PostGame Thread Official Post Game Thread- Pats beat the Jets

SVN · Sep 19, 2021

Pats need to run better and stop the run better. its no secret that was their formula of going with mac. The new receiving weapons will come into play as the yr goes on. But right now mac is having to do too much IMO. I have issues with the handoffs being called when mac is throwing well.i have more issues that they cant run as effectively at times.

DaBruinz · Sep 20, 2021

Bill Lee said:
NO should be a good test of where we are, Tampa is pretty dubious at this point. BUF did what we could not do, put a solid hit on Tua, knocked him out and went on to a blowout.

I'd say we're on track for a wild card at best, hoping for more is mis-managing expectations, IMO.

I'd say you haven't watched a single New Orleans snap this year. The only team worse than them are the Jets..

I'd say your "synopsis" leaves a lot to be desired and begs whether or not you've actually followed this team by watching the games at all over the last 20 years of the BB regime. The defense WILL get better. It's not like when Jamie Collins was back there and they crapped the bed the 2nd half of the season. You also are giving ZERO credit for Mac Jones to improve during this season. Something which WILL happen. As should our O-line play.

What is "mismanaging" expectations is not taking those into consideration. Though Buffalo just obliterated Miami, they also lost to a mediocre Steelers team. A Steeler's team that lost to a Raiders team that isn't impressive defensively. Pretty sure that NO ONE is Jumping up and down saying "We're going to the play-offs" at this point. But thinking that ONLY the Wild Card is what is in reach with 3 teams at 1-1 in the division, is plain silly.

Brewskies · Sep 20, 2021

Good Win. The Offensive and Defensive lines need to improve. It will come.

Bill Lee · Sep 20, 2021

DaBruinz said:
I'd say you haven't watched a single New Orleans snap this year. The only team worse than them are the Jets..

I'd say your "synopsis" leaves a lot to be desired and begs whether or not you've actually followed this team by watching the games at all over the last 20 years of the BB regime. The defense WILL get better. It's not like when Jamie Collins was back there and they crapped the bed the 2nd half of the season. You also are giving ZERO credit for Mac Jones to improve during this season. Something which WILL happen. As should our O-line play.

What is "mismanaging" expectations is not taking those into consideration. Though Buffalo just obliterated Miami, they also lost to a mediocre Steelers team. A Steeler's team that lost to a Raiders team that isn't impressive defensively. Pretty sure that NO ONE is Jumping up and down saying "We're going to the play-offs" at this point. But thinking that ONLY the Wild Card is what is in reach with 3 teams at 1-1 in the division, is plain silly.

I did watch those terrible Saints beating GB 38-3 and have watched every Pats game going back to the Marion Butts era.

You do realize that other teams can get better after Game 1 too, right?

I didn't say a Wild Card is the ONLY outcome, but if you need to write that kind of sh!t to make your point stick, that's on you, d-bag.

Good night, talk to you tomorrow when you're sober...

DaBruinz · Sep 20, 2021

Kdo5 said:
Mac was good, not great. That’s two solid performances in a row. IMO there is no question that Mac is the better player than Zach Wilson and probably always will be.

What does it take for you to consider MAC's play to be "great". Personally, I think that he as been great. For a Rookie.

In 2 games:
51 completions on 69 attemps - 73.9% comp %. 467 yards. 7passes of 20+ yards. 4 sacks. 2 fumbles-0 Lost. 1 TD. 1 Int. Grounding penalty.

The one area of concern to this point is what has led to at least 2 of the sacks, both fumbles, and the penalty. It is that Mac is trying to do too much. I'd rather see him throwing it away more often than taking the hits or throwing it into the ground the way he did today.

If you look at Brady's first two starts in 2001. He didn't even complete 60% of his passes. He took 5 sacks. had 2 fumbles. Yes he had zero TD and zero Ints as well.

Now, what's interesting is that there are currently 13 QBs including Mac who are currently passing at 70% or better. But Mac is 6th currently in comp %. As a rookie. I think that's astounding, all things considered. What is really interesting is that Jameis Winston is a 59.5% comp, Josh Allen is at 56% comp, and Aaron Rodgers is at 53.6% comp. The other 4 rookies QBs are all below 55.7% comp or worse.

So, I don't know what he has to do to be considered "playing great" for you, but that's what he's doing in my book.

Ring 6 · Sep 20, 2021

DropKickFlutie said:
All good points.

