Bob Kravitz writes about Deflategate [Four Games in Fall Documentary]

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

But you’d turn over your cell phone, @TommyBrady12 ?

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Yes, just to get Goodell off my back. Brady should have known the NFL was going to do their best to suspend him. He knew the ball boys' phones had nothing, so his phone should have nothing as well. Who cares if irrelevant texts/emails/photos get leaked during the forensic examination of the phone? Also, the timing of him switching to the new iPhone was right around the time of the investigation - why destroy it? Put it in the closet or something. By destroying it, he looked like Hillary acid-washing her emails

TommyBrady12 said:

Yes, just to get Goodell off my back. Brady should have known the NFL was going to make any excuse to suspend him. He knew the ball boys' phones had nothing, so his phone should have nothing as well. Who cares if irrelevant texts/emails/photos get leaked during the forensic examination of the phone? Also, the timing of him switching to the new iPhone was right around the time of the investigation - why destroy it? Put it in the closet. By destroying it, he looked like HIllary acid-washing her emails

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Ahahahaha!!!

Dude - that’s bad even for you. I don’t know about your personal life, but I can tell you that if I did this voluntarily, I’d be not only turning my own personal, private discussions over to the entire world but also many, many people who trust that I won’t betray their privacy.

Science has proven Brady did nothing wrong. He told Wells there was no relevant information in the texts because there wasn’t. Don Yee told the press that they’d already figured out this wasn’t an actual investigation but a kangaroo court based on the way the NFL/Wells had already lied to the press and refused to release the actual accurate PSI numbers, and based on the previous Wells “investigation” of Incognito.

Goodell and Wells are liars. They lied about so many things. They manipulated whatever they possibly could. You’d have to be an absolute fool to think that turning over your cell phone - which had absolutely zero benefit to you but maximum damage - is a good idea in any way.

Are you really an attorney? Jesus man. You’re not dumb guy...why take this failed path?

TommyBrady12 said:

Yes, just to get Goodell off my back. Brady should have known the NFL was going to do their best to suspend him. He knew the ball boys' phones had nothing, so his phone should have nothing as well. Who cares if irrelevant texts/emails/photos get leaked during the forensic examination of the phone? Also, the timing of him switching to the new iPhone was right around the time of the investigation - why destroy it? Put it in the closet or something. By destroying it, he looked like Hillary acid-washing her emails

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I don't believe it was even "destroyed". That was a narrative leaked by ESPN.

sb1 said:

I don't believe it was even "destroyed". That was a narrative leaked by ESPN.

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Brady said he gave it to his assistant to destroy it.

I wonder if this thread should be bumped to the Brady forum.

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Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Ahahahaha!!!

Dude - that’s bad even for you. I don’t know about your personal life, but I can tell you that if I did this voluntarily, I’d be not only turning my own personal, private discussions over to the entire world but also many, many people who trust that I won’t betray their privacy.

Science has proven Brady did nothing wrong. He told Wells there was no relevant information in the texts because there wasn’t. Don Yee told the press that they’d already figured out this wasn’t an actual investigation but a kangaroo court based on the way the NFL/Wells had already lied to the press and refused to release the actual accurate PSI numbers, and based on the previous Wells “investigation” of Incognito.

Goodell and Wells are liars. They lied about so many things. They manipulated whatever they possibly could. You’d have to be an absolute fool to think that turning over your cell phone - which had absolutely zero benefit to you but maximum damage - is a good idea in any way.

Are you really an attorney? Jesus man. You’re not dumb guy...why take this failed path?

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Then you get an F in public relations.

Do you think Goodell or the general public care about science? The average person doesn't give a rats tail about the ideal gas law. And any competent attorney would tell a client who is under investigation not to destroy evidence. It's called spoliation of evidence, an actual legal doctrine. Don Yee was a fool for not guiding Brady better. Just give up the damn phone and be done with it. What maximum damage are you even talking about? Texts between him and Gisele get leaked? Who the hell cares. If he turns in his phone, he wins the public relations battle, and if the public finds nothing suspicious there's a good chance that Goodell would (reluctantly) let him go. Goodell acts based on public opinion - we all know that.

TommyBrady12 said:

Brady said he gave it to his assistant to destroy it.

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Maybe I meant smashed - I think that was the narrative at the time.

TommyBrady12 said:

It would at least make Brady look better to the general public. Brady gave Goodell the noose which he used to hang him.

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The phone didn’t matter. Goodell literally called Brady a liar. He based his decision on Brady’s testimony not being credible.

DG all these years later has only added to Brady's legend. The league trying its best to get him out of the game on air pressure and he comes back goes 11-1, leads the 28-3 comeback in the SB and wins MVP.

It would have been so easy for journalists to recreate the situation by measuring PSI on a cold day and then remeasuring after the game. That none of them did, shows a fear of pi**ing off the league or a lack of guts... That playoff game between Minn and Seattle in -10 degree weather would have been a perfect example.

DropKickFlutie said:

Kravitz is a total moron. PV=nRT is science.

Why did the nfl study footballs the next year and not publish any results? Because they realized (and buried) that in cold weather, footballs just like tires lose a little pressure. The whole thing is so stupid. And for Kraft to make Brady give in while fighting his own prostitution case is the height of hypocrisy.

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At least we can be confident that Kraft's pressure did go down, and quite dramatically

TommyBrady12 said:

Brady said he gave it to his assistant to destroy it.

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It’s “destroyed” that became the powerful buzz word. I’ve also discarded many of my phones but don’t recall “destroying” them. It’s standard process for a celebrity - or really anyone who’s concerned about privacy - to also wipe the sim card.

