Never forget

I'm about to watch the documentary 102 Minutes That Changed America.



Highly recommended if you've never seen it. There is no narration. It shows 9/11 as it was happening minute by minute using footage from personal cameras, police, and firefighters recordings. Unfortunately, not available to stream anywhere except the History Channel Vault. However, it can be gotten by other ways.

borg said:

A family friend lost her firefighter brother in the towers that day. She became heavily involved in several of the "survivor" organizations afterward. At one point, she along with several other relatives who also lost family members in the towers were flown down to Guantanamo Bay by the military to witness one of the trials of a captured terrorist.
The "defendant" entered the hearing room, saw the unusual group gathered in the room, and apparently asked his attorney who these people were. After being told, he stared at the group and then used his hands to simulate a plane crash.
True story

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And then the piece of garbage was removed from the planet.

Heartbreaking day. The footage remains etched in my mind. I owned an inbound call center back then, and around noon sent everyone home. People needed to be with their families and loved ones.

One ripple effect: my oldest married a lovely girl whose 10th birthday was 9/11. Today she's 30. She will never forget. And neither should any of us.

borg said:

A family friend lost her firefighter brother in the towers that day. She became heavily involved in several of the "survivor" organizations afterward. At one point, she along with several other relatives who also lost family members in the towers were flown down to Guantanamo Bay by the military to witness one of the trials of a captured terrorist.
The "defendant" entered the hearing room, saw the unusual group gathered in the room, and apparently asked his attorney who these people were. After being told, he stared at the group and then used his hands to simulate a plane crash.
True story

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OMG they found someone guilty at G-Bay? I am shocked.

Practically all of the detainees, who were tortured, several to death, were innocent relatives of dubious suspects, or likewise innocent dirt farmers kidnapped by bounty hunters and given to us for money.

Patsfanin Philly said:

Celebrations by Palestinians...

Netanyahu’s son recirculates footage of Palestinians celebrating 9/11 attacks

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While appearing just despicable, that initial, instinctive reaction on the part of many including the Palestinians was the understandable result of endless subjugation and oppression of many various vulnerable and disadvantaged peoples by us forever, which continue to this day.

This feeling is that the big bully got torn down a bit, which I think may have been part of Bin Laden's intention. But of course, it's misplaced...practically none of the victims had anything to do with our government or foreign policy, and the attack just made everything worse for everybody.

The post-911 Fourth Reich/War Of Terror dishonors and insults the victims, including those I loved

Our country's response is a missed opportunity to demonstrate that resentment and enmity toward us is misplaced.

Yes. Never forget.
I know others have many, many more horrific stories than mine but I’ll never forget for:
I left Boston on 9/10, at 8pm to Germany. I arrived and turned on the TV to see you he aftermath of the first plane hit. Then watched the second in horror. I tried over and over for days to reach my family but no luck. All lines were gone.
I had to work, and when I did, I tried not to think about not making contact. And then when out for dinner, to which a lot of people said, “maybe you got what you deserved”. It was awful
There was a no fly zone in the USA. So I eventually got a flight into Canada after 2 weeks and rented a car. When I crossed the border, the agent said welcome home and I was so happy.
Back to my flight, there are stories that they wanted to take flights to Europe and crash the towers because they had more fuel. My flight was one of them.
Like I said, I will always remember and I know there are true hero’s who saves people’s lives and I am thankful for their heroism.

I hate today.

dtbrks said:

Yes. Never forget.
I know others have many, many more horrific stories than mine but I’ll never forget for:
I left Boston on 9/10, at 8pm to Germany. I arrived and turned on the TV to see you he aftermath of the first plane hit. Then watched the second in horror. I tried over and over for days to reach my family but no luck. All lines were gone.
I had to work, and when I did, I tried not to think about not making contact. And then when out for dinner, to which a lot of people said, “maybe you got what you deserved”. It was awful
There was a no fly zone in the USA. So I eventually got a flight into Canada after 2 weeks and rented a car. When I crossed the border, the agent said welcome home and I was so happy.
Back to my flight, there are stories that they wanted to take flights to Europe and crash the towers because they had more fuel. My flight was one of them.
Like I said, I will always remember and I know there are true hero’s who saves people’s lives and I am thankful for their heroism.

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I forgot to add my family was going to vizier the World Trade Center that day but decided to sleep late and go in to th afternoon.
try calling when I thought there were gonna visit there. And being in Europe
A very bad 2 weeks.

This is not a joke.

