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Here some interesting takes by Riddick going Pats GM a bit:

long distance said:

Here some interesting takes by Riddick going Pats GM a bit:

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Is there more Pats specific stuff in the entire podcast than this ?

Don't get me wrong but this is incredibly unspecific and just goes with the "pissed off BB" narrative that seems to be dumb to me. It is insulting because it implies that there were times where he -- and the rest of the staff -- didn't give it their best shot which is all just outcome-based stupidity.

I agree that most likely nobody at the organization was happy with how the season went but that doesn't mean that coaches and players didn't give their best shot at the time. There is no guarantee that "pissed off BB" -- or anyone for that matter -- will lead to any better results than last year.

I was hoping for something more substantial from Riddick, who is considered another GM in waiting by many.

luuked said:

Is there more Pats specific stuff in the entire podcast than this ?

Don't get me wrong but this is incredibly unspecific and just goes with the "pissed off BB" narrative that seems to be dumb to me. It is insulting because it implies that there were times where he -- and the rest of the staff -- didn't give it their best shot which is all just outcome-based stupidity.

I agree that most likely nobody at the organization was happy with how the season went but that doesn't mean that coaches and players didn't give their best shot at the time. There is no guarantee that "pissed off BB" -- or anyone for that matter -- will lead to any better results than last year.

I was hoping for something more substantial from Riddick, who is considered another GM in waiting by many.

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Didn't post this for the sound bite but the whole pod.
Probably not as specific as you'd want but lots of interesting things imo if one has time..
f.e. you can see the difference how the league sees draft prospects spec. QB to draftnicks..
Philosophically you'd be interested in his argument on athletic vs pocket QBs . for one the game is still about 3rd/4th downs, 2 min, 4th Q and red zone where windows for throws & QB runs get smaller..

long distance said:

Didn't post this for the sound bite but the whole pod.
Probably not as specific as you'd want but lots of interesting things imo if one has time..
f.e. you can see the difference how the league sees draft prospects spec. QB to draftnicks..
Philosophically you'd be interested in his argument on athletic vs pocket QBs . for one the game is still about 3rd/4th downs, 2 min, 4th Q and red zone where windows for throws & QB runs get smaller..

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Sounds Lombardi-esque and worth a listen then. Cheers

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My case for the top FA to sign on defense: Giants NT Dalvin Tomlinson

Since Gilmore, Jackson & Jones were the primary CB trio in mid-2018 against the Vikings the pats pass defense has been the best in the NFL. Despite having a poor front 7 & a much harder schedule they still finished top 5 in TDs allowed, 1st in INTs & top 10 in passer rating allowed. Specifically, their pass defense on 3rd down was as impressive as 2019:



Getting to 3rd & long was the problem. When the DL was winning on early downs the defense' upside showed (holding the Chiefs to 19 in Arrowhead, shutting down the Cards, Herbert's worst game as a pro). The flip side was Russell Wilson's target practice on 3rd & short & losing up front in both games vs the Bills. Letting the Bills have 5+ ypc on the ground is game over with that level of talent in the passing game.

With Beau Allen on IR the pats NT most of the season was either sub 300 LB Byron Cowart or journeyman Carl Davis. You could argue it was the team's most outmatched position on gameday moreso than QB, WR & TE. Most of the top defenses with 3-4 personnel feature a top level DT in the middle whether that's Kenny Clark with the Packers, Vita Vea with the Bucs or the Steelers duo inside.

Dalvin Tomlinson:

• 27 year old FA
• 6'3 318 LBs
• 3 down player (28 pressures at NT)
• elite run defender

Sounds to me he's a high character talented player entering his prime. The Giants have cap problems & may need to focus on Williams regardless.

Adding a quality NT along with the return of Hightower would go a ways towards the defense returning to a more consistent level of play.

The fact is this year in NFL free agency, while there are a lot of options. This isn't one that truly is a game changer. There is no prime Revis, Sherman or Gilmore. No Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. While guys like Von Miller and JJ Watt are available, they aren't in their primes anymore. Barrett is good, but he isn't that caliber of guy.

This free agency has a lot of very interesting guys, but no corner stone type players. I think that should affect how you look at it. If a team signs a guy like Godwin for example in hopes he can be their super star #1 they will be regretting it years later. Sam thing for Dak. If you pay him near Rodgers/Wilson money he will keep you relevant but you will be stuck in the middle until he goes. As much as the Patriots might want to or we might want them to, this isn't the year to break the bank. This is the year to load up on solid players and keep some cap room for next year. Hopefully you manage to find a QB in the draft or one in FA whose super cheap but servicable and you can try to get the peices to really put you over the top next year. They currently have 69M free.

Here is what I'd do.

For our own players...

