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So fans wanted Belichick to randomly break the bank and screw the salary cap so he could keep a 40+ year old qb who has been showing signs of decline for like four straight years?

Is that what all the crying is about?

Everything was trending down after 2016. Yards, TD, QBR, completion %, etc. The only thing trending up was his age. And Belichick being a historian of the game likely realized all indicators are pointing to the end. Yet fans wanted him to just toss out a $25m+ per year contract that would have screwed the franchise had that trend continued. Just because... Brady said he's okay?

It's so easy to GM in hindsight, but I guarantee if Brady stuck around and declined even further (which was a very real possibility due to the complete lack of receiving options), fans would be calling for BB's head for getting us into cap hell.

Unless of course people here are on crack and think the 2020 Pats would have won the Super Bowl with Brady?


Everything you said was true 2010-2013 as well. And BB and lots of other said his career was over, especially after he got benched.

And yet he's won FOUR MORE frickin superbowls, went to 5, and became NFL MVP, after that 2010-2013 decline, which forced BB to get Jimmy G.

So whatever man. Seen that story before.
 
Really? You think the guy who reworked his contract a hundred times over his career suddenly started obsessing over money?

At age 41 with hundreds of millions banked, he's going to leave everything he built in Boston because of a contract dispute. Got it.

Has nothing to do with generally being disgruntled. BB just had to offer him a 2 year, $50m contract. Problem solved.

People on this forum seem to know more about the team than the team itself. Impressive

Brady never got to the final year of his contract before. The first time he did, we lost him

BB the GM fcked up bad.
 
The inability of Kraft to offer Brady a real contract for several years with a great salary and a handshake that when Brady parts ways he does so in a patriot Uniform is astonishing.

I dont care how good of an Owner, coach or GM is in this leauge. This wasnt Montana getting replaced by Young (There wasn't even a tangible heir apparent this season). This is the winningest QB ever. He made the franchise.

You cant lose a few seasons and rebuild around Tom for one last rally?

Can the pats fans here that defend letting him go for a rebuild offer up any remorse?

Brady retiring in a Pats jersey in a few years should have been worth more than a hasty rebuild now! Instead your star player walks and wins a superbowl.

Honestly I think Brady thought he could win a superbowl this year.

BB and Myself both thought he was full of ****..

The difference is I'm not his head coach or his general manager... Glad I didnt get paid to hand over a super bowl to another team.

Tampa would have never won without brady.

Ironic BBs greatest downfall is also his greatest asset... Ego built those defenses and willed many victories... However in the end it diminished his legacy... He lost the fun part of football and sport... And became a tyrant.

Mark my words.. BB will never win another afc championship.

Its going to be an ugly few years... Would have rather weathered it with BB and Brady.
 
Bill is the GOAT... With that said, if he cannot field a winning team by end of 2022 season and the arrow is not pointing up, it COULD be time. Not because he isnt the goat. Even winning cultures can tire and not work anymore. However, its been one season. People here need to chill.

Wish people would focus more on this.

Bill could have been every bit as great and impactful as his biggest fans have said, and yet this can still be true.
 
Like with spygate, benching Butler and throwing away a Super Bowl would have gotten any other coach fired.

The idea that trash like Richards, BadMostly, Rowe and Chung out of position and getting stuck with hilarious mismatches vs Eagles offensive linemen vs the run was a better "football decision" than your best tackling corner vs an RPO offense is asinine. Max Lane vs Reggie White looks like a genius decision compared to that. Bill must think we're idiots to buy that nonsense.

Coaches who make the Super Bowl are never fired, ever, regardless of the outcome (barring a personal issue that comes up independent of football).
 
It actually started against the Jets. They uncharacteristically ran the ball a lot in the 1st half and even on 3rd downs. Only in the 2nd half when the game was in reach they started throwing. You’d think they’d just take care of the pathetic Jets, then lock up HFA throughout and rest everybody week 17. Nope.

Michael Lombardi said they did this on purpose as they didn’t want to risk any more injuries and they weren’t afraid to go back to Denver. If that was the case, why even play your starters? Their arrogance came back to haunt them in the AFCCG.
The line had barely any starters left.

Not sure what people wanted the to do.

The coin toss idiocy was the killer
 
Interesting (though not surprising) poll results we have thus far, especially for Option #1.


View results: If Belichick was fired, how many teams would want to hire him?

