Wickersham Strikes: Belichick talked to Giants/Dolphins/Washington about coaching there in Brady standoff

Palm Beach Pats Fan · Apr 20, 2021

We never seem to know the duration or even the compensation for the contract that BB is on. I wouldn't dismiss it, if he contract were "up" at that time, but it seems unlikely that Kraft would ever allow his contract to get close to the end before getting a new one.

borg · Apr 20, 2021

So when did Bill start hiring every family member and paying them multiples compared to other coaches?
Devious SOB

Sicilian · Apr 20, 2021

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
Imagine if the report was: While still with the Patriots, Tom Brady talked to other teams about playing for them

Those teams would lose draft picks for tampering. Unless they were the Jets, then they'd get a sternly worded memo and a gift card to Applebee's.

Ring 6 · Apr 20, 2021

Ian said:
This isn't really breaking news. I remember there being similar speculation at the time that Bill was frustrated and was supposedly upset enough to explore other options and I believe I remember the Washington and Giants thing (not the Miami one). But again, it never turned into anything and well...here we are.

(UPDATE: Here was the thread on that: Tanguay: Belichick inquired about Washington job after JG trade)

At the same time, as much as we hate to admit it, Wickersham ended up being right about much of what he reported. We can talk about the things he may or may not have gotten right, but there were obviously more truths than mistruths, which I think surprised all of us.

I’m not sure where you found more truths than mistruths in wickershams stories but the crux of it, the belichick wanted to dump Brady and keep Jimmy was a complete fabrication.

Kontradiction · Apr 20, 2021

Ring 6 said:
If you listen to the interview he says he heard he spoke to those teams when they had openings but didn’t know if it was about him wanting the job. Bb is notorious for recommending coaches when there are openings and 2 of those teams hired his guys.

These calls were supposedly in 2017-2018. Both Judge and Flores didn’t get hired until 2020.

Ian · Apr 20, 2021

Ring 6 said:
I’m not sure where you found more truths than mistruths in wickershams stories but the crux of it, the belichick wanted to dump Brady and keep Jimmy was a complete fabrication.

Honestly, we still don't know whether that part was or it wasn't, but if you go through the list of things that came up in his article, as I said, there were far more things that turned out to be true than I think most of us expected.

Sam Bam Cunningham · Apr 20, 2021

The ironic thing is in this case...Kraft versus BB....Kraft was 1000% % right and BB was 1000% wrong

Ice_Ice_Brady · Apr 20, 2021

Here's the article. Quite a few things have been proven to be accurate; nothing has proven to be inaccurate.

For Kraft, Brady and Belichick, is this the beginning of the end?

Tom Brady, Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft are aiming for a sixth Lombardi trophy. But friction between the coach and star QB could put the future of a dynasty in doubt.

www.espn.com

Ice_Ice_Brady · Apr 20, 2021

Sam Bam Cunningham said:
The ironic thing is in this case...Kraft versus BB....Kraft was 1000% % right and BB was 1000% wrong

If this is accurate, Kraft's mistake was not moving on from Belichick in 2017. What's the difference between a GM acting against the team's best interest out of spite and a player not putting in effort on the field out of spite?

Ryan · Apr 20, 2021

When Brady left, it become somewhat clear that those reports from 2018 were mostly true. The Dynasty book confirms a lot of it too. I can believe he spoke to other teams to gauge interest should the "standoff" with Brady not go in his favor. It's just kind of a bummer to think the greatest dynasty in football had to come to that kind of an ending but I guess most things in life end up that way.

Ring 6 · Apr 20, 2021

KontradictioN said:
These calls were supposedly in 2017-2018. Both Judge and Flores didn’t get hired until 2020.

Flores was hired in 2019.
Miami hired a coach 2016.
The skins didn’t have an opening in 17-18 either.
As usual with this guys things don’t line up.

Ring 6 · Apr 20, 2021

Ian said:
Honestly, we still don't know whether that part was or it wasn't, but if you go through the list of things that came up in his article, as I said, there were far more things that turned out to be true than I think most of us expected.

We will have to agree to disagree.
I don’t know of any that were confirmed, just people are more apt to believe them now.
But we do know that John Lynch came out and said he asked belichick about Brady and was laughed at.
If one of the 2 people involved flat out says it didn’t happen I’m not uncertain that the “reporter” telling a story otherwise is wrong.

Ian · Apr 20, 2021

Ring 6 said:
We will have to agree to disagree.
I don’t know of any that were confirmed, just people are more apt to believe them now.
But we do know that John Lynch came out and said he asked belichick about Brady and was laughed at.
If one of the 2 people involved flat out says it didn’t happen I’m not uncertain that the “reporter” telling a story otherwise is wrong.

My point simply was, much of what he wrote ended up being true. If you're saying 100% of what he wrote was wrong, that's just not accurate. Time, and other facts that eventually emerged since then, have proven that there ended up being some truth to quite a few parts of that story.

TheBeers · Apr 20, 2021

Wicker-sham

Ian · Apr 20, 2021

Ring 6 said:
We will have to agree to disagree.
I don’t know of any that were confirmed, just people are more apt to believe them now.
But we do know that John Lynch came out and said he asked belichick about Brady and was laughed at.
If one of the 2 people involved flat out says it didn’t happen I’m not uncertain that the “reporter” telling a story otherwise is wrong.

Also - Belichick laughing at him likely happened because there was absolutely no way Brady was being dealt midseason. My assumption is the discussion between Kraft and Belichick centered on keeping Jimmy through the season and possibly parting with Brady after the season, and I'm guessing that didn't sit well. So whatever friction there might have been, that's my theory. Although, I'm probably more likely to be wrong since I'm just speculating.

Ras-IR Dowling · Apr 20, 2021

Time to move on.

Sam Bam Cunningham · Apr 20, 2021

Future GOAT

Ring 6 · Apr 20, 2021

Sam Bam Cunningham said:
The ironic thing is in this case...Kraft versus BB....Kraft was 1000% % right and BB was 1000% wrong

About what? What do you think they disagreed about?

Sam Bam Cunningham · Apr 20, 2021

Ring 6 said:
About what? What do you think they disagreed about?

Kraft was willing to keep Brady until he wanted to leave, BB wanted to move on next season?

Ring 6 · Apr 20, 2021

Ian said:
Also - Belichick laughing at him likely happened because there was absolutely no way Brady was being dealt midseason. My assumption is the discussion between Kraft and Belichick centered on keeping Jimmy through the season and possibly parting with Brady after the season, and I'm guessing that didn't sit well. So whatever friction there might have been, that's my theory. Although, I'm probably more likely to be wrong since I'm just speculating.

He said to lynch “trade the best QB in the nfl, do you think im crazy”?
Brady was still under contract and had shown no signs of breaking down.
Putting Brady in a position to be able to walk at 42 after a dime and injured year is very different than trying to dump him at 38 after winning a Sb.

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