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So fans wanted Belichick to randomly break the bank and screw the salary cap so he could keep a 40+ year old qb who has been showing signs of decline for like four straight years?

Is that what all the crying is about?

Everything was trending down after 2016. Yards, TD, QBR, completion %, etc. The only thing trending up was his age. And Belichick being a historian of the game likely realized all indicators are pointing to the end. Yet fans wanted him to just toss out a $25m+ per year contract that would have screwed the franchise had that trend continued. Just because... Brady said he's okay?

It's so easy to GM in hindsight, but I guarantee if Brady stuck around and declined even further (which was a very real possibility due to the complete lack of receiving options), fans would be calling for BB's head for getting us into cap hell.

Unless of course people here are on crack and think the 2020 Pats would have won the Super Bowl with Brady?
What do you think the going rate for a franchise QB is? The Pats were never breaking the bank with Tom. 2 yrs for $50m. That’s all it would have taken, not $35m+ per yr like other top QBs.

Bill was wrong. He ****ed Brady around with 1 yr prove it deals and now Tom is winning SBs with another franchise and Bills throwing out a Cam led offence that looked like 1920’s football.
 
General impression by whom? Skip Bayless? Nick Wright? Felger? Fauria? Mary from Topeka, KS?

You and Biffins are so caught up in what the world thinks and their outside assessment of Dynasty 1, Dynasty 2, BB, TB12, etc it's crazy.

WHO CARES?

The only perceptions I care about and give legitimate consideration to are those emanating from knowledgeable, incorruptible, resilient, long-standing Patriots fans and my own.

Everyone else.......I don't care WTF they think.
At what point did I say I cared about what "the world thinks"? People have their impressions, acknowledging they exist isn't the same as caring about them. You asked a question. I answered it.

Everyone is inherently invested in their own perspective, it goes without saying. And most people are inclined to defend their perspective. You're doing it with every post. You're doing it when you say you don't care about any perspective that doesn't fit into that exceptionally narrow criteria that probably excludes everyone other than the last person you reference. Meaning, you're only really convinced that your own perspective is reliable enough for consideration.

Most people are really stubborn and would rather argue a point than concede it. Just for the sake of it. I think this explains a portion of Team Belichick. Not necessarily you but for example...

The problem is Malcolm was not mentally ready to play the game. Can't put players out there that aren't ready. Bill had no choice but to sit him.
The Butler benching is the easiest thing a Belichick detractor can point to. It's just too obvious. The guy played nearly 100% of the defensive snaps for 3 straight years. He was in uniform on the sideline. He played in the game, just not on defense. He never said he couldn't play in the game. In fact he said he could have changed the outcome. If you want to argue Butler wouldn't have made a difference in the outcome then that's one thing but saying he was complicit in his own benching is ridiculous.

Let's keep it real... Butler was a better option than Jordan Richards. Which was plenty obvious by halftime. By the fourth quarter. Belichick had a choice... he had an active player at his disposal and he chose not to deploy him despite the alternatives failing miserably. I really don't believe any of that is disputable. That Belichick did it out of personal animus, and not in the genuine best interests of the team, is speculative, but I believe that too.

You have so much wrong here.
The success is as much belichicks as it is Brady’s. You can’t take the success away because it coincided with Brady being here unless you take away coaching credit for any winning coach who had good players.
Secondly you want to look at belichicks career without Brady and ignore context. He took over a terrible team in Cleveland and had to rebuild it without free agency. He did, made them a playoff team and has the rug pulled out from under him when the owner moved.
In New England you want to count the year he took over an awful team with severe cap problems and cleaned house and then not count the fruits of that. Then you want to count a season with a qb who had not started a game since high school and they went 11-5. Finally you want to count only the year after the cap caught up to the dynasty. It’s a ridiculous take. Let’s eliminate everything that is good and assess a guy on what’s left and give him no credit for leading the greatest dynasty ever.

How about this. Let’s eliminate Brady’s completions and only count his incompletions and interceptions. So we conclude he ducks and was only successful because of his receivers.
Guess what. I just reduced Brady’s career to about 35% of what is it was. Unfair? You are reducing belichicks to 29% of his.

What I truly don’t understand though is why a Patriot fan, after all of the success we have been gifted, would feel any need at all to trash any participant in that success. As a fan you were handed success you don’t deserve. Instead of appreciating it you spend your free time trying to knock down the architect of it.
Can you explain why?
Firstly, Belichick wasn't successful in Cleveland. Unless you consider 1 playoff appearance and 1 playoff win in 5 seasons a success. Which if you do then I probably should just stop now.