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  • This poll will close: Mar 12, 2021.
 
The inability of Kraft to offer Brady a real contract for several years with a great salary and a handshake that when Brady parts ways he does so in a patriot Uniform is astonishing.

I dont care how good of an Owner, coach or GM is in this leauge. This wasnt Montana getting replaced by Young (There wasn't even a tangible heir apparent this season). This is the winningest QB ever. He made the franchise.

You cant lose a few seasons and rebuild around Tom for one last rally?

Can the pats fans here that defend letting him go for a rebuild offer up any remorse?

Brady retiring in a Pats jersey in a few years should have been worth more than a hasty rebuild now! Instead your star player walks and wins a superbowl.

Honestly I think Brady thought he could win a superbowl this year.

BB and Myself both thought he was full of ****..

The difference is I'm not his head coach or his general manager... Glad I didnt get paid to hand over a super bowl to another team.

Tampa would have never won without brady.

Ironic BBs greatest downfall is also his greatest asset... Ego built those defenses and willed many victories... However in the end it diminished his legacy... He lost the fun part of football and sport... And became a tyrant.

Mark my words.. BB will never win another afc championship.

Its going to be an ugly few years... Would have rather weathered it with BB and Brady.

And we could have weathered it with Brady. It was easily doable. What a waste. All this drama
for nought.
 
Interesting (though not surprising) poll results we have thus far, especially for Option #1.


View results: If Belichick was fired, how many teams would want to hire him?

  • Total voters 54
  • This poll will close: Mar 12, 2021.
Whoa, if I would've known the voters were going to get exposed, I would've used my other double secret account handle.
 
I find it interesting that a certain group on this forum want to scrutinize every Belichick decision of the last twenty years (with the benefit of hindsight, of course), without doing the same to the person they are comparing to BB. Apparently the six Lombardis are all thanks strictly to TB12 and nobody else on any of those teams, while the other 14 seasons are all on the coach and GM. (Also, the 369 turnovers never happened, or were all somebody else's fault.)

Wake up.

Brady elevated Belichick.
Belichick elevated Brady.

The only ones that seem to want to make this into a binary question are sports talk radio hosts with limited knowledge of the game or true contacts, but with a PhD on how to get fans riled up and instigate a contrived controversy. Unfortunately too many gullible fans are buying into that noise.
One of the best theories that I've seen here is this;
Together BB and TB won 6 SBs. Separately they'd win 2 each.

There's an old thread around here from a few years ago that asked who's more responsible for the Pats success, Bill, Tom or Bob. I'd put it at this;
Tom 65% (I believe in players over coaches and 2020 has been the best example)
Bill 35%
Bob 0% (All he does is sign the checks and the money comes from the fans)
 
Interesting (though not surprising) poll results we have thus far, especially for Option #1.


View results: If Belichick was fired, how many teams would want to hire him?

  • Total voters 54
  • This poll will close: Mar 12, 2021.
I didn't know that I could vote for multiple choices so I changed.
 
One of the best theories that I've seen here is this;
Together BB and TB won 6 SBs. Separately they'd win 2 each.

There's an old thread around here from a few years ago that asked who's more responsible for the Pats success, Bill, Tom or Bob. I'd put it at this;
Tom 65% (I believe in players over coaches and 2020 has been the best example)
Bill 35%
Bob 0% (All he does is sign the checks and the money comes from the fans)
Pretty good theory but you can make the argument that without Brady Bill was on his way to being fired in 2001. Could he of won 2 on another team? Would he of even gotten the chance to coach again with his reputation? On the other side of it would Brady of even played anywhere without Bill? Keeping a 4th QB in 2000 and then keeping Tom in instead of his starter and winning the SB is legendary stuff.
 
Everything you said was true 2010-2013 as well. And BB and lots of other said his career was over, especially after he got benched.

And yet he's won FOUR MORE frickin superbowls, went to 5, and became NFL MVP, after that 2010-2013 decline, which forced BB to get Jimmy G.

So whatever man. Seen that story before.
The truly weird thing about this so-called 2010-2013 decline is that those were Brady's and the offense's best years statistically. He won an MVP in those years. The offense put up a ridiculous amount of points, one of the most prolific offenses in history. In particular 2012. Gronk, Hernandez, Welker, gave Brady an incredible amount of options.

