Belichick's end of season speech / excuses to team

tuckeverlasting · Feb 4, 2021

crawhammer said:
Belichick has proven he can NOT win without Brady.

Those are the FACTS.

wrong again grasshopper

Rob0729 · Feb 4, 2021

Joker said:
This place used to be great for Pats fans solidarity...then Fnord showed up....and the shyt hit the fan as we went to hell in a handbasket slapping the puppet over the most incredibly inane postulations in sports board history. In scientific terms....ENTROPY. Yup, all Fnord's fault.

Let’s face it. There was always a part of this message board community just waiting for the Pats to fall apart so they could complain. All you had to do is look at any game day threadduring the dynasty. The second the Pats gave up a TD the “this team sucks” crowd came out of the woodwork.

Brewskies · Feb 5, 2021

Biffins said:
He was kicked out

You know that's a lie. Do you belong to the liars club with your leader unseated and in Florida?

DarrylS · Feb 5, 2021

Biffins said:
OTAs? You mean the optional stuff?

sulked in last 2 years? You mean he sulked his way to a SB win? Give me more sulking please!!

He WAS unappreciated, has a crap contact, and him and his trainer were kicked out of team facilities. Bucs seem to have managed, why couldn’t we?

I am awake. He wanted a 2 yr commitment and not play year to year. Too much to ask?

There was no passive aggressive BS. BB didn’t call him all offseason. Tom left. BB celebrated.

BB did not call him all offseason?? BB celebrated?? Unappreciated?? Where did you hear this sports talk radio???

Y'all forget that in the 2020 season he had issues with his elbow, so much so that he could only take limited snaps during practice. Anyone who did not notice a fall off in his passing in 2020 had to be watching through some very rosey glasses, many passes were off target.

Crap contract?? It was obvious that #12 wanted to move on, the first hint was both he and Guerrero put their houses on the market prior to last years season. Then there were not OTA's... there was every indication that he was planning on leaving. We also do not know what was offered behind closed doors and probably never will.

Concerning Guerrero you cannot have a Pats Training staff + individual trainers in that facility, it made no sense.. what worked for Brady with Guererro's help may not have worked for other players. A player is free to see their trainer on their own time, in #12's case all he had to do was walk across the parking lot.

TomPatriot · Feb 5, 2021

captain stone said:
Yep...Not once has this dude acknowledged that it is because of his GARBAGE drafting that this team is now where it is...What an azzhole.

1. His UDFA signings somewhat lessen the impact of mediocre drafting.
2. Many teams routinely draft worse from better positions.
3. He always takes blame for the team's performance. What more do you want?
4. Is he really supposed to tell his players, "We were mediocre because I drafted you chumps?"

captain stone · Feb 5, 2021

stinkypete said:
There was no way to keep Brady AND build a competitive team around him.

Wrong.

captain stone · Feb 5, 2021

TomPatriot said:
1. His UDFA signings somewhat lessen the impact of mediocre drafting.
2. Many teams routinely draft worse from better positions.
3. He always takes blame for the team's performance. What more do you want?
4. Is he really supposed to tell his players, "We were mediocre because I drafted you chumps?"

3. I've never heard him take the blame for his drafting.

4. That would be refreshing.

203Pat · Feb 5, 2021

vuudu said:
Call it what you want. It is what it is. 2020 season is the COVID season. It benefitted the teams who did not have significant changes. These are facts. If people can't admit to these simple facts, they may harbor other agendas.

Well it's a good thing Bill drove off a QB who could run the offense in his sleep.

Patsgofor4 · Feb 5, 2021

captain stone said:
Wrong.

Ok, master team builder, tell us how you would have put together a competitive around Brady. Pretend that you are the GM at the start of last offseason. Be specific.

- You can’t go back in time and re-draft all of the players who have panned out over the last several years and you can’t state “I would have picked the following players” and then cherry pick only draftees from the 2020 all-rookie team.
- You cannot ignore the realities of the salary cap. Remember, Brady’s cap number would have been north of $25m, plus his dead cap charge.
- All of the players who opted out will still opt out (those opt-outs were family/medical decisions, not prompted to Brady’s departure) and you wouldn’t know this during free agency or before the draft.

Please begin, while those of us who live in Reality Land throw a bag of popcorn in the microwave.

Patsgofor4 · Feb 5, 2021

203Pat said:
Well it's a good thing Bill drove off a QB who could run the offense in his sleep.

You clearly didn’t pay attention carefully to the passing game production late in the season in 2018 (there is a reason that they went run heavy on their way to a SB title) or during 2019. The revisionist history on this site about those seasons when it comes Brady’s play is ridiculous.

203Pat · Feb 5, 2021

Patsgofor4 said:
You clearly didn’t pay attention carefully to the passing game production late in the season in 2018 (there is a reason that they went run heavy on their way to a SB title) or during 2019. The revisionist history on this site about those seasons when it comes Brady’s play is ridiculous.

So Brady being banged up 2 years ago means Brady can't run the offense? The random nonsensical posts on this site about Brady's play is ridiculous.

TomPatriot · Feb 5, 2021

captain stone said:
3. I've never heard him take the blame for his drafting.

4. That would be refreshing.

But he takes the blame for the performance of the team. That encompasses everything. Soon it will be moot because some changes have been implemented; I think that's where the rubber meets the road because the Krafts aren't putting up with mediocrity forever..

Calling out your players as incapable of playing is bad coaching. Really bad. And you know this.

Patsgofor4 · Feb 5, 2021

203Pat said:
So Brady being banged up 2 years ago means Brady can't run the offense? The random nonsensical posts on this site about Brady's play is ridiculous.

Aaaah, the injury defense. I know it well.