Brady was never going to win a PR battle against an organization supported by 32 billionaires, and especially being the league’s most envied/hated player and having already been ambushed by a fake yet widely accepted report that the balls were deflated by the Patriots.

I have said it before a thousand times....but bears repeating:

The Deflategate hatchet job was, bar none, the biggest steaming pile of bull$hit in the history of all professional sports....

It still makes my blood boil even six years later. Ever since then, Tommy is:

- 12-3 in the playoffs
- 3-1 on the road in the playoffs
- Threw for 460+ yards in two Superbowls
- Won 3 more rings and narrowly missed on a 4th...while now playing for another.

luuked said:

I hate how a lot of people like Kravitz conflate two completely separate issues.

It is possible, plausible and entirely within the ruleset that Brady asked our balls to be prepped around the lower threshold in terms of PSI because he preferred it that way. As we have heard from Rodgers and others: most QBs have their specific preferences when it comes to PSI.

At the same time we all know by now how the ideal gas law would affect balls that were around the lower threshold on that specific night because it happened to both the Colts and Pats game balls.

And yet some yahoos continue to combine both things implying that Brady asked the balls to be underinflated relative to the ruleset. At this point it is just insane to hear the same trash repeated again and again.

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Well said. I put it this way when talking to the yahoos.

Sometimes it is necessary to keep two competing ideas in one's head at the same time (usually beyond the mental ability of a yahoo). In this case:

1) The balls were inflated indoors in a room heated to approximately 72 degrees Fahrenheit. To the extent that their original weight was actually measured accurately before the game, at halftime, after around three hours of exposure to a cold rain and temperatures in the low 40's, the average weight of the balls was 0.23 psi below the expected mean for what it should have been under those circumstances according to the laws of physics. That is less than the weight of a toothpick and well within one standard deviation of the expected mean weight. In other words, the balls weighed just about exactly what they should have weighed according to the laws of physics, to the tolerance of a toothpick's weight. The balls were not "soft." The balls had not been "deflated" during that magic 90 seconds in a men's room.

2) It is possible, if not likely, that Brady, like many other NFL QB's including, as observed by @luuked, Aaron Rodgers, has a preference for balls in a specific region of the permitted range. The irony is that, perhaps because of the Playoff circumstances,, no one even had a reasonable chance to check the pressure of the balls in this instance.. When "properly inflated" balls were put in play during the second half, Brady did even better than he did in the first half...he could have beaten the Dolts that day throwing watermelons.

Did Sherlock Kravitz find Mike Kensil yet? Obviously this fat slob nitwit hack "journalist" is off his meds again...

“I’m sorry. I was initially misled by sources, but I should have backed off my position sooner - and made sure corrections to my report were as loud as the allegations - because my job is to inform the public about facts rather than disinformation. If Brady actually did something wrong, any chance of factually and objectively proving that was ruined by bad faith efforts by the league, who had the proof of onus on them but established themselves as disingenuous and agenda-driven.”

That is something that Bob Krafitz will never write, and therefore, he should not expect any forgiveness or credibility. Indeed, he is equally as guilty of disinformation as anyone else. He should not be considered to be a journalist.

TommyBrady12 said:

Yes, just to get Goodell off my back. Brady should have known the NFL was going to do their best to suspend him. He knew the ball boys' phones had nothing, so his phone should have nothing as well. Who cares if irrelevant texts/emails/photos get leaked during the forensic examination of the phone? Also, the timing of him switching to the new iPhone was right around the time of the investigation - why destroy it? Put it in the closet or something. By destroying it, he looked like Hillary acid-washing her emails

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I know several people who get rid of their old cell phones by rendering them useless one way or another and then throwing them out; none of them are high profile. Even if you delete a photo or message, its ghost is still there until the space is needed for something else unless you have one of the commercially available file wipers. One doesn't have to be hiding something illegal or inappropriate but can just be protecting the privacy of family and friends. I'd really advise everyone to do it.

PatsFanSince74 said:

I know several people who get rid of their old cell phones by rendering them useless one way or another and then throwing them out; none of them are high profile. Even if you delete a photo or message, its ghost is still there until the space is needed for something else unless you have one of the commercially available file wipers. One doesn't have to be hiding something illegal or inappropriate but can just be protecting the privacy of family and friends. I'd really advise everyone to do it.

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I wrote something but at this point, dead horse

The biggest thing I learned about the scandal was the absolute ignorance of the NFL, the media and fans in general. To have no idea about "deflation" in cold weather is absolutely stunning particularly when the majority of vehicles offer up this evidence with a click of a button every winter. Certainly reasonable to not understand the specific amounts but once you realized that hundreds of games have been played with PSI levels below 10 the entire issue should have been over.

The NFL absolutely thought they caught them once they saw the numbers were below 12.5 and they ran with it. By the time they finally realized their full stupidity they had already decided that cheating was the preferred narrative and went out of their way to "prove it" regardless of where the facts took them. The perplexing thing is why they thought that going after the GOAT and putting into question their own product was in their overall best interest (even understanding how much they hate the Patriots)

I assume they were massively disappointed when the PSI readings the following year showed exactly what they by now knew they would but they kept that quiet as they were now more interested in Goodell's authority than the case in question.

It would have been moronic for Brady to hand over his phone to people he did not trust, and had every reason not to trust. Hand over your personal information and personal conversations to those scumbags? Get the f out of here with that naive horse sh!t.

I'll bet those same people think it's a good idea to chat away with the police if you get arrested. Why not plead your case if you are innocent, right?

Dumb