Sign Andrews 4yr/28M 6, 7, 7, 8
Sign White 3/13M 4, 4, 5
Sign Jackson 3/30M 9, 10, 11
Sign McCourty 2/11M 5, 6
Sign Guy 2/9M 5, 4

For other FA

Sign Jon Feliciano 3/22M (G) 7 7, 8
Sign K.J Wright 3/18M (LB) 5, 6, 7
Sign Cameron Brate 3/16M (TE) 5, 5, 6
Sign Hassen Reddick 2/16M (Edge) 7. 9

As for WRs, just sign whoever you feel can be low priced and reliable, unless you can get Allen Robinson. He's the only guy truly worth going after for big money in this market. I also don't sign an expensive QB as there is no franchise option.

Reddick is a bit of a risk so you make sure you can cut bait cheaply after year 1. This would cost you 53M of your 69M or so. Add a cheap/drafted QB and WRs and you will be at about 60M. Carry that last 9M over to give you a better chance next year. These contracts should give you good flexibility to get ride of or keep anyone you don't want after this for the most part.

After thinking about it didn't like signing Thuney. Paying top money for OL (particularly one who isn't an OT isn't a good idea). In that spot it's all about being cost effective, having depth and no weak link to attack. Paying Thuney 14/15M just doesn't make sense. He isn't even the best guard in the NFL. Feliciano is good and can be had for a far better price.

In the draft ideally you get/trade up for a good QB. Then you take a WR who is the WR you were NOT going to take. Draft a DL and call it a day.

patsinthesnow said:

My case for the top FA to sign on defense: Giants NT Dalvin Tomlinson

Since Gilmore, Jackson & Jones were the primary CB trio in mid-2018 against the Vikings the pats pass defense has been the best in the NFL. Despite having a poor front 7 & a much harder schedule they still finished top 5 in TDs allowed, 1st in INTs & top 10 in passer rating allowed. Specifically, their pass defense on 3rd down was as impressive as 2019:



Getting to 3rd & long was the problem. When the DL was winning on early downs the defense' upside showed (holding the Chiefs to 19 in Arrowhead, shutting down the Cards, Herbert's worst game as a pro). The flip side was Russell Wilson's target practice on 3rd & short & losing up front in both games vs the Bills. Letting the Bills have 5+ ypc on the ground is game over with that level of talent in the passing game.

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Yes! Re-watching the games, I can't remember a single stop when the other team ran on third-and-short or fourth down, with the exception of a goal line stop against Arizona (and that, to be honest, was a call that might have been overturned if the cameras had had a clearer view). If they can find a credible NT and Hightower comes back, they will be in much better shape.

BobDigital said:

The fact is this year in NFL free agency, while there are a lot of options. This isn't one that truly is a game changer. There is no prime Revis, Sherman or Gilmore. No Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. While guys like Von Miller and JJ Watt are available, they aren't in their primes anymore. Barrett is good, but he isn't that caliber of guy.

This free agency has a lot of very interesting guys, but no corner stone type players. I think that should affect how you look at it. If a team signs a guy like Godwin for example in hopes he can be their super star #1 they will be regretting it years later. Sam thing for Dak. If you pay him near Rodgers/Wilson money he will keep you relevant but you will be stuck in the middle until he goes. As much as the Patriots might want to or we might want them to, this isn't the year to break the bank. This is the year to load up on solid players and keep some cap room for next year. Hopefully you manage to find a QB in the draft or one in FA whose super cheap but servicable and you can try to get the peices to really put you over the top next year. They currently have 69M free.

Here is what I'd do.

For our own players...

Sign Andrews 4yr/28M 6, 7, 7, 8
Sign White 3/13M 4, 4, 5
Sign Jackson 3/30M 9, 10, 11
Sign McCourty 2/11M 5, 6
Sign Guy 2/9M 5, 4

For other FA

Sign Jon Feliciano 3/22M (G) 7 7, 8
Sign K.J Wright 3/18M (LB) 5, 6, 7
Sign Cameron Brate 3/16M (TE) 5, 5, 6
Sign Hassen Reddick 2/16M (Edge) 7. 9

As for WRs, just sign whoever you feel can be low priced and reliable, unless you can get Allen Robinson. He's the only guy truly worth going after for big money in this market. I also don't sign an expensive QB as there is no franchise option.

Reddick is a bit of a risk so you make sure you can cut bait cheaply after year 1. This would cost you 53M of your 69M or so. Add a cheap/drafted QB and WRs and you will be at about 60M. Carry that last 9M over to give you a better chance next year. These contracts should give you good flexibility to get ride of or keep anyone you don't want after this for the most part.