It's weird knowing the RT sucks yet you keep seeing the oc call a ton of shotgun formations over and over in the first half.

Shotgun let’s the QBs get rid of the ball faster. Duh.

DropKickFlutie · Sep 20, 2021

Ring 6 said:
Shotgun let’s the QBs get rid of the ball faster. Duh.

This is stubbornly sticking to something that isn't true and then wrecking our QB over some overly simplistic low-IQ thinking.

A defense tees off on our turnstile OLine when they see shotgun because they just sprint 100% in pass rush.

It actually protects Mac a lot more to run everything under-center in 2TE formations where you can always make a line adjustment and have 1 or both TEs stay in to block, or block and release. Play action also slows down a pass rush plus opens up looks to throw.

Ring 6 · Sep 20, 2021

DropKickFlutie said:
This is stubbornly sticking to something that isn't true and then wrecking our QB over some overly simplistic low-IQ thinking.

A defense tees off on our turnstile OLine when they see shotgun because they just sprint 100% in pass rush.

It actually protects Mac a lot more to run everything under-center in 2TE formations where you can always make a line adjustment and have 1 or both TEs stay in to block, or block and release. Play action also slows down a pass rush plus opens up looks to throw.

We run out of the shot gun. Duh.

DaBruinz · Sep 20, 2021

Bill Lee said:
I did watch those terrible Saints beating GB 38-3 and have watched every Pats game going back to the Marion Butts era.

You do realize that other teams can get better after Game 1 too, right?

I didn't say a Wild Card is the ONLY outcome, but if you need to write that kind of sh!t to make your point stick, that's on you, d-bag.

Good night, talk to you tomorrow when you're sober...

You clearly have no clue what you wrote because you said " on track for a wild card at best". That means you don't see the Pats doing any better than 2nd in the AFCE and 5th (at best) in the AFC. Which is exactly how I took it and responded to you, in kind. But please, if you think that means something else, please explain.

I stand by my statements that your synopsis is essentially garbage and ignores how Belichick teams have done in 17 of the previous years. And no. Your "synopsis" doesn't support your claims that you've watched every game since Marion Butts was the RB. But nice claim. It fits right along with your Pats are "on track for a wild card at best" claim. Essentially a bunch of BS that Ms. Cleo would applaud.

So, when you are sober tomorrow, you can post your apology for being the D-bag and getting your panties in a wad because someone had the audacity to call you out on your ridiculous post.

Guts · Sep 20, 2021

Both our O and D Line have to play better. But a win is a win and a divisional win much sweeter.

Patsfan1958 · Sep 20, 2021

Q: How many Jets fans does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None they are happy living in New England's shadow!

Q: What's the difference between the New England Patriots and the New York Jets?
A: The last Patriots Super Bowl team picture isn't in black and white.

Q: What's the difference between the Jets and cigarettes?
A: Bill Belichick doesn't smoke cigarettes

‘Mondre · Sep 20, 2021

Mac will have plenty of time, esp if he turns out to be special, to be gunslinger when he has to be.

I wouldn’t force it. Look at Wilson....

i expected this pace given the preseason changes, roster turnover, and... the fact that he is a rookie still.

hey chandler Jones got five sacks last week

rochrist · Sep 20, 2021

MahomestoHill said:
I think he can do more but it's not his fault imo. The Offensive Coordinator needs to let the chains off soto speak. Let him go out there and do his thing. There will be failures. There will be successes. But that's life as a rookie QB.

I mean, look how well it worked out for Zach.

rochrist · Sep 20, 2021

DropKickFlutie said:
This is stubbornly sticking to something that isn't true and then wrecking our QB over some overly simplistic low-IQ thinking.

A defense tees off on our turnstile OLine when they see shotgun because they just sprint 100% in pass rush.

It actually protects Mac a lot more to run everything under-center in 2TE formations where you can always make a line adjustment and have 1 or both TEs stay in to block, or block and release. Play action also slows down a pass rush plus opens up looks to throw.

You should tell Bill that! He could use your advice!!

Ollie · Sep 20, 2021

mike_usagisan said:
In two games, they limited their opponents to 17 and 6 point. I know people want the defense to lock down every play, but somehow I don’t think the defense is the problem. It seems like the OL, which makes the run game stall, and which allows Mac to not have enough time is the real problem.

