Your Second Tier QB Thoughts --- {Poll Added}

mgteich · Mar 28, 2021

manxman2601 said:
Stidham had the tools. If I’m relying on someone to be a potential answer at QB, I think I need more than just tools. He’s fine to draft in the 4th and coach up and maybe he becomes something in a couple of years, but what he is not is an answer to the problem of who will be our QB for the next decade. He might become that answer, but there’s a LOT of projection in that.

Are any of these players any better an option than keeping Stidham as our #3?

Ross12 · Mar 28, 2021

manxman2601 said:
Mond - I think he can be a starter in the future but he looks a way off. He’s a one read only guy right now and there’s no certainty he can move beyond that.

Mills - Ugh. Throws some horrible balls and far too often for my liking. Some nice passes at times, but the bad ones are really bad. He seems to get confused by two receivers running the same routes at different levels and ends up throwing between them as though he’s not sure which one he’s throwing to. And twice, I saw him miss badly on simple uncovered screen passes. He’s an interception waiting to happen.

Mond - 3rd
Mills - 4th or worse.

@Ross12 Just coincidence that my post follow yours, it’s not a response to your post. It’s just that I’ve been watching Mills and Mond this afternoon.

Dang copycat!

manxman2601 · Mar 28, 2021

mgteich said:
Are any of these players any better an option than keeping Stidham as our #3?

Only in so far as we have an idea about Stidham which isn’t that promising and the other two are unknown. I’d probably go Mond-Stidham-Mills.

oldrover · Mar 28, 2021

zipster9 · Mar 28, 2021

What were the key skills that the 6th rounder, Tom Brady had in Michigan?

He was poised in the pocket, gone thru his rotation, get rid of the ball, and had leadership skills. He was not a runner, nor had a powerful arm.

So, who in the group of QBs (not just the top 3) that has those features?

manxman2601 · Mar 28, 2021

zipster9 said:
What were the key skills that the 6th rounder, Tom Brady had in Michigan?

He was poised in the pocket, gone thru his rotation, get rid of the ball, and had leadership skills. He was not a runner, nor had a powerful arm.

So, who in the group of QBs (not just the top 3) that has those features?

Mac Jones.

aluminum seats · Mar 28, 2021

Wax Frog said:
I've nothing to add to this conversation aside from extending my deepest thanks to you for serendipitously reminding me to bring my new FB avatar - upon which I had laboured most fervently - to this most delightful of forums!

Looking very intellectual with the monocle there mr frog

Ross12 · Mar 28, 2021

manxman2601 said:
Mac Jones.

I like Mac but not enough to trade a future 1st for him... if he’s there at 7 I would try to flip the 2nd and a 4th to Detroit for him. Maybe a little high for who he is, but at least you’re not mortgaging your future on him. If he sucks you can try again next year.

Ochmed Jones · Mar 28, 2021

Ross12 said:
I like Mac but not enough to trade a future 1st for him... if he’s there at 7 I would try to flip the 2nd and a 4th to Detroit for him. Maybe a little high for who he is, but at least you’re not mortgaging your future on him. If he sucks you can try again next year.

if you believe a qb is your guy, you trade whatever you need to trade to get him.

if you are worried about the price, then he is probably not a guy you should trade for!

zimmy · Mar 28, 2021

Despite the move towards mobile quarterbacks, I don't think the key requirements of a top level QB have changed: accuracy and decision making. I think Jones shows both. Yes there may be some scheme help and he had top quality weapons, but he also showed an ability to process quickly and make the right read. He also shows the ability to move around the pocket to buy time, far more than his critics would have you believe. Finally, he is apparently also intelligent, always in the playbook and his teammates gravitate to him.

He reminds me of Matt Ryan personally. I think of him as a Ryan in terms of ceiling and a Daniel Jones in terms of floor.

Ross12 · Mar 28, 2021

Ochmed Jones said:
if you believe a qb is your guy, you trade whatever you need to trade to get him.

if you are worried about the price, then he is probably not a guy you should trade for!

