Will/Should we sign Samuel?

This will make a difference going into the draft
Think we can afford to keep him? I hate to see him just walk and get nothing!

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should. likely will.

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carolinatony said:

This will make a difference going into the draft
Think we can afford to keep him? I hate to see him just walk and get nothing!

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Can't afford him. He'll at least want to test FA if he thinks this year's franchise tag is "unfair".

I think he's a good player but been coached up a lot.

History of Pats leaving isn't good - for the teams that sign them.

Time for new blood anyway. Can't have everyone on the team on a high veteran contract.

We should resign him.

But he will leave along with Wilson and Gay.

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No. The team needs to resign Moss, and lock up Wilfork. Resign Blue, lock up Hobbs. Richardson looked solid and he is getting his red-shirt season. You can't have the highest paid QB (once Brady's deal is redone), WR, DE and CB on the same team. Not fiscally responsible. I love Samuel, but there are greener pastures for him elsewhere. Plus Mankins will be coming up after next season, and he will demand and deserve more than Hutchinson.

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PonyExpress said:

No. The team needs to resign Moss, and lock up Wilfork. Resign Blue, lock up Hobbs. Richardson looked solid and he is getting his red-shirt season. You can't have the highest paid QB (once Brady's deal is redone), WR, DE and CB on the same team. Not fiscally responsible. I love Samuel, but there are greener pastures for him elsewhere. Plus Mankins will be coming up after next season, and he will demand and deserve more than Hutchinson.

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Good points. I'm sure we'll make an effort, but with the high draft pick in hand, we won't be feeling desperate.

Maybe Moss or someone can slip Assante the kool-aid between now and then.

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Personally, I think Samuel has been a little disappointing this year and has cost himself money. However, "Get Paid" will certainly take his shot at free agency. I am going to compare Samuel to Givens, as I think both of them were a product of the system. I find it hard to put Asante with the likes of Bailey, Mathis, etc.

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If samuel leaves I hope at least they secure Moss and Mankins, OLinemen are important and needed in the future.

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PonyExpress said:

No. The team needs to resign Moss, and lock up Wilfork. Resign Blue, lock up Hobbs. Richardson looked solid and he is getting his red-shirt season. You can't have the highest paid QB (once Brady's deal is redone), WR, DE and CB on the same team. Not fiscally responsible. I love Samuel, but there are greener pastures for him elsewhere. Plus Mankins will be coming up after next season, and he will demand and deserve more than Hutchinson.

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I agree about Wilfork but not much else. Samuel is clearly superior to Gay, Hobbs is nothing special and he can be replaced when he leaves after 2009.

Richardson looked solid? Not much of a sample to go on.

I love Mankins but I would rather spend big money on a CB than a guard, and I really really like Mankins.

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I think Samuel doesn't want to stay. Haven't you noticed that Hobbs is the vocal leader of the secondary now, along with Harrison. It's not Samuel. I expect, he'll look for the big payday and ride into obscurity for a cruddy team like San Fran or Oakland or Kansas City, to hang with Ty Law.

The future is Randall Gay. Gay will be a Patriot lifer, because BB will pay him at a level other teams wont be willing to match. Gay is an incredible tackler and decent cover corner, but not a highlight film. Steady and reliable. Exactly what BB wants. But Samuel's flashy ball skills are the kind that every moron GM in the NFL believe is the one last thing that will put his D over the top, and will be prepared to over pay to acquire.

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rookBoston said:

I think Samuel doesn't want to stay. Haven't you noticed that Hobbs is the vocal leader of the secondary now, along with Harrison. It's not Samuel. I expect, he'll look for the big payday and ride into obscurity for a cruddy team like San Fran or Oakland or Kansas City, to hang with Ty Law.

The future is Randall Gay. Gay will be a Patriot lifer, because BB will pay him at a level other teams wont be willing to match. Gay is an incredible tackler and decent cover corner, but not a highlight film. Steady and reliable. Exactly what BB wants. But Samuel's flashy ball skills are the kind that every moron GM in the NFL believe is the one last thing that will put his D over the top, and will be prepared to over pay to acquire.

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It must be the bye weekend but I disagree with just about everything in this post as well. Samuel has said maybe 3 words since he got here, Hobbs was born yapping his mouth. Not sure what the connection between being verbose and on field production but clearly the silent one is a much better corner than Hobbs or Gay.