After thinking about it didn't like signing Thuney. Paying top money for OL (particularly one who isn't an OT isn't a good idea). In that spot it's all about being cost effective, having depth and no weak link to attack. Paying Thuney 14/15M just doesn't make sense. He isn't even the best guard in the NFL. Feliciano is good and can be had for a far better price.

In the draft ideally you get/trade up for a good QB. Then you take a WR who is the WR you were NOT going to take. Draft a DL and call it a day.

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No on White and McCourtey, both good, important, long time Patriots but prefer to run Michel and Harris. If Taylor can help, fine but I would rather see backs that are more run/pass threats. They will find another back somewhere or Burkhead may return (for awhile). Never been as big a McCourtey fan as some. Would really like to keep Thuney but it's probably best to draft another tackle and move Onwenu inside. I like K.J.Wright but he's 31. There are several decent LB's that are going to be free agents and would like to see what they would cost. GB releasing Kirksey, Brown from Titans, Judon, Ravens. Would like Brate and Reddick.

One-If-By-Sea said:

I agree except for Myles Bryant. In the last game against the JETEs I thought he was awful. Maybe a bad game. We will see. Seems to short and slow.

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I’m thinking it was a bad game. Coaches sometimes stretch players out to see what their true capabilities are. Bryant will likely never be an All-Pro, but I think he has a chance to be a valuable contributor like, say, Duron Harmon, for many years.

I like Dalvin Tomlinson and Leonard Williams. Both are more a fit for a 3-4 base defense, but I have fond memories of NE running a 3-4 defense with Warren, Wilfork, and Seymour. If they can get Barmore early, he is a 3-down player. If not, then a true NT like Tyler Shelvin would go a long way towards stopping the run.

@long distance:. I got nothing earth-shattering to add. Just wanted to thank you for this thread. This is the kind of stuff we need.
Btw- Has anyone got any new info on Beau Allen?

UptownPatsFan said:

Agreed. I’ve always liked Zuber & was a proponent of him getting touches not only in space, but via the route tree as well. Definitely possesses an element that we could use going forward.

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They probably thought why bother because Cam didn’t have the arm strength to get the ball to him outside the numbers or down the field anyway. Hopefully, Stidham and Dolegala got him some good looks in practice.

udfa priorities
QB
Brady Davis - lots of arm talent- strength, placement & accuracy pop every game. Mobility & toughness - both mentally & physically. Battled back from multiple knee injuries, somewhat highly touted coming out of HS. Ended up at Illinois St after a short stint with Memphis. Definitely not a straight line to where he's at today. I could see him going round 4-5 or udfa







Colin Hill - 24 yo right about when the league starts up. Knees are probably shot. He's got an arm, tough as **** and shown some leadership throughout his time in college - some teammates & coaches really loved him, willing to stand in the pocket, taking plenty of hits, injuries... I've seen him take brutal hits and pop right up. Long shot, possible back up bc of everything he's been dealing with. If healthy, few things go a different way and he's a day two prospect. He can keep the trains running on time, moving the offense and can spin it if need be.



Shane Buechele - Man I love me some Buechele. Small, physical traits don't stand out and definitely don't overwhelm you. Such a gamer though not afraid of the moment. Love the way he operates for the most part - everything is quick. He knows what's going on and where he's going. Does have a decent arm though. Again not special but its got just enough live action. Nice deep passes. Can move the chains, operate your offense but he can move. He's mobile. He can buy time, scramble but also take off for yards. He's elusive for a QB.




TE - some guys stand out as udfa and some years you never know who'll end up there. Most years are like that lol. Anyway here's a few that could end up udfa TE.

Miller Forristall , Nick Eubanks - anyone that's ever watched them play has come away impressed with effort, toughness, willingness to jump in and do the dirty work in the run game. Both know their role and are quick to initiate contact.

Noah Gray - I've been on a "let's turn smaller TE into versatile FB that can hurt you in the pass game" lately and I think Gray fits that mold if he can hold up as a blocker. He's a really decent, somewhat versatile rec threat. You can use him in the flat, seam/down field a bit off PA/misdirection. He took some reps as a FB at the SR Bowl I believe. Could have an uphill battle as full time anything TE. Could be a nice little project.

LB Tuf Borland liability in the pass game. Offers next to nothing but he'll gladly accept CTE in order to play in the league. Good football IQ, awareness and tough as hell. Undersized at like 6 230 but he'll try to take on anyone. Situation project prospect

Amen Ogbongbemiga smart, said that a few times about a few guys but he's quick to ID what's going on. Don't see a lot of guessing. ST ability. Potential 3 down player. Plays a little bigger than his size 6'1 235. From Texas, moved to Canada before ending back down south. Really like him as a gamble late\udfa.

Riley Cole will be added to my list soon. He's a PTP. Quick, physical and finish. Can chase and run, stack and shed. Really like his potential as a second level defender. Has worked hard getting his body where it is. Came in light. He's a worker.

