Belichick's end of season speech / excuses to team

Jackson 2 said:

I just tuned into this board for the first time in months, and it's been that long because of jackasses like you.You are, without a doubt, the most ignorant, arrogant, obnoxious and moronic poster I've ever seen. And, that, you idiot, covers some long history. You aren't a Patriots fan, never have been and never will be. Phony f###...

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Writing all that filth reveals a lot more about your character than about mine.

I've been on these forums more than a decade and was on Boston.com forums for a decade before that before they were closed. Why don't you disappear for a few more months and spare us. Thanks.

Good day.

Crazy Patriot Guy said:

So you want me to believe that you wouldn't be on here complaining if Brady had led us to a 10-6 season and another 1st round playoff loss? This is just about winning seasons now? Because I have no doubt we would have made the playoffs with him, but I also have no doubt we still wouldn't be playing this Sunday.

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I understand your point, but I have some counterpoints.

I think playoffs can be a crap shoot. I think you want as many bites as you can, who knows when it all clicks. I have seen many teams win who weren't the best teams that year. We weren't anywhere near the best team in 2018. We got to the Superbowl with 31st ranked passing offense in 2011. Our best team never won the Superbowl 2007. So basically, just keep getting there and swinging for it. No need to rebuild, just have enough to get there and make it all click by end of season and get hot at the right time and who knows...........

The fact that Seahawks have only won once doesn't mean they were wrong to keep getting to the playoffs. I mean....... there are only 10 winners in a decade! (pretty sure!).

You could have told me exactly what you said for 2018 as well, that we would limp into playoffs and have no chance. Yet we won.

So with that in mind, what could the Patriots be doing to have more swings at winning it all? More playoff appearances and hope we get hot. And that was best accomplished by keeping Brady. And that's what we should have done, and gotten to 11-5 instead of 7-9, and gotten to the playoffs, and after that........ who knows. Some players are clutch, and shine when the heat is on. Others fold. Brady is clutch.

robertweathers said:

Of course Tom used the NEP for leverage. He publicly left the door open. Curran reported it.

BB did not keep Tom on a string because of stats. It was because of money, cap hit and age.

Are you really brining up BB's time in CLE and using that to make your case for Brady v BB? Really? With a loaded roster BB went 11-5 without Tom in 2008....which means absolutely nothing now.

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BB's record in New England without Brady is also sub 0.5, even if you ignore Cleveland.

Rob0729 said:

So you want me to believe that you wouldn't be on here complaining if Brady had led us to a 10-6 season and another 1st round playoff loss? This is just about winning seasons now? Because I have no doubt we would have made the playoffs with him, but I also have no doubt we still wouldn't be playing this Sunday

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If the Patriots were 10-6 they wouldn't have made the playoffs this year... even with the playoffs expanding to 7 teams

Biffins said:

BB's record in New England without Brady is also sub 0.5, even if you ignore Cleveland.

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Only if you give Brady credit for winning the KC game in 2008 when he scored 0 points.

Biffins said:

This is a good point. If BB gave his thought process on why he let the GOAT walk and what his rationale was, and how it’s good for the team long term, we would be less disgruntled. Instead we say “It was BB’s ego” and there’s nothing to refute that, so the resentment grows with each Brady win.

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if the resentment grows then it really is shortsighted because we have all witnessed first hand for 20 yrs what BB is . Yet on the first sign of adversity we want to flip on him and feel that him giving some open press conference will allay the resentment. if he talks more , there will be more people parsing eveyrhing he says and dumping on him more. until he wins , your resentment wont end , regardless of what he says in the media.

Biffins said:

BB did not call him all offseason. This is a fact. Not gossip.

So you’re saying Brady was off in his 4500 yds, 40 TD and 12 int season ending in a Superbowl appearance. Ok man.

Brady wanted a multi year contract after 2018 SB win. BB didn’t give to him. Brady negotiated no-franchise tag, and put his house on sale. BB messed up,

Guerrero is allowed in Bucs faciliies. Why couldn’t Pats crrew work it outz

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How do you know it is a fact?? Did anyone else call him from the Pats Organization??

The season I was referring to was the Season ending in 2020, when he threw for 4K yards and 24 TD's... of course now the blame will be on BB for not having the best O weapons, but for 19 years prior to that #12 was making chicken salad out of chicken crap. Anyone who watched that season it was obvious that something was not right with him.

Brady rebounded this year and has played incredibly well, but after 2018 there were concerns about his age and whatever what going on with his elbow in 2019, if he was extended and had the same elbow issues he had in the '19-'20 season the same folks would be whining about what a mistake BB made. There were salary cap indications as well.

There is a TB12 training facility directly across from Gillette, any player can walk there. Maybe the Bucs and tolerate individual trainers, but the last that thing BB wanted was diverging positions on training/rehab regimens.. why hired a training staff and then let in individual trainers?? No one player is different than any other player on the team.

Biffins said:

And my response is what you deserve, as I consider your contribution to this thread garbage as well.