Look, I'm not eliminating everything Belichick did in the plus column throughout the course of the dynasty. Obviously over the course of 20 seasons he did some good things that contributed to the team's success. But 1) Brady did more, perhaps a lot more, 2) Belichick made some incredible mistakes along the way that changed the outcome of entire seasons...2015 and 2017, and 3) Belichick hastened the demise of the dynasty by a) failing to surround Brady with enough talent, b) fostering a poor relationship with Brady and c) letting Brady go with d) no adequate backup plan.
 
What do you think the going rate for a franchise QB is? The Pats were never breaking the bank with Tom. 2 yrs for $50m. That’s all it would have taken, not $35m+ per yr like other top QBs.

Bill was wrong. He ****ed Brady around with 1 yr prove it deals and now Tom is winning SBs with another franchise and Bills throwing out a Cam led offence that looked like 1920’s football.
Really? You think the guy who reworked his contract a hundred times over his career suddenly started obsessing over money?

At age 41 with hundreds of millions banked, he's going to leave everything he built in Boston because of a contract dispute. Got it.

Has nothing to do with generally being disgruntled. BB just had to offer him a 2 year, $50m contract. Problem solved.

People on this forum seem to know more about the team than the team itself. Impressive
 
The thing I don't get here is why is everybody making excuses for Bill?

He got rid of Brady, fine. I am okay with that. I also think a lot of the hate here he is getting is absolutely asinine. However, if he cannot turn the ship around then that is his failure and we need to eventually go in a new direction. If we have 2 more losing seasons and the arrow isn't pointing up, its time we find a new coach even if he is worse. A culture can eventually break, even if it was an amazing one that lasted 20 years.
 
Belichick is getting what he deserves. Tom Brady wasn’t a regular Patriot. He was the greatest Patriot there ever was and New England loves him. Only an idiot would think he was tradeable or expendable.
 
I don't think it's that clean.

...and if Malcolm went to Bill and told him he wasn't 100% focused for the Super Bowl that is beyond alarming.
Of course that's alarming, but it does not make sense. why all of a sudden? What happened? And Butler played on special teams, just not the regular defense. Even in the butler quote doesn't say I went to Bill before the game to tell him, out of the blue, i'm not 100% focused. His quote really sounds like a player that does not want to call out his former coach after landing with another team. We no something happened with Butler the week leading up to the Superbowl, but based on what we know there is no reason to dress him, play him on special teams but punish him by not playing him on defense and in the process rearranging the entire secondary for the entire game when any casual fan could see the defense was in disarray by halftime at most.
 
Bill Belichick got what he deserved...he fought and clawed his way to 6 super bowl wins (Patriots). He'll go out the GOAT in my book regardless how the rest of it plays out.
 
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thinking BB's legacy should diminish because of Brady's 2020 season on a new team is like saying Brady's legacy should diminish because in 2002 he didn't win another SB. Or because of the '05-'13 seasons he fell short. It's absurd!
Add onto that - BB was already a 2x SB winning coordinator on a very D-based team. He turned around the useless Browns in 1994. He was an established entity. He made Brady successful early by having an amazing D built around him from 2001-06, when he was throwing for 3000/28/14. BB's system (and Weiss/Pioli) allowed an unathletic but smart QB thrive. It's not all or nothing.

I agree with you and BBs legacy is fine in my house but it has clearly taken a hit outside of it.
 
So fans wanted Belichick to randomly break the bank and screw the salary cap so he could keep a 40+ year old qb who has been showing signs of decline for like four straight years?

Is that what all the crying is about?

Everything was trending down after 2016. Yards, TD, QBR, completion %, etc. The only thing trending up was his age. And Belichick being a historian of the game likely realized all indicators are pointing to the end. Yet fans wanted him to just toss out a $25m+ per year contract that would have screwed the franchise had that trend continued. Just because... Brady said he's okay?

It's so easy to GM in hindsight, but I guarantee if Brady stuck around and declined even further (which was a very real possibility due to the complete lack of receiving options), fans would be calling for BB's head for getting us into cap hell.

Unless of course people here are on crack and think the 2020 Pats would have won the Super Bowl with Brady?
Brady still has it. He's not declining. He's won 2 Super Bowls in the last 3. And no you don't screw your salary cap by devoting $25m to the QB position, not when other teams devote $45m. $25m is a bargain. We could have easily held onto Brady this year.