WR - there will be a ton of talent that end up udfa. A ton. Guys like Dax Milne, Tamm Terry, Jhamon Ausbon, Whop Philyor could all go round 3 or 7 or end up udfa. It's a such a deep class. With other positions of need no doubt some "names" could end up there.

I really like Whop Philyor. He's a tough cover, tough all-around player with return/slot skills. Really nice hand/eye coordination. YAC. Catches through contact. Can stretch the field a bit. Route savvy, knows how to manipulate the space around him. Use leverage. Love his attitude.

Terry has been known to get into with coaches. Attitude and off the field bs. He's 6'4 215 and can absolutely fly. I'm not in love with him but the talent and potential is there.

Dax Milne was Wilson go-to guy, favorite target. Former walk-on. Like Philyor he has + concentration and hand/eye coordination. + tracking ability for a little guy. Did a lot of work outside but should be slot next level, mostly I'd assumed. Very familiar and comfortable working back to the ball. Creating off Wilson's off-script stuff.

OL - James Hudson - anyone who's watched him sees the nasty demeanour and play style. Got him in trouble in his last game I believe. Tough tackle with strong hands/grip. Good movements, looks the part there. Plays a little high at times. Interesting prospect.

Sadarius Hutcherson - love his attitude and demeanour on the field. Played both G spots and LT. At times he flashes everything in all areas at times. + Motor & drive.

Tommy Kraemer - power pig RG with potential in certain systems. Bully type that survived in pass pro. I doubt he goes udfa but would be a priority bc of his versatility in the run game.


CB
DiCaprio Bootle - wasn't recruited heavily at all. Under the radar. Tough physically and mentally, + awareness vs pass/run and had his hands on a lot passes the past two years.

Marco Wilson - athletic CB with inside/outside versatility if he gets his **** together. Smooth mover but again he's a Florida boy. Needs a wake up call. Late-udfa could do it. I'll probably have a draftable grade on him but I could see a fall.

Shemar Jean Charles - been on my board for months but overvalued him a bit. Again another guy that could go anywhere from mid-udfa but that's the draft. One of the leaders from that defense. So many big plays that don't show up in terms of just being in the right place to prevent a big play. You can see the football IQ and awareness. Really in tune every play. Has some length. Not afraid to make a play. Lots of confidence and attitude.


RB
Gerrid Doaks - bull type of runner with soft feet. Runs hard!

CJ Marable - good power, some elusivness and rec ability. Good vision in close quarters, on tough short yard runs.

Caleb Huntley - throwback type. Could be a nice short yardage back. Patient let's the big guys work then he's making it work himself. Decent contact balance and ability to roll off halfass tackles.

DL - Shaka Toney is explosive at times. Can turn a corner and takes an extremely efficient path to the QB but he's like 6'2 230? Where are you playing next year, few months after the draft? If you have a spot, a plan and some weight to throw around then take him middle/late but I could see him falling in a good rush class. Pass rush specialist with potential off-the ball upside? Again lots of fun and some traits but size is a real factor here.

Jack Heflin - underachiever from Iowa with some position versatility at 6'4 310 if it clicks. Practice squad project.

Phil Hoskins - is a long shot. Just getting back to himself after a knee injury in 2019. Some academic issues. Big boy with some size and length. Actual considered going back for a 7th!!! year but college kicked him out. Another project with upside to move around if works out in any way. Legit udfa type. Flashed on a talented defense. His teammate Bohanna is another to keep an eye on. 6'4 350+.


Tarron Johnson - bigger end with good hands. Can shoot through gaps, hold up at poa. Maybe some upside rushing inside next level. Could go anywhere from mid-late but anything is possible. He's someone to know though. Decent prospect for sure.

Jordan Scott is someone else who could go mid-udfa. Strict run stuffer, 0/1 tech. Like Davis or Slaton he's one dimensional and not effecting the pass game.

S
Darrick Forrest - SS/Rover/LB versatility. That defense and secondary was fun and physical. Forrest is a decent little project - second level/MOF defender, he's everywhere at times. Seems like a worker on & off the field.

Tyree Gillespie - love his potential versatility next level. He'll be mostly a box defender but he's an athlete also. Physical, plays big and has np taking on bigger backs. I'd be surprised but not shocked if he goes udfa. He's be a priority though.

Aashari Crosswalk - knack for big plays since HS. Plays eyes but doesn't sell out. FS potential, on the smaller side. Not sure he's a single high guy but I like his style and would be a decent look if he goes udfa.


I know these guys are being linked to us but I've been on these guys for a minute now. Ask @long distance

Leonard Williams - 4/80 45 guareented. Consistent run defender with a little versatility. He's not a 10 sack guy but again very consistent and offers some versatility.