203Pat · Feb 5, 2021

Patsgofor4 said:
Aaaah, the injury defense. I know it well.

Okay even if he just played poorly he just forgot how to run the offense? I have no idea what you're getting at.

crawhammer · Feb 5, 2021

robertweathers said:
Meh. Tom said he wants to stay here. Why on earth would he limit his options in FA by saying he wouldn't?

Kraft said he wanted Tom here.

Curran says Belichick preferred Tom to be QB for the NEP in 2020.

Gotta read between the lines dude.

So you are passing judgement BB can't win w/o Tom after 10 months? Really?

Tom leaves to go to a team with a loaded roster and BB is rebuilding a old roster with cap problems...Gee thats an equal comparison

Brady didn't have to leverage teams with a possible return to New England. Plus, anyone who was paying attention knew the moment Brady and NE agreed to the no franchise clause that he was not resigning with NE after the 2019 season. Prior to that last contract with the bogus two years and the no franchise clause, Brady talked openly about wanting to sign with NE and play until age 45. It was Belichick who didn't want to commit to anything beyond one season at a time so he left Brady with no choice but to look for another commitment from another team.

I'm sure Kraft wanted Brady to finish out his career in NE but he ultimately let Belichick have his way. Where I fault Kraft was his whining for Brady to retire instead of signing elsewhere... that was some pretty weak bullsh*t from Kraft.

You cite Curran, he's been annihilating Belichick for not locking up Brady. And it means nothing to say Belichick wanted Brady to stay because Belichick as usual wanted it entirely his way... one year commitments with incentives, etc. Mr. Stats Are For Losers basing the contract of the greatest player to ever play the game on Stats... hypocrite, we can add that to Bill's résumé.

Belichick's not winning without Brady spans 8 full seasons, not just one. He's 0-8 in divisions without Brady and 17-1 with Brady. After three road wins, two against the #2 and #1 seeds, Brady's made it to a Super Bowl year one without Belichick. The "loaded roster" was 7-9 just last season with another quarterback so clearly Brady's the difference between winning and losing. Ask Bill, who by the way only has himself to blame for his disheveled roster.

captain stone · Feb 5, 2021

TomPatriot said:
Calling out your players as incapable of playing is bad coaching. Really bad. And you know this.

Yeah I know...I'll therefore settle for "I have to do a better job drafting..."

RobertWeathers · Feb 5, 2021

crawhammer said:
Brady didn't have to leverage teams with a possible return to New England. Plus, anyone who was paying attention knew the moment Brady and NE agreed to the no franchise clause that he was not resigning with NE after the 2019 season. Prior to that last contract with the bogus two years and the no franchise clause, Brady talked openly about wanting to sign with NE and play until age 45. It was Belichick who didn't want to commit to anything beyond one season at a time so he left Brady with no choice but to look for another commitment from another team.

I'm sure Kraft wanted Brady to finish out his career in NE but he ultimately let Belichick have his way. Where I fault Kraft was his whining for Brady to retire instead of signing elsewhere... that was some pretty weak bullsh*t from Kraft.

You cite Curran, he's been annihilating Belichick for not locking up Brady. And it means nothing to say Belichick wanted Brady to stay because Belichick as usual wanted it entirely his way... one year commitments with incentives, etc. Mr. Stats Are For Losers basing the contract of the greatest player to ever play the game on Stats... hypocrite, we can add that to Bill's résumé.

Belichick's not winning without Brady spans 8 full seasons, not just one. He's 0-8 in divisions without Brady and 17-1 with Brady. After three road wins, two against the #2 and #1 seeds, Brady's made it to a Super Bowl year one without Belichick. The "loaded roster" was 7-9 just last season with another quarterback so clearly Brady's the difference between winning and losing. Ask Bill, who by the way only has himself to blame for his disheveled roster.

Of course Tom used the NEP for leverage. He publicly left the door open. Curran reported it.

BB did not keep Tom on a string because of stats. It was because of money, cap hit and age.

Are you really brining up BB's time in CLE and using that to make your case for Brady v BB? Really? With a loaded roster BB went 11-5 without Tom in 2008....which means absolutely nothing now.

Sicilian · Feb 5, 2021

captain stone said:
Yeah I know...I'll therefore settle for "I have to do a better job drafting..."

Whether he actually believes that or not, that's tantamount to telling the players on his team that they aren't good enough, and his mistake was believing in them. Publicly. That would be a terrible look.

Brewskies · Feb 5, 2021

captain stone said:
Wrong.

.you"re WRONG

Patsgofor4 · Feb 5, 2021

robertweathers said:
Of course Tom used the NEP for leverage. He publicly left the door open. Curran reported it.

BB did not keep Tom on a string because of stats. It was because of money, cap hit and age.

Are you really brining up BB's time in CLE and using that to make your case for Brady v BB? Really? With a loaded roster BB went 11-5 without Tom in 2008....which means absolutely nothing now.

The notion that 2008 was a “loaded” roster is false, no matter how many times people try to use that against BB. I don’t have time to post (again) all of the ways that 2008 roster was NOT the same as 2007 but to summarize: It was a combination of a few aging vets whose play began to rapidly decline, injuries to key players and free agency losses. Here is a start....Sammy Morris was their lead RB, Watson was TE1 with 22 catches and 209 yds (David Thomas was TE2) and their top 4 CBs were Hobbs (CB1), Deltha F-ing O’Neil and two rookies (Wheatley and Wilhite). “Loaded”.

Those those say that 11-5 without Brady was no big deal because they still, otherwise, had the same roster as their 18-1 year need to do their research on the 2008 season. It was a brilliant job of coaching by Belichick.

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