In fact, your whole point is wrong because BB offered Brady a one year contract. It would have IMPACTED the cap.

Brady pretty much proved that he still has it by putting up the second best season of his career.
 
Really? You think the guy who reworked his contract a hundred times over his career suddenly started obsessing over money?

At age 41 with hundreds of millions banked, he's going to leave everything he built in Boston because of a contract dispute. Got it.

Has nothing to do with generally being disgruntled. BB just had to offer him a 2 year, $50m contract. Problem solved.

People on this forum seem to know more about the team than the team itself. Impressive
Heard this BS before, Ring 6 make a burner account?
 
Brady still has it. He's not declining. He's won 2 Super Bowls in the last 3. And no you don't screw your salary cap by devoting $25m to the QB position, not when other teams devote $45m. $25m is a bargain. We could have easily held onto Brady this year.

In fact, your whole point is wrong because BB offered Brady a one year contract. It would have IMPACTED the cap.

Brady pretty much proved that he still has it by putting up the second best season of his career.
You think 2020 was Brady's second best season? So what you're telling me is you don't really understand what you're talking about and just grasping on to some emotional straws because you're sad Brady left. Got it.

Brady was indeed on a steady decline and 2020 was definitely not his second best year lol.
 
Heard this BS before, Ring 6 make a burner account?
Perhaps you heard it before because it's the correct take?

Brady fans legit seem to think all was well in the land of Brady and Belichick until the end of 2019. All it would have taken was the identical contract he eventually got in TB and Pats would have ring #7 this year.

Pats fans are hilariously dumb sometimes
 
At what point did I say I cared about what "the world thinks"? People have their impressions, acknowledging they exist isn't the same as caring about them. You asked a question. I answered it.

Everyone is inherently invested in their own perspective, it goes without saying. And most people are inclined to defend their perspective. You're doing it with every post. You're doing it when you say you don't care about any perspective that doesn't fit into that exceptionally narrow criteria that probably excludes everyone other than the last person you reference. Meaning, you're only really convinced that your own perspective is reliable enough for consideration.

Most people are really stubborn and would rather argue a point than concede it. Just for the sake of it. I think this explains a portion of Team Belichick. Not necessarily you but for example...


The Butler benching is the easiest thing a Belichick detractor can point to. It's just too obvious. The guy played nearly 100% of the defensive snaps for 3 straight years. He was in uniform on the sideline. He played in the game, just not on defense. He never said he couldn't play in the game. In fact he said he could have changed the outcome. If you want to argue Butler wouldn't have made a difference in the outcome then that's one thing but saying he was complicit in his own benching is ridiculous.

Let's keep it real... Butler was a better option than Jordan Richards. Which was plenty obvious by halftime. By the fourth quarter. Belichick had a choice... he had an active player at his disposal and he chose not to deploy him despite the alternatives failing miserably. I really don't believe any of that is disputable. That Belichick did it out of personal animus, and not in the genuine best interests of the team, is speculative, but I believe that too.


Firstly, Belichick wasn't successful in Cleveland. Unless you consider 1 playoff appearance and 1 playoff win in 5 seasons a success. Which if you do then I probably should just stop now.

Look, I'm not eliminating everything Belichick did in the plus column throughout the course of the dynasty. Obviously over the course of 20 seasons he did some good things that contributed to the team's success. But 1) Brady did more, perhaps a lot more, 2) Belichick made some incredible mistakes along the way that changed the outcome of entire seasons...2015 and 2017, and 3) Belichick hastened the demise of the dynasty by a) failing to surround Brady with enough talent, b) fostering a poor relationship with Brady and c) letting Brady go with d) no adequate backup plan.

I'm throwing out your entire post worthy of response because one single sentence exposes your core belief.

Look, I'm not eliminating everything Belichick did in the plus column throughout the course of the dynasty. Obviously over the course of 20 seasons he did some good things that contributed to the team's success.

"He did some good things."

You think BB is Barry Switzer.

Jesus.
 