I love football. But it’s not life. At all

Todd: Hello… Operator…listen to me…I can’t speak very loud. – This is an emergency. I’m a passenger on a United flight to San Francisco.. We have a situation here….Our plane has been hijacked…..can you understand me?
Lisa: (exhaling a deep breath to herself) I understand… Can the hijackers see you talking on the phone?
Todd: No
Lisa: Can you tell me how many hijackers are on the plane?
Todd: There are three that we know of.
Lisa: Can you see any weapons? What kind of weapons do they have?
Todd: Yes…. they don’t have guns….they have knives – they took over the plane with knives.
Lisa: Do you mean…like steak knives?
Todd: No, these are razor knives…like box cutters.
Lisa: Can you tell what country these people are from?
Todd: No…..I don’t know. They sound like they’re from the mid-east.
Lisa: Have they said what they want?
Todd: Someone announced from the ****pit that there was a bomb on board. He said he was the captain and to stay in our seats and stay quiet.
He said that they were meeting these men’s demands and returning to the airport… It was very broken English, and… I’m telling you…it sounded fake!
Lisa: Ok sir, please give me your name.
Todd: My name is Todd Beamer.
Lisa: Ok Todd….my name is Lisa…Do you know your flight number? If you can’t remember, it’s on your ticket.
Todd: It’s United Flight 93.
Lisa: Now Todd, can you try to tell me exactly what happened?
Todd: Two of the hijackers were sitting in first class near the ****pit. A third one was sitting near the back of the coach section. The two up. front got into the ****pit somehow; there was shouting. The third hijacker said he had a bomb. It looks like a bomb. He’s got it tied to his waist with a red belt of some kind.
Lisa: So is the door to the ****pit open?
Todd: No, the hijackers shut it behind them.
Lisa: Has anyone been injured?
Todd: Yes, ..they…they killed one passenger sitting in first class. There’s been lots of shouting. We don’t know if the pilots are dead or alive. A flight attendant told me that the pilot and copilot had been forced from the ****pit and may have been wounded.
Lisa: Where is the 3rd hijacker now Todd?
Todd: He’s near the back of the plane. They forced most of the passengers into first class. There are fourteen of us here in the back. Five are flight attendants. He hasn’t noticed that I slipped into this pantry to get the phone. The guy with the bomb ordered us to sit on the floor in the rear of the plane……….oh Jesus.. Help!
Lisa: Todd….are you ok? Tell me what’s happening!
Todd: Hello…..We’re going down….I think we’re going to crash……Wait – wait a minute. No, we’re leveling off….we’re ok. I think we may be turning around…..That’s it – we changed directions. Do you hear me….we’re flying east again.
Lisa: Ok Todd…. What’s going on with the other passengers?
Todd: Everyone is… really scared. A few passengers with cell phones have made calls to relatives. A guy, Jeremy, was talking to his wife just before the hijacking started. She told him that hijackers had crashed two planes into the World Trade Center……Lisa is that true??
Lisa: Todd…..I have to tell you the truth…..it’s very bad. The World Trade Center is gone. Both of the towers have been destroyed.
Todd: Oh God —help us!
Lisa: A third plane was taken over by terrorists. It crashed into the Pentagon in Washington DC. Our country is under attack….and I’m afraid that your plane may be part of their plan.
Todd: Oh dear God. Dear God…….Lisa, will you do something for me?
Lisa: I’ll try….if I can….Yes.
Todd: I want you to call my wife and my kids for me and tell them what’s happened. Promise me you’ll call..
Lisa: I promise – I’ll call.
Todd: Our home number is 201 353-1073…….You have the same name as my wife…Lisa….We’ve been married for 10 years. She’s pregnant with our 3rd child. Tell her that I love her…….(choking up)..I’ll always love her..(clearing throat) We have two boys.. David, he’s 3 and Andrew, he’s 1…..Tell them……(choking) tell them that their daddy loves them and that he is so proud of them. (clearing throat again) Our baby is due January 12th…..I saw an ultra sound…..it was great….we still don’t know if it’s a girl or a boy………Lisa?
Lisa: (barely able to speak) I’ll tell them, I promise Todd.
Todd: I’m going back to the group—if I can get back I will…
Lisa: Todd, leave this line open…are you still there?……
Lisa: (dials the phone..) Hello, FBI, my name is Lisa Jefferson, I’m a telephone supervisor for GTE. I need to report a terrorist hijacking of a United Airlines Flight 93….Yes I’ll hold.
Goodwin: Hello, this is Agent Goodwin.. I understand you have a hijacking situation?
Lisa: Yes sir, I’ve been talking with a passenger, a Todd Beamer, on Flight 93 who managed to get to an air phone unnoticed.
Goodwin: Where did this flight originate, and what was its destination?
Lisa: The flight left Newark New Jersey at 8 A.M. departing for San Francisco. The hijackers took over the plane shortly after takeoff, and several minutes later the plane changed course – it is now flying east.
Goodwin: Ms. Jefferson…I need to talk to someone aboard that plane. Can you get me thru to the planes phone?
Lisa: I still have that line open sir, I can patch you through on a conference call…hold a mo…..
Todd: Hello Lisa, Lisa are you there?
Lisa: Yes, I’m here. Todd, I made a call to the FBI, Agent Goodwin is on the line and will be talking to you as well.
Todd: The others all know that this isn’t your normal hijacking. Jeremy called his wife again on his cell phone. She told him more about the World Trade Center and all.
Goodwin: Hello Todd. This is Agent Goodwin with the FBI. We have been monitoring your flight. Your plane is on a course for Washington, DC. These terrorists sent two planes into the World Trade Center and one plane into the Pentagon. Our best guess is that they plan to fly your plane into either the White House or the United States Capital Building.
Todd: I understand…hold on……I’ll…….I’ll be back..
Lisa: Mr. Goodwin, how much time do they have before they get to Washington?
Goodwin: Not long ma’am. They changed course over Cleveland; they’re approaching Pittsburgh now. Washington may be twenty minutes away.
Todd: (breathing a little heavier) The plane seems to be changing directions just a little. It’s getting pretty rough up here. The plane is flying real erratic….We’re not going to make it out of here. Listen to me….I want you to hear this….I have talked with the others….we have decided we would not be pawns in these hijackers suicidal plot.
Lisa: Todd, what are you going to do?
Todd: We’ve hatched a plan. Four of us are going to rush the hijacker with the bomb. After we take him out, we’ll break into the ****pit. A stewardess is getting some boiling water to throw on the hijackers at the controls. We’ll get them….and we’ll take them out. Lisa, …..will you do one last thing for me?
Lisa: Yes…What is it?
Todd: Would you pray with me?
They pray: Our father which art in Heaven
Hallowed be thy name,
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
And forgive us our trespasses
As we forgive our trespassers,
And lead us not into temptation
But deliver us from evil
For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory
Forever…..Amen
The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want…
He makes me to lie down in green pastures
He leads me beside the still waters
He restores my soul
He leads me in paths of righteousness
for His name’s sake
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death
I will fear no evil, for thou art with me…..
Todd: (softer) God help me…Jesus help me….(clears throat and louder)
Are you guys ready?……..
Let’s Roll……………………