If BB loved ready steady Randall why doesn't he start him instead of Samuel? Samuel is in another league and he will 'Get Paid' because he is damn good. Is he better because of the excellent front seven he plays with? of course, but he is young, understands the system and improving. I wouldn't rule out the Patriots signing him long term but don't think it will happen. He is the type of player you build your cornerbacks around, Gay is a pretty good JAG but nothing to write home about (and just a tad bit prone to injury).

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rookBoston said:

I think Samuel doesn't want to stay. Haven't you noticed that Hobbs is the vocal leader of the secondary now, along with Harrison. It's not Samuel. I expect, he'll look for the big payday and ride into obscurity for a cruddy team like San Fran or Oakland or Kansas City, to hang with Ty Law.

The future is Randall Gay. Gay will be a Patriot lifer, because BB will pay him at a level other teams wont be willing to match. Gay is an incredible tackler and decent cover corner, but not a highlight film. Steady and reliable. Exactly what BB wants. But Samuel's flashy ball skills are the kind that every moron GM in the NFL believe is the one last thing that will put his D over the top, and will be prepared to over pay to acquire.

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Agreed, Samuel is gone to a big contract and "probable" obscurity. Gay will be resigned for sure. Our defense is predicated on upfront pressure and Gay will slide into Hobbs point, who will fill in Samuel's position. It's the way it is.

cstjohn17 said:

It must be the bye weekend but I disagree with just about everything in this post as well. Samuel has said maybe 3 words since he got here, Hobbs was born yapping his mouth. Not sure what the connection between being verbose and on field production but clearly the silent one is a much better corner than Hobbs or Gay.

If BB loved ready steady Randall why doesn't he start him instead of Samuel? Samuel is in another league and he will 'Get Paid' because he is damn good. Is he better because of the excellent front seven he plays with? of course, but he is young, understands the system and improving. I wouldn't rule out the Patriots signing him long term but don't think it will happen. He is the type of player you build your cornerbacks around, Gay is a pretty good JAG but nothing to write home about (and just a tad bit prone to injury).

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Duuuuuuh, Samuel starts because he's better then Gay. That means nothing in terms of value and need. It's nice have Samuel, but he's not the end all, and folks such as Wilfork, Warren of even Green provide better value. Do you not have a clue as to what our defense is?

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Patriot_in_NY said:

Agreed, Samuel is gone to a big contract and "probable" obscurity. Gay will be resigned for sure. Our defense is predicated on upfront pressure and Gay will slide into Hobbs point, who will fill in Samuel's position. It's the way it is.



Duuuuuuh, Samuel starts because he's better then Gay. That means nothing in terms of value and need. It's nice have Samuel, but he's not the end all, and folks such as Wilfork, Warren of even Green provide better value. Do you not have a clue as to what our defense is?

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Wilfork is a priority, I think I said that. Green is a good player but having a quality cornerback is also important. I could be wrong but during the Patriots recent run the teams that have done well have always had a top CB (Ty Law, Samuel). The very good defenses have been very balanced, excellent front seven and very good coverage corners.

If Gay can be signed it lessens the loss in secondary but still leaves a huge whole at the top end.

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I know there was a thread on this, but I can't find it. Could someone post who the FA are for the next offseason?

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I agree with Rook on the assessment of Gay. He is Patriot material. He is a FANTASTIC tackler.

cstjohn17 said:

If BB loved ready steady Randall why doesn't he start him instead of Samuel? Samuel is in another league and he will 'Get Paid' because he is damn good. ... Gay is a pretty good JAG but nothing to write home about (and just a tad bit prone to injury).

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You're missing the point. In the context of the NFL - with a salary cap - it's about value. Samuel might be better but Gay will be WAY better value. If this were MLB and we were a big market team, we could think like you, but it's not.

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How much of what they offer Samuel will depend on the status of our lb's next year?
I don't know what FA lb's are on the market for next year, but it would seem the Patriots need to start thinking about Jr & Brushi's replacements.

I'd like to see Samuel stay, but based on what happened with the franchise tag situation, I would bet that he will test the market, and the Pats won't even be in the top 5 of offers he receives.

I would love for us to get the Florida kid, #19. I'm drawing a blank on his name.

If he wants to be paid as the #1 or #2 corner in the league (and there's no reason to think he doesn't)...No

I think we should sign Samuel to a long term deal, he has proven over the past two years that he is a top corner in the league, without him and I don't think Hobbs has proven he can handle being the #1 CB for this team. Keep Samuel give him his money and have him anchor the the backs for the next 5 years.

Yes, I believe we should sign him, but I am not sure they will.

Just guessing here: We should, but we probably won't. And we'll miss him more when he's gone than we appreciate him when he's here.