Shelby Harris - you should remember him from this past year. Offers pass rush and can play the run. + motor. He's be an upgrade over both Butler & Guy imo. 3/35 13 guareented

Matt Milano - should be here. Loved him coming out, had a 4th on him. Sure his run defense and tackling are inconsistent but he can actually cover RB/TE and there's only like 5 LB that can do that. Great in coverage. Local kid with great upbringing. Loves football. I would go 4/48 23 guaranteed

Haason Reddick - KVN role. Leave him on the line. Let him chase and cut off angles to the sidelines. Knife. Attack the QB. 2/13 type deal.

Curtis Samuel - Samuel has been underutilized since day one. It's not hard though. He's a nice slot option that can get down field and handle 2-3 carries a game. 3/27 17 guaranteed

I'd take back Guy or Butler on the cheap. If Watt or Hendrickson are available I'd pay for them in a second. Either one, Williams, Harris and Guy/Butler would be a huge upgrade. Add a one dimensional run stuffer through the draft and our DL & LB group is set if HT is back.
Sub could be fun. Didn't come out as expected. Basically Watt on the edge (where i want him for the most part) lined 6-7 tech. Harris & Williams inside at 3T and 4i. 2 of Wino, Reddick, Uche or HT as rushers. Milano, Dugger Wino or HT second level.
Watt Williams Harris
Reddick Wino
Milano HT
JC JJ Dugger Gilly

BaconGrundleCandy said:

udfa priorities
QB
Brady Davis - lots of arm talent- strength, placement & accuracy pop every game. Mobility & toughness - both mentally & physically. Battled back from multiple knee injuries, somewhat highly touted coming out of HS. Ended up at Illinois St after a short stint with Memphis. Definitely not a straight line to where he's at today. I could see him going round 4-5 or udfa







Colin Hill - 24 yo right about when the league starts up. Knees are probably shot. He's got an arm, tough as **** and shown some leadership throughout his time in college - some teammates & coaches really loved him, willing to stand in the pocket, taking plenty of hits, injuries... I've seen him take brutal hits and pop right up. Long shot, possible back up bc of everything he's been dealing with. If healthy, few things go a different way and he's a day two prospect. He can keep the trains running on time, moving the offense and can spin it if need be.



Shane Buechele - Man I love me some Buechele. Small, physical traits don't stand out and definitely don't overwhelm you. Such a gamer though not afraid of the moment. Love the way he operates for the most part - everything is quick. He knows what's going on and where he's going. Does have a decent arm though. Again not special but its got just enough live action. Nice deep passes. Can move the chains, operate your offense but he can move. He's mobile. He can buy time, scramble but also take off for yards. He's elusive for a QB.




TE - some guys stand out as udfa and some years you never know who'll end up there. Most years are like that lol. Anyway here's a few that could end up udfa TE.

Miller Forristall , Nick Eubanks - anyone that's ever watched them play has come away impressed with effort, toughness, willingness to jump in and do the dirty work in the run game. Both know their role and are quick to initiate contact.

https://twitter.com/timeoop/status/1338727050128060417?s=19

Noah Gray - I've been on a "let's turn smaller TE into versatile FB that can hurt you in the pass game" lately and I think Gray fits that mold if he can hold up as a blocker. He's a really decent, somewhat versatile rec threat. You can use him in the flat, seam/down field a bit off PA/misdirection. He took some reps as a FB at the SR Bowl I believe. Could have an uphill battle as full time anything TE. Could be a nice little project.

https://twitter.com/DevyDeepDive/status/1309144245270441984?s=19

LB Tuf Borland liability in the pass game. Offers next to nothing but he'll gladly accept CTE in order to play in the league. Good football IQ, awareness and tough as hell. Undersized at like 6 230 but he'll try to take on anyone. Situation project prospect

Amen Ogbongbemiga smart, said that a few times about a few guys but he's quick to ID what's going on. Don't see a lot of guessing. ST ability. Potential 3 down player. Plays a little bigger than his size 6'1 235. From Texas, moved to Canada before ending back down south. Really like him as a gamble late\udfa.

Riley Cole will be added to my list soon. He's a PTP. Quick, physical and finish. Can chase and run, stack and shed. Really like his potential as a second level defender. Has worked hard getting his body where it is. Came in light. He's a worker.

WR - there will be a ton of talent that end up udfa. A ton. Guys like Dax Milne, Tamm Terry, Jhamon Ausbon, Whop Philyor could all go round 3 or 7 or end up udfa. It's a such a deep class. With other positions of need no doubt some "names" could end up there.

