Ramsey Recruting Gilmore to Rams

I'm not just saying this because it's happening to a player on my team but I really do not like the blatant recruiting and tampering allowed between players

50-yard-line said:

You do realize that the Pats have him under control this year - and next with a franchise tag - right?

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Sure, we have full control. When his agent is told that, he'll just say to call him back in October, in time to have the year count. And yes, he can make a choice to accept $17M to play in 2022 or not.

The Patriots playing the Bucs offense without Gilmore is gonna be...problematic.

VectorPrime said:

The Patriots playing the Bucs offense is gonna be...problematic.

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DropKickFlutie said:

You mean the year Malcolm made the All Pro list ??

2016 All Pro team shows why Hightower, Butler extensions are up next

The Patriots do a great job of retaining their top talent.

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Uh no, actually.

Malcolm Butler made the Pro Bowl in 2015, not 2016 when we won the Super Bowl.

carmelo15 said:

To the Rams credit nobody is giving a 1st for Gilmore

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Then you don’t trade him. They will get a 3rd just for letting him walk.

ChrisR2223 said:

I’m all about maximizing value and managing the cap.
I’m a huge proponent of a year too soon than a year or two too late.
Plus I wasn’t expecting a QB to be in our range without giving up a lot of resources.
If you would of traded him to a team like Atlanta fresh off his DPOY. The value would of never been higher.
I’m all about selling at its highest point.
He wasn’t going to ever be worth more.
If you throw in the fact we had a league lead in opt outs this should of been a let’s sell high now.
Now BB looked at this like Gilmore gives a me a better chance to win ok I can agree with this but if I didn’t have a cap friendly deal in the works with him getting into his 30s, I would of sold to the higest bidder and I thought Belichick was going to do as well.
I believe my exact wording was trading Gilmore right after he wins DPOY is the most Belichick think I can think of.

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I agree that Gilmore's trade value was maxed at the end of the 2019 season.

If traded to a contending team today, Gilmore is probably worth a late second rounder. If he walks in free agency, he is worth a 3rd round comp pick.

The question becomes, is one year of Gilmore-level play worth moving down from pick 58 - 64 to pick 100? In a trade, this would be the equivalent of roughly the 10th - 15th pick of the 3rd round (depending on which chart you use).

The question then boils down to trading the value of a 3rd round pick for one year of potentially elite CB play at a team-friendly cap number? Maybe a rebuilding team prefers the draft value, but a fringe contender takes the player. I don't consider the 2021 Patriots a serious contender for the AFC crown, but they are a playoff caliber team. Should this be one of those wonky years, the kind where Mahomes gets hurt or knocked out by a Cleveland or Baltimore, or Allen regresses back to his inaccurate ways, then the Patriots could find themselves right in the mix. Having the advantage of a lockdown corner, in this case, could be the difference between playing in the AFCC game and getting knocked out by Tennessee in round one again.

This is why I do not expect Gilmore to be traded, unless a suitable replacement be available. There have been rumors of talks between the team and Richard Sherman. If things were to play out right, Sherman is healthy and takes a team friendly deal, and the team gets an offer of a second from a middling contender like Arizona, then maybe Belichick decides the value is right.

mgteich said:

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I think BB will have a plan to slow them down at least. The bigger problem is Cam vs the same defense that held the Chiefs to 9 points. That’s just lol.

Ivan said:

Then you don’t trade him. They will get a 3rd just for letting him walk.

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He'll be a 10 year veteran after this season, so the best possible comp pick would be a 5th

Pape said:

Uh no, actually.

Malcolm Butler made the Pro Bowl in 2015, not 2016 when we won the Super Bowl.

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We can go into a circular debate here with Malcom-haters but the point is the Pats have elite CB play when they win rings. Malcolm was elite during this part of his career.

Here's a link showing he made 2nd team All Pro by PFF and also AP. One month before winning the 2016 Superbowl...

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Now Malcolm Butler was elite. What are we doing?

BaconGrundleCandy said:

Now Malcolm Butler was elite. What are we doing.

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Well, 1 play was elite.

DropKickFlutie said:

We can go into a circular debate here with Malcom-haters but the point is the Pats have elite CB play when they win rings. Malcolm was elite during this part of his career.

Here's a link showing he made 2nd team All Pro by PFF and also AP. One month before winning the 2016 Superbowl...

Three rookies, Matt Ryan among players named to All-Pro team

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I don't hate Malcolm Go... Dont think any New England fan ever would/could... the issue is you think he was an elite corner, which he wasn't. He was good... but he wasnt great... you think he played at an all pro level in 2016? yeah, neither do I

And I would also add in 2004, Ty Law was sidelined after 7 games, and never played in the post season...

So yes, the Patriots have won without a lockdown corner...

doesnt mean that I dont want one though...

The issue with Gilly is his age... 31 is where we usually start to see a drop off in play... Not sure tying up future cap money for him is a wise investment

Clonamery said:

Well, 1 play was elite.

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That was going to be my post. Like he was elite for 45 seconds. Really good player but never elite. Probably fringe top 8-12 at his peak.

Sciz said:

He'll be a 10 year veteran after this season, so the best possible comp pick would be a 5th

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Didn’t know that, thanks. I still wouldn’t trade him though. I don’t think this is a championship level team yet, but they need to learn how to compete like one, and that means playing their best week in and week out, especially against the best competition. I would try to extend him.

Pape said:

I don't hate Malcolm Go... Dont think any New England fan ever would/could... the issue is you think he was an elite corner, which he wasn't. He was good... but he wasnt great... you think he played at an all pro level in 2016? yeah, neither do I

And I would also add in 2004, Ty Law was sidelined after 7 games, and never played in the post season...

So yes, the Patriots have won without a lockdown corner...

doesnt mean that I dont want one though...

The issue with Gilly is his age... 31 is where we usually start to see a drop off in play... Not sure tying up future cap money for him is a wise investment

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Pats had a young Asante Samuel ready to step in for Law in 2004.

DropKickFlutie said:

Pats never won a ring without an elite CB1 on the roster. CB1 is one of the few spots you pay and it's worth it. Could extend Gilmore till he retires by using some $ savings by jettisoning Michel and Harry.

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Ty Law did miss the second half of the season and playoffs in 2004 and Tyrone Poole missed most of that year. They were playing Troy Brown and a rotating bunch of journeymen like Hank Poteat the second half of that year at CB. They did settle on Asante Samuel and Randall Gay by the playoffs and the Super Bowl, but Samuel wasn't an elite CB yet.

VectorPrime said:

Pats had a young Asante Samuel ready to step in for Law in 2004.

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Asante was not elite. End of story.

@A Defiant Goose not in 2004.

Rob0729 said:

Ty Law did miss the second half of the season and playoffs in 2004 and Tyrone Poole missed most of that year. They were playing Troy Brown and a rotating bunch of journeymen like Hank Poteat the second half of that year at CB. They did settle on Asante Samuel and Randall Gay by the playoffs and the Super Bowl, but Samuel wasn't an elite CB yet.

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Yes of course. We even won multiple Superbowls where our starting strong safety or free safety were knocked out of the game. But the point was more that we had an elite CB1 on the roster in years we won a ring. Bill's entire scheme is based on an elite CB1 taking out the opposing #2 entirely on their own. So I'm counting Malcolm in 2016 as elite yes, as evidenced by the fact he was an AP and PFF NFL All-Pro. And the other 5 rings had Law or Revis or Gilmore. The Pats D will fall apart if we don't extend Gilmore or have an immediate CB1 to replace him.

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Clonamery said:

Well, 1 play was elite.

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Because Browner knew what play was coming.