Of course that's alarming, but it does not make sense. why all of a sudden? What happened? And Butler played on special teams, just not the regular defense. Even in the butler quote doesn't say I went to Bill before the game to tell him, out of the blue, i'm not 100% focused. His quote really sounds like a player that does not want to call out his former coach after landing with another team. We no something happened with Butler the week leading up to the Superbowl, but based on what we know there is no reason to dress him, play him on special teams but punish him by not playing him on defense and in the process rearranging the entire secondary for the entire game when any casual fan could see the defense was in disarray by halftime at most.
It's simply not credible and total nonsense that Butler all of a sudden freaked out and told Bill he couldn't focus. Just 2 weeks prior he played fairly good against Jacksonville in the AFCCG. He didn't allow a TD, just one long pass. He was third in tackles (6). See highlights of the game below.

On another note, man was Amendola clutch. I miss that dude.


 
Of course that's alarming, but it does not make sense. why all of a sudden? What happened? And Butler played on special teams, just not the regular defense. Even in the butler quote doesn't say I went to Bill before the game to tell him, out of the blue, i'm not 100% focused. His quote really sounds like a player that does not want to call out his former coach after landing with another team. We no something happened with Butler the week leading up to the Superbowl, but based on what we know there is no reason to dress him, play him on special teams but punish him by not playing him on defense and in the process rearranging the entire secondary for the entire game when any casual fan could see the defense was in disarray by halftime at most.
I dunno man. As everyone knows I'm a BB undies-sniffer but I love Malcolm. That whole situation was heartbreaking.

BB has core tenants which are uncompromisable and for 20 years has been consistent in enforcing them. Be on time. Be prepared. Work hard. Compete. I believe Malcolm missed the mark on some of those which is why he sat. What is preventable? Could BB have let it slide? I have no idea. Are there levels of severity in BB's mind? Should there be?

I believe Malcolm was legitimately sick after the AFCCG and got behind in his preparation for the SB. BB thought he should have done some things to accelerate getting ready and he didn't meet that expectation. According to Eric Rowe he practiced all week with the second teamers. Having a reduced role was not a surprise but not playing was a shock to the players.

It was what it was.
 
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You think 2020 was Brady's second best season? So what you're telling me is you don't really understand what you're talking about and just grasping on to some emotional straws because you're sad Brady left. Got it.

Brady was indeed on a steady decline and 2020 was definitely not his second best year lol.

What you're telling me is that you better stick to watching hockey.
 
I dunno man. As everyone knows I'm a BB undies-sniffer but I love Malcolm. That whole situation was heartbreaking.

BB has core tenants which are uncompromisable and for 20 years has been consistent in enforcing them. Be on time. Be prepared. Work hard. Compete. I believe Malcolm missed the mark on some of those which is why he sat. What is preventable? Could BB have let it slide? I have no idea. Are there levels of severity in BB's mind? Should there be?

I believe Malcolm was legitimately sick after the AFCCG and got behind in his preparation for the SB. BB thought he should have done some things to accelerate getting ready and he didn't meet that expectation. According to Eric Rowe he practiced all week with the second teamers. Having a reduced role was not surprise but not playing was a shock to the players.

It was what it was.
Very good post but it doesn't explain why BB wouldn't of put him in in the second half. If he was really just lacking focus, or sick, or something of that nature, you had nothing to lose at that time. Put him in? If it was discipline, one half was enough punishment no? Everything you said is fine and the problem lies in the fact that any way you look at it, the situation was BS. I like both guys but one of them is responsible for making the other one leave and one of them is responsible for the defense in that SB. I don't want BB fired, but I'd like him to explain wtf he was doing but he's above that too. The people coming in here and having the balls to say that somehow BB is responsible for the player Brady is today is complete nonsense. Never do we hear that about other players. Somehow even this team's own fans believe that this coach has magical powers and that Brady isn't an elite QB. They aren't saying it but it's implied all over their posts. He's a coach, he's the best coach but still just a coach and he's had some of the biggest fireable offenses in the history of the NFL. That SB and the Brady contract are major blunders. Brees can come back next year if he wants broken arm and all. Anything he wants. They know how to handle a team legend. Bill couldn't help but be Bill, no exceptions. Ridiculous. I said it last year and regardless of anything that happened this year on both teams, you should of given Brady what he wanted he had earned it. I don't want to hear from the old ass hard line clowns saying no one is above the team. I'm not talking about you but they, as much if not more than the Brady ass eaters, are responsible for this **** show we find ourselves in. The media is having a field day with this.
 
What's worse, benching one of your core starters on D in the Super Bowl or giving up at the end of the 2015 season and then having to go to Denver for the AFCCG?
 
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