That’s too black and white. There’s a lot of room in between for “he is probably the guy, but I’m not 100% sure, so just in case he’s not, I want to be able to try again, and if he is, I can give him more to work with.”

manxman2601 · Mar 28, 2021

Ross12 said:
I like Mac but not enough to trade a future 1st for him... if he’s there at 7 I would try to flip the 2nd and a 4th to Detroit for him. Maybe a little high for who he is, but at least you’re not mortgaging your future on him. If he sucks you can try again next year.

A future first and a 2nd have similar values in the NFL I believe. I would do it because I think he’s a 10 year starter. The high upside might not be there but I was really impressed by what I saw.

VectorPrime · Mar 28, 2021

Ross12 said:
I like Mac but not enough to trade a future 1st for him... if he’s there at 7 I would try to flip the 2nd and a 4th to Detroit for him. Maybe a little high for who he is, but at least you’re not mortgaging your future on him. If he sucks you can try again next year.

The Jimmy Johnson value chart is junk. If you want to move from 15 to 7 and that team knows it’s for a QB it’s gonna take a lot more draft capital than that.

manxman2601 · Mar 28, 2021

Ross12 said:
That’s too black and white. There’s a lot of room in between for “he is probably the guy, but I’m not 100% sure, so just in case he’s not, I want to be able to try again, and if he is, I can give him more to work with.”

If you’re not 100% sure, you shouldn’t be taking him in the first round anyway. I’m with Ochmed on this. QBs are a breed apart. If you have the chance to get your QBoTF, you move heaven and earth to get him. Remember, he’d be on a relatively cheap contract so FA can provide the “more to work with”.

VectorPrime · Mar 28, 2021

God help us if we’re really looking at day 2 QBs.

Wax Frog · Mar 28, 2021

aluminum seats said:
Looking very intellectual with the monocle there mr frog

Thank you kind sir! <bows deeply> I recently made an English FB friend with whom I now have a running "posh" gag

It's also a fun way to keep my Illustrator skills polished.

Ivan · Mar 28, 2021

robertweathers said:
I don't see Darnold here.

I see either Jimmy or Mac Jones.

I an 99% sure it'll be one of those two on the roster come OTEs

I wouldn’t rule out Mariota, I think Belichick can cut a deal with Mayock and Gruden. So I guess I would say that Garrapolo, Mac Jones, and Mariota are the most likely to end up in NE.

Ross12 · Mar 28, 2021

It just occurred to me that Chris Simms talking about SF wanting Mac may also be a bluff. SF says “pay a 1st for Jimmy”, Bill says nah I’ll just draft Mac, SF “leaks” that they traded up for Mac so he won’t be there for Bill to take.

RobertWeathers · Mar 28, 2021

VectorPrime said:
The Jimmy Johnson value chart is junk. If you want to move from 15 to 7 and that team knows it’s for a QB it’s gonna take a lot more draft capital than that.

Yep.

The Rich Hill one is closer to reality.

Ross12 · Mar 28, 2021

manxman2601 said:
If you’re not 100% sure, you shouldn’t be taking him in the first round anyway. I’m with Ochmed on this. QBs are a breed apart. If you have the chance to get your QBoTF, you move heaven and earth to get him. Remember, he’d be on a relatively cheap contract so FA can provide the “more to work with”.

I hear you guys. If it took a future 1st I wouldn’t be disgusted. I just think of it as a matter of risk. Maybe Mac is your guy and you’re 100% sure, but he tears his ACL a few games in like Burrow did and your 1st the next year is top 5. But now you don’t have that pick. I would rather trade a known value if I can.

Your Second Tier QB Thoughts --- {Poll Added}

If the Pats can't get a top-5 QB, who do you want?

Davis Mills

Kellen Mond

Jamie Newman

Kyle Trask

other: Ian Book, KJ Costello, Sam Ehlinger, Feleipe Franks, etc.

none of the above; wait until 2022 to draft a QB

none of the above; go with a vet (Cam, Jimmy G, Alex Smith, etc.)

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