OL is a concern although if everyone is fit less so. Wynn hasn't been great so far but i can see the OL getting better. The DL does worry me especially against the run. I'm not expecting lockdown on every play but they are consistently pushed off the ball on almost every run play in the first two games. If that doesn't change it's going to be a long season. Yesterday we won because Wilson has a nightmare. If he has even just an average game then i think we would really struggle. I have more concerns after yesterdays win than the loss in the first week.

fnordcircle · Sep 20, 2021

Delicate Genius said:
Mac's first win.

"69 me Hoyer!"

Loves me some Kenny Omega.

farn · Sep 20, 2021

DropKickFlutie said:
Byron Leftwich is an incredible offensive coordinator!!! 4+ TD passes in 4 straight games, a streak not last seen since Marino.

This is a hilarious post : very well played.

Sicilian · Sep 20, 2021

So, I think we're suffering from a little bit of mental lag here this season. For the most part, in 20 years with Tom Brady, we never had to ask the question, "How can we win the Super Bowl?" It was always, "Where are the flaws that could get in the way of us winning a Super Bowl?" And so, even after wins, the discussions would always be "Yeah, but..." because we knew playoffs (and likely AFFCG appearances) were a given. The questions were always centered around what will happen when we face the best of the best.

We have a rookie QB who's made two NFL starts (and played well in both). Four of our top Six receiving targets (projected) are new to this team, new to each other, and obviously all six are new to Mac. The idea that this offense isn't firing on all cylinders against two defensive minded coaches (one of whom is a former assistant here) should be a surprise to no one. What you want to see is improvement as the year goes on, so getting a three score win on the road here SHOULD be a positive thing. But you'd never know it reading this thread.

I'd like to remind folks that it took the greatest QB of all time half a season to really click with a group of players that (outside of Gronk) were ALL used to playing together. The results looked better because of the talent in that group and because Brady is well... BRADY, but there is a continued underestimation here of what it takes to develop timing and rhythm on offense with a group of entirely unfamiliar players. There's no doubt in my mind that Belichick and McDaniels know this, and also know that they didn't need Mac to put up 40 points to beat the Jets. The gameplan was conservative, and they won the game by 19 points. Conversely, Zach Wilson was aggressive for aggressive's sake and gave his team no chance to win.

Let's rejoice in the fact that the Jets might be ruining another top 5 QB pick! This should be a happy day, you sorry sods.

Pats2000 · Sep 20, 2021

DropKickFlutie said:
This is stubbornly sticking to something that isn't true and then wrecking our QB over some overly simplistic low-IQ thinking.

A defense tees off on our turnstile OLine when they see shotgun because they just sprint 100% in pass rush.

It actually protects Mac a lot more to run everything under-center in 2TE formations where you can always make a line adjustment and have 1 or both TEs stay in to block, or block and release. Play action also slows down a pass rush plus opens up looks to throw.

You might be requesting to much of Mac at this point to manage 12 personnel under center that way.

Ollie · Sep 20, 2021

Sicilian said:
So, I think we're suffering from a little bit of mental lag here this season. For the most part, in 20 years with Tom Brady, we never had to ask the question, "How can we win the Super Bowl?" It was always, "Where are the flaws that could get in the way of us winning a Super Bowl?" And so, even after wins, the discussions would always be "Yeah, but..." because we knew playoffs (and likely AFFCG appearances) were a given. The questions were always centered around what will happen when we face the best of the best.

We have a rookie QB who's made two NFL starts (and played well in both). Four of our top Six receiving targets (projected) are new to this team, new to each other, and obviously all six are new to Mac. The idea that this offense isn't firing on all cylinders against two defensive minded coaches (one of whom is a former assistant here) should be a surprise to no one. What you want to see is improvement as the year goes on, so getting a three score win on the road here SHOULD be a positive thing. But you'd never know it reading this thread.

I'd like to remind folks that it took the greatest QB of all time half a season to really click with a group of players that (outside of Gronk) were ALL used to playing together. The results looked better because of the talent in that group and because Brady is well... BRADY, but there is a continued underestimation here of what it takes to develop timing and rhythm on offense with a group of entirely unfamiliar players. There's no doubt in my mind that Belichick and McDaniels know this, and also know that they didn't need Mac to put up 40 points to beat the Jets. The gameplan was conservative, and they won the game by 19 points. Conversely, Zach Wilson was aggressive for aggressive's sake and gave his team no chance to win.

Let's rejoice in the fact that the Jets might be ruining another top 5 QB pick! This should be a happy day, you sorry sods.

This type of well thought out balanced and measured thinking will make you no friends here

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