I really like Whop Philyor. He's a tough cover, tough all-around player with return/slot skills. Really nice hand/eye coordination. YAC. Catches through contact. Can stretch the field a bit. Route savvy, knows how to manipulate the space around him. Use leverage. Love his attitude.

https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/status/1329936346849357824?s=19

Terry has been known to get into with coaches. Attitude and off the field bs. He's 6'4 215 and can absolutely fly. I'm not in love with him but the talent and potential is there.

Dax Milne was Wilson go-to guy, favorite target. Former walk-on. Like Philyor he has + concentration and hand/eye coordination. + tracking ability for a little guy. Did a lot of work outside but should be slot next level, mostly I'd assumed. Very familiar and comfortable working back to the ball. Creating off Wilson's off-script stuff.

OL - James Hudson - anyone who's watched him sees the nasty demeanour and play style. Got him in trouble in his last game I believe. Tough tackle with strong hands/grip. Good movements, looks the part there. Plays a little high at times. Interesting prospect.

Sadarius Hutcherson - love his attitude and demeanour on the field. Played both G spots and LT. At times he flashes everything in all areas at times. + Motor & drive.

Tommy Kraemer - power pig RG with potential in certain systems. Bully type that survived in pass pro. I doubt he goes udfa but would be a priority bc of his versatility in the run game.


CB
DiCaprio Bootle - wasn't recruited heavily at all. Under the radar. Tough physically and mentally, + awareness vs pass/run and had his hands on a lot passes the past two years.

Marco Wilson - athletic CB with inside/outside versatility if he gets his **** together. Smooth mover but again he's a Florida boy. Needs a wake up call. Late-udfa could do it. I'll probably have a draftable grade on him but I could see a fall.

Shemar Jean Charles - been on my board for months but overvalued him a bit. Again another guy that could go anywhere from mid-udfa but that's the draft. One of the leaders from that defense. So many big plays that don't show up in terms of just being in the right place to prevent a big play. You can see the football IQ and awareness. Really in tune every play. Has some length. Not afraid to make a play. Lots of confidence and attitude.


RB
Gerrid Doaks - bull type of runner with soft feet. Runs hard!

CJ Marable - good power, some elusivness and rec ability. Good vision in close quarters, on tough short yard runs.

Caleb Huntley - throwback type. Could be a nice short yardage back. Patient let's the big guys work then he's making it work himself. Decent contact balance and ability to roll off halfass tackles.

DL - Shaka Toney is explosive at times. Can turn a corner and takes an extremely efficient path to the QB but he's like 6'2 230? Where are you playing next year, few months after the draft? If you have a spot, a plan and some weight to throw around then take him middle/late but I could see him falling in a good rush class. Pass rush specialist with potential off-the ball upside? Again lots of fun and some traits but size is a real factor here.

Jack Heflin - underachiever from Iowa with some position versatility at 6'4 310 if it clicks. Practice squad project.

Phil Hoskins - is a long shot. Just getting back to himself after a knee injury in 2019. Some academic issues. Big boy with some size and length. Actual considered going back for a 7th!!! year but college kicked him out. Another project with upside to move around if works out in any way. Legit udfa type. Flashed on a talented defense. His teammate Bohanna is another to keep an eye on. 6'4 350+.


Tarron Johnson - bigger end with good hands. Can shoot through gaps, hold up at poa. Maybe some upside rushing inside next level. Could go anywhere from mid-late but anything is possible. He's someone to know though. Decent prospect for sure.

Jordan Scott is someone else who could go mid-udfa. Strict run stuffer, 0/1 tech. Like Davis or Slaton he's one dimensional and not effecting the pass game.

S
Darrick Forrest - SS/Rover/LB versatility. That defense and secondary was fun and physical. Forrest is a decent little project - second level/MOF defender, he's everywhere at times. Seems like a worker on & off the field.

Tyree Gillespie - love his potential versatility next level. He'll be mostly a box defender but he's an athlete also. Physical, plays big and has np taking on bigger backs. I'd be surprised but not shocked if he goes udfa. He's be a priority though.

Aashari Crosswalk - knack for big plays since HS. Plays eyes but doesn't sell out. FS potential, on the smaller side. Not sure he's a single high guy but I like his style and would be a decent look if he goes udfa.


I know these guys are being linked to us but I've been on these guys for a minute now. Ask @long distance

Leonard Williams - 4/80 45 guareented. Consistent run defender with a little versatility. He's not a 10 sack guy but again very consistent and offers some versatility.

Shelby Harris - you should remember him from this past year. Offers pass rush and can play the run. + motor. He's be an upgrade over both Butler & Guy imo. 3/35 13 guareented

Matt Milano - should be here. Loved him coming out, had a 4th on him. Sure his run defense and tackling are inconsistent but he can actually cover RB/TE and there's only like 5 LB that can do that. Great in coverage. Local kid with great upbringing. Loves football. I would go 4/48 23 guaranteed

Haason Reddick - KVN role. Leave him on the line. Let him chase and cut off angles to the sidelines. Knife. Attack the QB. 2/13 type deal.