I saw the cap space he chews up. He deserves it. They are in the playoffs every year. They seem to be doing rather well actually. Don't see any losing seasons either.

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Deserves got nothing to do with it.

I'm glad you are content with just going to the divisionals and 1st round knockouts.

Fanboy.

Biffins said:

BB's record in New England without Brady is also sub 0.5, even if you ignore Cleveland.

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Throwing in the cleanup season after Hurricane Bobby Grier of 1999?

Irrelevant.

Damn, nailed it again. Not only is Belichivk
Lazy AF, but he never takes responsibility and always makes excuses for everything. It’s no wonder they have sucked so much all these years.

SVN said:

if the resentment grows then it really is shortsighted because we have all witnessed first hand for 20 yrs what BB is . Yet on the first sign of adversity we want to flip on him and feel that him giving some open press conference will allay the resentment. if he talks more , there will be more people parsing eveyrhing he says and dumping on him more. until he wins , your resentment wont end , regardless of what he says in the media.

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Eh, that is always the stakes - winning. Sports is a production business. No one looks at the past. If Bill can right things this season then the entire narrative will change.

Rob0729 said:

Let’s face it. There was always a part of this message board community just waiting for the Pats to fall apart so they could complain. All you had to do is look at any game day threadduring the dynasty. The second the Pats gave up a TD the “this team sucks” crowd came out of the woodwork.

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A very wise friend of mine, a judge, once told me that a third of the reason writers, actors, and athletes make their money is because they give miserable people something to ***** about.

50-yard-line said:

A very wise friend of mine, a judge, once told me that a third of the reason writers, actors, and athletes make their money is because they give miserable people something to ***** about.

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I like that although I'd up it to at least half nowadays.

Biffins said:

And my response is what you deserve, as I consider your contribution to this thread garbage as well.

I saw the cap space he chews up. He deserves it. They are in the playoffs every year. They seem to be doing rather well actually. Don't see any losing seasons either.

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Seattle missed the playoff in 2017 at 9-7. Also went 7-9 Pete Carroll's first two years there.

Pats went into a reset this year, of course. They had no money in FA, then had 8 opt-outs late in the game when there was no one there to replace them. That's not an excuse - in fact, I think it was a good thing, as if gave BB a better chance to evaluate the young talent on the team and figure out what he needs to fill in the gaps.

So this year, IF ALL 8 - Hightower, Cannon, Bolden, Chung, Vitale, etc. - come back, the Pats are 59+million UNDER a 175 million 2021 cap (that includes a 1st round tender on JC Jackson and an ERFA tender on Johnson. No one expects the opt-outs all to come back, and even if they do, there will almost certainly be reworking of the Hightowerr and Cannon deals.

So the Pats are looking at more than 60m under, more than 70m under if it goes to 185, as some are predicted.

And that with many teams in absolute cap hell. Players like Akiem Hicks could very well be cap casualties, and BB has the $$$ to scoop them.

So this team, that lost its QB and identity, lost its entire linebacking corps, lost its NT to FA and his replacement to injury, got absolutely battered by COVID, losing the QB, who was not the same when he returned, and losing 4 weeks of practice in the middle of the year...this team, went 7-9.

And that, playing with more 1st, 2nd, and third-year players than I've ever seen on a BB team by a mile.

Coming into next year with gobs of $$$, 11 draft picks, and a bunch of young players who got plenty of playing time.

I'm optimistic. Yes, they need a serviceable QB, but this idea that it has to be Mahomes or young Brady, or whatever to have a chance at a ring is kind of, well, just no. Jimmy G had a SB in his grasp when SF turtled in the fourth quarter. A QB of his caliber can take a team to the ring.

Biffins said:

It’s not a lie. BB had no intention of bringing Brady back and he forced the issue.

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How do you know this?

Were you in the meeting?
Are you a Belichick family member?
Were you in Bill's head?

You lied, tell us the truth, tell us you lied.

Brady and his business partner were leaving before the 2019 season started. That is why they put their houses up for sale before the season ended and negotiations started, that is the TRUTH.

Brady had no intentions of playing with the Pats this season.

Biffins said:

He was kicked out

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WRONG

If you think the patriots of 2020 would have been 11-5 with Brady, no other changes, then you’re delusional .... love the guy, but....

yukon cornelius said:

If you think the patriots of 2020 would have been 11-5 with Brady, no other changes, then you’re delusional .... love the guy, but....

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Andy Hart has a 1/2 way entertaining article this am. Played the what-if game...

I tend to agree with how he saw it playing out.

Brewskies said:

How do you know this?

Were you in the meeting?
Are you a Belichick family member?
Were you in Bill's head?

You lied, tell us the truth, tell us you lied.

Brady and his business partner were leaving before the 2019 season started. That is why they put their houses up for sale before the season ended and negotiations started, that is the TRUTH.

Brady had no intentions of playing with the Pats this season.

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I think Biffins is Alex Guerrero

robertweathers said:

Deserves got nothing to do with it.

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