jah said:

I was in first grade and they definitely just told us as soon as it was happening and wheeled in the TV to show us. Not sure if that was good or bad.

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My daughters were in 1st and 3rd grade and all they were told was something bad happened and your parents will tell you about it when you get home. It was surreal
explanation that to a 6 and 8 year in way that they would understand what happened and still feel safe.

For me the thing I remember about the attacks isnt 9/11 at all. Its 9/12. There were no republicans or democrats no left or right just entire streets decked in American flags and a nation joined in shock and anger. There was a sense of being American and nothing but American where we helped people who needed help and everyone had one thought, one goal. We will find the motherf%#$ers that did this...and they will feel our fear before they are ended. I hate the 11th for everyone whose life was affected but I miss the 12th for that feeling of unity.

I admit... I've watched "The Scene" in Zero Dark 30 dozens of times.

Doesn't erase the memories but I feel better.

....and I still get a little misty when the names scroll during the SB36 U2 1/2 time show.

Actual Pats Fan said:

The post-911 Fourth Reich/War Of Terror dishonors and insults the victims, including those I loved

Our country's response is a missed opportunity to demonstrate that resentment and enmity toward us is misplaced.

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Yes it got off track.
Perhaps forgotten is that there was real ongoing fear in this country post 9-11 about dirty bombs, chemical or biological attacks in major cities. There had two be a response and the actions in Afghanistan in the first year were legitimate acts to prevent an even bigger more destructive post 9-11 attack. The US government had to deny a safe haven for Al Qaeda after 9-11
The whole Iraq war was a huge mistake....but to paint the initial Afghanistan actions by special ops as "dishonoring the victims" is pure BS.
It dishonors brave men and women who sought to deny Al Qaeda a forward operating base in 2001-2002. To paint all US actions as "The Fourth Reich" is ridiculous hyperbole

KontradictioN said:

For anyone who hasn’t seen it, the 9/11 documentary called “One Day in America” on NatGeo is exceptionally well done. Removes any political commentary and tells the story from the eyes of several survivors.

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Just watched a few episodes today. Great series, surprised I hadn’t heard of it before.

Actual Pats Fan said:

While appearing just despicable, that initial, instinctive reaction on the part of many including the Palestinians was the understandable result of endless subjugation and oppression of many various vulnerable and disadvantaged peoples by us forever, which continue to this day.

This feeling is that the big bully got torn down a bit, which I think may have been part of Bin Laden's intention. But of course, it's misplaced...practically none of the victims had anything to do with our government or foreign policy, and the attack just made everything worse for everybody.

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The "Big Bully" never intentionally targeted mass murder of innocent civilians (as far as I know). Yes many tragic mistakes have been made by the U.S. government over the years....but Bin Laden was pure evil in not distinguishing civilian non perpetrators from military.

Patsfanin Philly said:

Celebrations by Palestinians...

Netanyahu’s son recirculates footage of Palestinians celebrating 9/11 attacks

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The ones that Donald witnessed from his golden throne at 721 Fifth Ave.???

Never forget…

…to turn a well-intentioned thread about the 20-year anniversary of 9/11 into a partisan pissing contest.