Bill Belichick to be featured in new VICE series Dark Side of Football

Koma said:

That clip has got to be edited to make it sound better in the trailer. The reason we know D’Qwell Jackson didn’t think the football felt soft is because Jackson publicly denied that shortly after the whole farce started. The show sounds shaky as is, and the impression that they’re trying to twist basic facts doesn’t help.

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Yep I remember very well. What a stupid ass hell that was.

30 seconds in, a Ben Volin sighting. I’m out.

Koma said:

30 seconds in, a Ben Volin sighting. I’m out.

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That’s what got me

Koma said:

30 seconds in, a Ben Volin sighting. I’m out.

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that's a pretty good sign right there that it's fake news.

So is this over?

Koma said:

30 seconds in, a Ben Volin sighting. I’m out.

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Even worse rob parker is in it.

Well it’s over. What happened?

Didn’t watch but I’ll check it out tomorrow. Reading on Twitter it sounded like the show was definitely making BB as a villain.

Lol

VectorPrime said:

Well it’s over. What happened?

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I went back and watched it, it was pretty much the wishy washy wannabe smear job most people expected. Not even really worth getting worked up about because it was so valueless. Basically the premise was "Belichick skirted the lines and pushed boundaries and he never got punished directly and the Patriots wouldn't fire him each time".

Put it this way, they never actually went over any facts of anything they critcized Bill on. The entire segment on deflategate spent as much time talking about the Colts player who intercepted the ball and was upset that he didn't get to keep his interception of Tom Brady as a trophy as they did talking about what happened. When they did talk about it, it was basically "they found out the balls were under the PSI, Bill gave a mean press conference where he didn't take responsibility, Brady somehow ended up getting punished and maybe was a shield for Bill, some people saying Bill "had" to know, and that any other team besides the Pats would have fired Bill (stupid)".

Dark Side of the Football is no Dark Side of the Ring. If you've listened to one Rob Parker segment, you've heard the low effort talk media nonsense.

Yeah that was disappointing. Thought it would be an insight into how Bill handled these scandals but the theme was basically Bill is an a-hole and a cheater. And Bill probably knew the Patriots were deflating footballs and the Patriots have no integrity because they didn't fire him and don't forget the Patriots snowplow game. .Didn't know Rick Sanchez and Rob Parker and Trollin were supposed to be experts on all things Belichick.

sb1 said:

Yeah that was disappointing. Thought it would be an insight into how Bill handled these scandals but the theme was basically Bill is an a-hole and a cheater. And Bill probably knew the Patriots were deflating footballs and the Patriots have no integrity because they didn't fire him and don't forget the Patriots snowplow game. .Didn't know Rick Sanchez and Rob Parker and Trollin were supposed to be experts on all things Belichick

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It’s Vice. Their entire publication is managed by skinny, white dweebs with purple or blue hair and septum piercings. There was no doubt whatsoever (at least for me) that it was going to be a low budget hatchet job.

sb1 said:

Yeah that was disappointing. Thought it would be an insight into how Bill handled these scandals but the theme was basically Bill is an a-hole and a cheater. And Bill probably knew the Patriots were deflating footballs and the Patriots have no integrity because they didn't fire him and don't forget the Patriots snowplow game. .Didn't know Rick Sanchez and Rob Parker and Trollin were supposed to be experts on all things Belichick.

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Did they really bring up the snowplow?

VectorPrime said:

Did they really bring up the snowplow?

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Not highlighted in particular but the whole thing was part of a story they were telling that the Pats organization puts winning above integrity. Also the Bengals taping incident was featured which the league found had zip to do with Bill. And the eligible receiver play that Harbaugh was whining about - that was cheating too. Or something.

Parker accused the Patriots organization of deliberately deflating footballs to make them softer for Brady. Yeah.

Also the reenactments were pretty goofy like Bill was some shadowy figure that would sneak around to break the rules. Making Bill out to be some callous a-hole even going all the way back to his decision to move on from Kosar.

They did say that the Colts back in the day were very paranoid about things like headsets jamming in Gillette Stadium but we probably already knew that.

A disappointment but I guess I shouldn't have been surprised. It was the one sided hatchet job that a lot of us were saying it would be on Bill and the Pats organization.

I remember when headset gate happened with the 2015 season opener and so real sports journalists asked opposing coaches over whether they had experienced uniquely strange issues in Foxboro regarding communication systems and they were all like “nope, weird stuff happens everywhere.”

Also I remember Jimmy Johnson and Colin Cowherd came out after Spygate and said “yeah we stole signals. Maybe we didn’t video tape from the field but lmao everyone is signal stealing and trying to decode them.” And the technology to record and decode in real time literally didn’t exist in 2007. It was used to study for the next game. Nowadays it’s technically possible and we all know baseball teams are doing it with computer programs analyzing video of the catcher in real time and then pumping out info to then relay somehow to players on the field. But that has nothing to do with football signals especially 15 years ago.

As an aside everyone always leaves out that QBs and everyone else literally weren’t allowed to mess with the balls at all before around 2006 I think when leading QBs like Brady and Manning and others changed the rule because they all like to scuff them up and shi.t ahead of time. And try and get as much past the ref inspectors as possible. Before the rule change the idea of deflategate wasn’t even possible.

that's funny!!! trollin volin is still pissed the pats got over on the dolphins and his boy shula in the snowplow game.....love it.

VectorPrime said:

I remember when headset gate happened with the 2015 season opener and so real sports journalists asked opposing coaches over whether they had experienced uniquely strange issues in Foxboro regarding communication systems and they were all like “nope, weird stuff happens everywhere.”

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An incident with the headsets that always sticks out to me is Jason Campbell saying that he experienced headset issues at FedEx field. He was the QB of the Redskins at the time, so was Washington trying to cheat themselves? Or do electronics sometimes fail, even under ideal conditions? Somehow, people get amnesia about all those other examples when a headset goes out at Gillette.

VectorPrime said:

As an aside everyone always leaves out that QBs and everyone else literally weren’t allowed to mess with the balls at all before around 2006 I think when leading QBs like Brady and Manning and others changed the rule because they all like to scuff them up and shi.t ahead of time. And try and get as much past the ref inspectors as possible. Before the rule change the idea of deflategate wasn’t even possible.

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The new football handling rules were definitely introduced in the 2006 season. Patriots haters like to claim that it was the 2007 season, because Brady had record setting numbers that year and it conveniently fits their narrative, but that was the second year they were in effect. Brady's numbers (completions, completions percentage, TDs, yards per attempt, etc) actually dipped from 2005 to '06, so it's not like having footballs prepped "his" way offered immediate improvement.