Belichick criticism mega-thread

Biffins said:

Why didn't we go all out WITH Brady rather than without him?

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The Patriots did get away from their balance of short-term vs long term philosophy when their QB was 39, 40, 41 and 42 years old.

Ironically fans and media for several years prior when he was 34-35 were complaining about the Pats not going all at that time, with the oft repeated refrain that the window was closing and Brady only had one or two good years left.

TommyBrady12 said:

3. Not giving Brady any say in coaching the offense

Brady's decision to leave came down to the team (Belichick) not having faith in him in his ability to play at a high level for a few more years and not letting coach the offense (playcalling). I think Brady saw the confidence that was given to other QBs in the league, especially Manning in Denver who basically ran their offense, and wanted the same treatment.

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Manning wanted the Broncos the run the Manning offense and the accommodated. Pats already run/ran the Brady offense. Brady just wanted some legit weapons to throw to.

jmt57 said:

The Patriots did get away from their balance of short-term vs long term philosophy when their QB was 39, 40, 41 and 42 years old.

Ironically fans and media for several years prior when he was 34-35 were complaining about the Pats not going all at that time, with the oft repeated refrain that the window was closing and Brady only had one or two good years left.

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No they didn’t go all in. Which offensive weapons did they go out and get Togo “all in?” Gordon? Please, a cheap reclamation project. Which tight end did the go out and get when Bennet Left? AB? Again, please. He was an in-season roll of the dice when he shot his way out of Oakland and the Pats cheap preseason free agents all failed.

jmt57 said:

The Patriots did get away from their balance of short-term vs long term philosophy when their QB was 39, 40, 41 and 42 years old.

Ironically fans and media for several years prior when he was 34-35 were complaining about the Pats not going all at that time, with the oft repeated refrain that the window was closing and Brady only had one or two good years left.

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Their philosophy changed because their drafts started to suck. We saw the same problem after the first string of championships. When you're drafting like crap, you're forced to pay more via free agency, to sign players you might otherwise have moved on from for cheaper alternatives, and to make trades that cost draft picks.

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Deus Irae said:

Their philosophy changed because their drafts started to suck. We saw the same problem after the first string of championships. When you're drafting like crap, you're forced to pay more via free agency, to sign players you might otherwise have moved on from for cheaper alternatives, and to make trades that cost draft picks.

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I agree but they were still committed to winning and pushed the cap hits down the road. I'm not a cap expert so am not sure how much longer they could have played that game.

And Brady kept winning and is still freaking winning. Unbelievable.

So I think it was a combination of factors. Brady continuing to play at an elite level and at an unprecedented age. Poor drafts forcing BB to dedicate cap space differently. And picking last in the draft seemingly every year. I guess those stolen draft picks should be included.

One thing I'm curious about is if the Harry pick had worked out or if AB hadn't gotten himself ousted, would TB still be here? They were one game away from having home field advantage. Could've played out much differently.

Tony2046 said:

I agree but they were still committed to winning and pushed the cap hits down the road. I'm not a cap expert so am not sure how much longer they could have played that game.

And Brady kept winning and is still freaking winning. Unbelievable.

So I think it was a combination of factors. Brady continuing to play at an elite level and at an unprecedented age. Poor drafts forcing BB to dedicate cap space differently. And picking last in the draft seemingly every year. I guess those stolen draft picks should be included.

One thing I'm curious about is if the Harry pick had worked out or if AB hadn't gotten himself ousted, would TB still be here? They were one game away from having home field advantage. Could've played out much differently.

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I'm not trying to change your mind with this point, but it's one that tends to get overlooked:

BB screwed the pooch about the cap, too, by only giving Brady the 1 year extensions. Had he given Brady a longer term deal in 2019, the cap hit in 2020 would not have had more than $10 million dollars being paid out for Brady not to play in New England.

203Pat said:

Lol Brady might as well claim his National championship ring if we're getting this stupid.

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Why would Brady get a National Championship ring? The metric in that graphic is Super Bowl wins -- Belichick has coached on 8 teams that have won a Super Bowl; Brady has played on 7 teams that have won a Super Bowl. There is nothing "stupid" about it -- it's merely an objective statistic.

Biffins said:

So BB went from saying we shouldn't pay too much and we mortgaged our future................ to now being uncharacteristically aggressive? Why? Because Brady won a SB without him? Why didn't we go all out WITH Brady rather than without him?

Report: Patriots Planning for 'Extremely' Aggressive Offseason​

Report: Patriots Planning for 'Extremely' Aggressive Offseason

This could be the intense offseason rebuild Patriots fans have been long expecting.

www.si.com

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When did Belichick say, "we shouldn't pay too much"?

When did Belichick not go all-in with Brady?

Can you point to one time in recent years when the team didn't spend to the cap?

Are you unaware of the acquisitions they made over the last 20 years to sustain their success?

Moss, Welker, Amendola, Gilmore, Revis, Browner, Vrabel, Talib, Van Noy, Sheard, Develin, Ninkovich, Lewis, Harrison, Ayers, Hicks, Branch . . . to name a few. All of these are players acquired via trade or free-agency, and they all played pivotal roles in sustaining the success of the team over the past 20 years.

You act as if Belichick never attempted to assemble a winning team around Brady, and that he never made a strong push to sign marquee free-agents or trade for premium players.