Something to think about: the 2010-2012 offense was the most prolific offense in NFL history. Scored a ton more points over 3 years than anyone else. And if you watch video from back then, you'll see Hernandez, Welker and Gronk catching balls in wide opens spaces. NFL defenses were built to defend flyers on the boundaries, and here were Patriots deploying two stud TEs and a shifty WR into space. You'll also notice that Gronk was moving with more speed and burst than he was just a few years later.
 
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Pretty good theory but you can make the argument that without Brady Bill was on his way to being fired in 2001. Could he of won 2 on another team? Would he of even gotten the chance to coach again with his reputation? On the other side of it would Brady of even played anywhere without Bill? Keeping a 4th QB in 2000 and then keeping Tom in instead of his starter and winning the SB is legendary stuff.
He wasn't getting fired, BB and RK had a five year plan, don't know why this keeps getting repeated.
 
He wasn't getting fired, BB and RK had a five year plan, don't know why this keeps getting repeated.
You're right, every coach with a 5 year plan lasted that long. Gruden has a 10 year plan and I'm sure he'll last that long....
 
You're right, every coach with a 5 year plan lasted that long. Gruden has a 10 year plan and I'm sure he'll last that long....
BBs 1st deal was for 5 years and $2m per. I don't think he would have been fired for a missing the playoffs in 01 but he absolutely would have been on the hot-seat in 02.
 
The truly weird thing about this so-called 2010-2013 decline is that those were Brady's and the offense's best years statistically. He won an MVP in those years. The offense put up a ridiculous amount of points, one of the most prolific offenses in history. In particular 2012. Gronk, Hernandez, Welker, gave Brady an incredible amount of options.

Something to think about: the 2010-2012 offense was the most prolific offense in NFL history. Scored a ton more points over 3 years than anyone else. And if you watch video from back then, you'll see Hernandez, Welker and Gronk catching balls in wide opens spaces. NFL defenses were built to defend flyers on the boundaries, and here were Patriots deploying two stud TEs and a shifty WR into space. You'll also notice that Gronk was moving with more speed and burst than he was just a few years later.

Exactly. 2013 only looked like a decline relative to the stratospheric highs of 2010-2012. With NFL MVP in 2011. Similarly 2019 only looked like a decline relative to the amazing 2016-2018 with NFL MVP in 2017 and statistically an even better 12 game 2016.

Obviously every year can’t be NFL MVP type season. And if you come down from that level it doesn’t mean you’re in decline.

At this point you I wouldn’t be surprised if Bradu is NFL MVP next year
 
The truly weird thing about this so-called 2010-2013 decline is that those were Brady's and the offense's best years statistically. He won an MVP in those years. The offense put up a ridiculous amount of points, one of the most prolific offenses in history. In particular 2012. Gronk, Hernandez, Welker, gave Brady an incredible amount of options.

Something to think about: the 2010-2012 offense was the most prolific offense in NFL history. Scored a ton more points over 3 years than anyone else. And if you watch video from back then, you'll see Hernandez, Welker and Gronk catching balls in wide opens spaces. NFL defenses were built to defend flyers on the boundaries, and here were Patriots deploying two stud TEs and a shifty WR into space. You'll also notice that Gronk was moving with more speed and burst than he was just a few years later.
Fans, including fans who are passionate enough to post on message boards, tend to look for the easy answers, particularly when the easy answers absolve their team. In 2013, while some of us here were talking about how it was the crappy receivers that were leading to Brady's apparent decline, most here were thinking it was Brady in decline. And, to be fair, it's very likely that BB thought the same thing (which was obviously a bad read on his part).

Fans (and BB too, apparently) love to point to Brady's 2007 season as the greatest season for a QB in history, and they have no problem pointing to the greatness of the weapons that year, but they dismiss that when it goes in the opposite direction. Brady throwing to Stiffy McCantplay in 2013 and 2019 gets downplayed, and Brady tossing the ball into the ground or stands because CantBlock Forshit got burned yet again gets ignored.

And it doesn't help that fans are now sure that they can read plays, and know what "open" means when it comes to play on the field. To far too many, "open" means that someone came free at any part of their route, not when the QB was at that stage of his read. The guy who was the first read, and didn't come open until second 3, when the QB has already moved on to his third read, is pointed to as open, and the QB throwing the ball away, or trying to make a tough fit to that third read is somehow made out to be the wrong play.
 
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