Curtis Samuel - Samuel has been underutilized since day one. It's not hard though. He's a nice slot option that can get down field and handle 2-3 carries a game. 3/27 17 guaranteed

I'd take back Guy or Butler on the cheap. If Watt or Hendrickson are available I'd pay for them in a second. Either one, Williams, Harris and Guy/Butler would be a huge upgrade. Add a one dimensional run stuffer through the draft and our DL & LB group is set if HT is back.

Sub could be fun
Watt Williams Harris
Reddick Wino
Milano HT
JC JJ Dugger Gilly

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Thanks @BaconGrundleCandy !

Lot to unload here
I will continue slowly, step by step, position by position and will include this info accordingly. Also info from your board when its updated.
Feel free any time to add missing pieces.

cheers

micronin127 said:

I like Dalvin Tomlinson and Leonard Williams. Both are more a fit for a 3-4 base defense, but I have fond memories of NE running a 3-4 defense with Warren, Wilfork, and Seymour. If they can get Barmore early, he is a 3-down player. If not, then a true NT like Tyler Shelvin would go a long way towards stopping the run.

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I would love him here, said it few times in other threads, i am a big Shelvin fan. I wouldn't mind some of the other mentioned names here as well, Tomlinson, Williams, Harris, Rankins and Wolfe for DE above average run defender
Edit: my early down run defense would be favorite sth like this.
Wolfe-Guy-NT-Jennings
Uche-Hightower- Dugger as Hybrid LB
The reasons are:
We need a better run stop at DE/0-tech. Our last year DE/Edge was not stout early down, neither our NT position. I think resigning Guy would be nice since he looks dominating against single blocks. A two gap NT next to him and our second level would be more clean. I like Jennings, needs more discipline to play his Gap. Wolfe would be a huge DE run defense upgrade. I think with HT back and a more stout D-Line we can use Uche on early down LB role. He has great sideline to sideline speed, way more than any other LB we have and can tackle in space where other LB like Bentley had some struggles. He won't take on O-Linemen like maybe the 250+ pounds LB we use normally but i think that we should be good here. Also he can cover better.
Wolfe is estimated to cost 7 M. apy (by pff).
I don't choose an IDL here as an example cause i wouldn't mind to draft one either.
I also would resign Butler for third down interior pressure. If we signs elsewhere we badly need to get a replacement. Can't rely just on the speed rushers like uche and Wino.

jimnance said:

Btw- Has anyone got any new info on Beau Allen?

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I think our last update was November 2, when Belichick said he wouldn't play this season after a setback in practice. We know that he initially got hurt during conditioning workouts at the beginning of training camp (there are pictures of him participating in at least two days before he got hurt) and that he was in a walking boot, but that's really about it. I'm guessing the next we'll hear of him is either a release or pay cut sometime in about a month. Turning 30 next season and coming off a season with 0 games played, he's the perfect example of a guy who's going to struggle to get more than minimum salary with the reduced cap this offseason.

Sciz said:

I think our last update was November 2, when Belichick said he wouldn't play this season after a setback in practice. We know that he initially got hurt during conditioning workouts at the beginning of training camp (there are pictures of him participating in at least two days before he got hurt) and that he was in a walking boot, but that's really about it. I'm guessing the next we'll hear of him is either a release or pay cut sometime in about a month. Turning 30 next season and coming off a season with 0 game played, he's the perfect example of a guy who's going to struggle to get more than minimum salary with the reduced cap this offseason.

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Thx,Sciz, pretty much what I thought. But if hes reasonably healthy, a big if I know...
but he was a decent nt bdfore he got hurt

I fully expect bb to feast at the buffet of released players and much less at the end of contract free agents,

long distance said:

QB POOL


NE ROSTER

4Stidham (25, 2022, $0.8), 8Dolegala (24,futures)


FREE AGENTS top market: 40M-apy 2021 proj. FT=24M

Prescott, 28, DAL [40]— FT 37.7
Fitzpatrick, 39, MIA [PFF:1/10] —
Winston, 27, NO [7-10; PFF:1/5] — NO, CHI —
Newton, 32, NE — [PFF:1/5]
T.Taylor, 31, LAC — [PFF:2/10]
Dalton, 34, DAL [7, PFF:2/10] —
Brissett, 29, IND — [PFF:2/14]
Trubisky, 27, CHI — [8; PFF:2/15]
Mullens, 26, SF —
K.Allen, 25, WAS —
Sudfeld, 28, PHI —
Bortles, 30, DEN —
Glennon, 32, JAX — [PFF:1/1.5]
B.Allen, 29, CIN —
CJ Beathard, 28, SF — [PFF:2/6]
Griffin, 32, TB —
Shaub, 40, ATL —
McCarron, 31, HOU —
Flacco, 36, NYJ — [PFF:1/2]
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Heinicke, 28, WAS — RFA — WAS 2y/8.8M