That narrative is simply false.

skinnydog said:

No they didn’t go all in. Which offensive weapons did they go out and get Togo “all in?” Gordon? Please, a cheap reclamation project. Which tight end did the go out and get when Bennet Left? AB? Again, please. He was an in-season roll of the dice when he shot his way out of Oakland and the Pats cheap preseason free agents all failed.

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Can you point to one time in recent years when the team didn't spend to the cap?

You act as if Belichick never attempted to assemble a winning team around Brady, and that he never made a strong push to sign marquee free-agents or trade for premium players. That narrative is simply false.

Is your definition of "all-in" really "all-in on offense"?

A few names that were acquired via free-agency or trade: Gilmore, Sheard, Branch, Hicks, Develin, Ninkovich, Lewis, Revis, Browner, Talib, Amendola, Van Noy . . . and if you want to look further back, Moss and Welker may ring a bell.

Can you indicate which personnel moves you would have made over the past 3-6 years that would have been your version of going "all-in", that still would've accommodated the cap ceiling?

Honestly, I am at a point where if I were Kraft I would told Bill last offseason that his futur would be tied to Brady. If he leaves, you leaves because Bill has maybe 3-5 year max.

Maybe he can built a team to win one more maybe he can’t but I think he isn’t the only one who can do it.

the moment Brady left, I kinda wanted something new. Something different, a new approach, a new view.

dreighver said:

Can you point to one time in recent years when the team didn't spend to the cap?

You act as if Belichick never attempted to assemble a winning team around Brady, and that he never made a strong push to sign marquee free-agents or trade for premium players. That narrative is simply false.

Is your definition of "all-in" really "all-in on offense"?

A few names that were acquired via free-agency or trade: Gilmore, Sheard, Branch, Hicks, Develin, Ninkovich, Lewis, Revis, Browner, Talib, Amendola, Van Noy . . . and if you want to look further back, Moss and Welker may ring a bell.

Can you indicate which personnel moves you would have made over the past 3-6 years that would have been your version of going "all-in", that still would've accommodated the cap ceiling?

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They never went all in. Bill did the same exact same thing the last 20 years. He didn’t change his approach the last 5 years to give super pieces to Brady. He simply messed up the draft and that forced him to go to the veteran route to fill the holes created by the poor drafting.

Biffins said:

Ben Volin says it's been a bad few weeks for Belichick I D.A. on CBS​

Ben says Belichick was along for the ride in New England and now has to prove that he can win.

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Damn, not Ben Volin??? Now my mind is completely changed, fire his ass right now.

Biffins said:

So BB went from saying we shouldn't pay too much and we mortgaged our future................ to now being uncharacteristically aggressive? Why? Because Brady won a SB without him? Why didn't we go all out WITH Brady rather than without him?

Report: Patriots Planning for 'Extremely' Aggressive Offseason​

Report: Patriots Planning for 'Extremely' Aggressive Offseason

This could be the intense offseason rebuild Patriots fans have been long expecting.

www.si.com

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Any sources Tom Curran had at Gilette left when Brady did

Biffins said:

Ben says Belichick was along for the ride in New England

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Explain SB36, SB39, SB51(2nd half) & SB53

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The PFF author is indeed stating a fact, but a little context would help - unless he believes that expectations for the #1 overall pick are equal to that of Mr. Irrelevant.

Overall draft slot of those receivers:
32
210
112
225
244
59
102
235
90
83
232

Harry and Dobson are the obvious whiffs, but at the time were highly rated by nearly all draftniks. Mitchell was productive pre-injury. Price and Tate were mid-round busts from more than a decade ago; not sure how relevant that is to the current state of the team.

Nearly half of those players were selected with a draft pick in the 200's. The writer may as well also list players initially signed as undrafted rookie free agents in order to make his point.

JMC00 said:

Explain SB36, SB39, SB51(2nd half) & SB53

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Don't bother. He was on a drunken rampage last night, 4:00 am his time.

Happy to see all this condensed now into one thread. LOL

jmt57 said:

The PFF author is indeed stating a fact, but a little context would help - unless he believes that expectations for the #1 overall pick are equal to that of Mr. Irrelevant.

Overall draft slot of those receivers:
32
210
112
225
244
59
102
235
90
83
232

Harry and Dobson are the obvious whiffs, but at the time were highly rated by nearly all draftniks. Mitchell was productive pre-injury. Price and Tate were mid-round busts from more than a decade ago; not sure how relevant that is to the current state of the team.

Nearly half of those players were selected with a draft pick in the 200's. The writer may as well also list players initially signed as undrafted rookie free agents in order to make his point.

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It also ignores an instance like Malcolm Mitchell. Who came on in the 2nd half of his rookie year, stepped up in the SB (5 rec for 63 yards in the 4th quarter, 4 of them were for 1st downs) but just a freak thing in a pre-season game and his career was over.

Also Braxton Berrios had 400 yards receiving this year with the jest. He got cut because Pats kept Meyers & Olszewski which was most likely the correct decision. Meyers after not being used in the first 6 games had about 750 yards with Newton as is QB and Olszewski had the 2nd best punt return avg in a season since like the 50s & 60s.

I mean where is the praise for finding Meyers? If you extrapolate what he did over 11 games this season , over 16. He was roughly a 85 rec. 1100 receiver. Here were the only 1100+ yard WRs this year Diggs, Hopkins, Jefferson, Adams, Ridley, Metcalf, Hill, Robinson, Moore, Cooks, McLaurin, Cooper, Anderson, Brown and 85 rec would have been 2 more than Metcalf and 2 fewer than Hill.