but really hope they have the super bowl loss hangover.

BigPeteG said:

That's fine when you don't go boasting about how you are going to be 17-0 and lose to a glorified running back..

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Oh snap

MahomestoHill said:

Meh.

I hope the Chiefs win.

I tend to get depressed after losses.

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Oh, I hear ya. Division games are always tougher, and the Chargers give the Chiefs fits - probably because they can rush four and get there.

The three headed monster of Mahomes Hill and Kelce will get them a bye most likely. But they can't keep relying on them being flawless week in and week out. Defense needs to be better

PF_SU said:

While I agree that the NFC was clearly the superior conference in the late 80s and early/mid 90s and the Bills certainly wouldn't have made 4 straight Super Bowls in the NFC, they were a very good team that could legitimately hang with the NFC's best. Their problem was more that they for some reason had the mental toughness to slog through the regular season and AFC playoffs, only to crap their pants in the biggest game of them all, following wide right.
During the regular season the Bills demonstrated that they absolutely had the talent level to compete against the NFC's best. They beat the Giants in 1990, they handed the 49ers one of their two regular season losses in 1992 and they beat Dallas in the regular season in 1993.

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They also ran that style offense Brady liked pre 2014 and 2007-2012, where it was finesse. They got out-muscled. The Fouts Chargers used to run into the same kind of problem..

I am not saying Buffalo was not good. They were. They were great! I just think that era, the NFC used to win all the SBs. Remember? It started to shift in 1982 with the Skins, then the 9ers, Bears, Giants, etc. Not one AFC team save for Cincy in '88 gave any of the NFC teams a run for their money outside of Buffalo in '90.