TRADE OPTIONS/CUTS

Stafford, 33, DET — $20+$23 — LAR, IND, SF, WAS, CAR — LAR : Goff, '21 3rd, ’22 1st, ’23 1st
Goff, 27, LAR —> DET
Wentz, 29, PHI (25.4,22,25,26) — IND, CHI — trade to IND ’21 3rd ’22 2nd(1st)
[Watson, 26, HOU (10.5,35,37,32,32) (no-trade)
[Carr, 30, LV (19.5, 19.8)
[Cousins, 33, MIN (21,35) — SF,
[Garoppolo, 29, SF (25, 25) (no-trade) [2-round+]
[Ryan, 36, ATL (23, 23.5, 28 )
[Bridgewater, 29, CAR (17/10, 20) — possible cut —
[Mariota, 28, LV (11.4) [5-round] — NE, WAS?,
[Darnold, 24, NYJ (4.8) (5y.opt=25Mfgtd) [2rd] — WAS, CAR, SF
[Minshew, 25, JAX (1) [late round]
[A.Smith, 37, WAS (18.8,20.8/14.7) — possible cut/retire —


DRAFT

QB *Trevor Lawrence #16 Clemson (6’6-213-10“) - 1
QB Zach Wilson #1 BYU (6’3-210) - 1
QB *Justin Fields #1 Ohio State (6'3-228) - 1
QB Trey Lance # N Dakota St (6’3-220) - 1/2
QB Mac Jones #10 Alabama (6’25-217) - 1/2
QB Kyle Trask #11 Florida (6’5-240) - D2/3
QB *Davis Mills #15 Stanford (6’4-212) - D2/3
QB Jamie Newman # Wake (6’25-235-30”) - D3
QB Kellen Mond #11 Texas A&M (6’25-205) - D3

INTERESTING POSSIBLE UDFA

QB Brady Davis #1 Illinois St (6’3-210)
QB Shane Buechele #7 SMU (6'1-207)
QB Sam Ehlinger #11 Texas (6’1-222)
QB Feleipe Franks # Arkansas (6’6-234)
QB Ian Book 12# ND (6’0-210)



[8; PFF:2/15] = projected apy contract (2021 cap hit 20-40% lower) - projections are not mine..
(6.9,6.3,6.3) = cap hits of remaining contract yrs. black is guaranteed, grey not gtd
FT = Franchise Tag

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This is discussed all over the board so just a few notes:

- While best QB options for Pats might not look so rosy (by media & fans) BB will be in the front seat re drafting Mac Jones. He will be the only one that will get clear picture on most important asset a QB has - his mind. The annual deep dive with Saban will put him in comfortable position to pull the trigger on Jones or not.

- No matter what media wants you to believe, Bill will not panic. If he cant get good QB early in FA he'll keep the window open for later and move on with best he can get. He will focus more on other strengths of the team - building another top D, maintaining top ST, top OL that opens run, play action.. and building real depth so injuries etc are less costly. As Riddick said in that pod - you can still win in NFL with average QB & he took that from BB's page. Complementary football, The Art of War - there's more to football than QB.

- One option that is not discussed a lot is Matt Ryan. Its a long shot but not out of realm so lets see: Atlanta is at #4 and is not likely to be close to that high again if they go with Ryan. He will be 36 when the league starts. While deeper, next years QB class doesn't look to have the quality of this years at the top. They almost have to go QB if they think about near future. Ryan's contract can't really be traded before June1 but a trade after gives ATL 23M cap space and likely better trade value than next year. NE can afford to take this salary and move on without dead cap whenever they want after that. So if they miss on all QBs they would be comfortable with in March, BB might be interested even if they draft one to give rookie time to develop/learn system while being fully competitive immediately.

- If they miss on their QB in March i think they will keep enough cap to be in best position if opportunity arrives later in the year.

- If they dont like QB at #15 - another option might be trading into next year to best position themselves for top QB prospects in 2022 if they like some. I don't think thats how BB plays the game - but just for theories sake - one of best options would be trading #15 to NO for their next yr first - if its true they see some Brees in Mac Jones. Most likely they will start the season as big underdogs in their division so it might turn into high 1st round pick. Detroit is of course another good bet.

- By all accounts Stidham is no longer considered a potential starter in NE. The question to possibly address this offseason is: Is Stidham a viable backup option for NE going forward?


Re. top QB draft prospects i recommend a listen to one of the very best - Greg Cosell: