Losing our 3rd rounder...

another farcical punishment for a non-football operation misstep...

neckroll#14 said:

NFL Stripping Patriots Of Third-Round Pick For Filming Sideline Stings A Bit Harder, As Belichick Faces Steep Challenge In 2021

In the steep climb back to the top of the AFC, the Patriots will be without their full assortment of kicks at the can. The NFL stripped the team of a third-round pick for that press box video incident in Cleveland late in the 2019 season.

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another farcical punishment for a non-football operation misstep...

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Said this when the "issue" first broke.

I had dinner with some friends the day this came out. One of the young men there was a videographer for another NFL team - did basically the same job as those Pats folks who made the video. He was in a press box when it broke and he and the others there, all similarly employed, started laughing at how stupid the whole thing was - said you can pretty much watch the same footage just by watching TV.

If it was anyone but the Pats, nothing would have come of this. And this guy most certainly was NOT a Pats fan.

If I were to go around saying I was Emperor because of some farcical aquatic ritual.........


Yeah it really stings this year because the pick would have been #77, not in the 90s as usual. Winovich was the 77th pick, Thuney was the 78th.

The Pats will get the 97th pick for letting the greatest QB in the history of the NFL go. Almost as bad a return as BB got for Chandler Jones!

FreeTedWilliams said:

If I were to go around saying I was Emperor because of some farcical aquatic ritual.........


Yeah it really stings this year because the pick would have been #77, not in the 90s as usual. Winovich was the 77th pick, Thuney was the 78th.

The Pats will get the 97th pick for letting the greatest QB in the history of the NFL go. Almost as bad a return as BB got for Chandler Jones!

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You mention Thuney and Chandler Jones... wasn't the return for Jones : Thuney himself ? Which was an excellent return...

This is Bill crap

Pathetic. This is the rest of the league confessing that they’re afraid of Bill. They worry that they can’t beat him straight up so they handicap him. Pathetic.

farn said:

You mention Thuney and Chandler Jones... wasn't the return for Jones : Thuney himself ? Which was an excellent return...

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a guard for the leader sacker in the NFL??

They traded Jones for Cooper (who never played a down) and a second rd pick that they sent to NO for a 3rd and 4th, which ended up being Thuney and Mitchell.

So they got Thuney and Mitchell for six games. Thuney is a good player, but the differnce between not having Tuney and having Jones is night and day.

Compare that with what the Raiders got for Khalil Mack.

dude made with that pick was going to suck anyway

fun thing is, it has not had anything to do with Bill, it was this Robert Kraft guy but lets say it was Bill, he knew everything about a non-football tv-show paid by Bobby Kraft was around there a week before they played the Bengals, fecking Bengals, who cares about them anyway?

what did the ravens get for the bluetooth headset? hmm nothing I guess, unfortunatelly you are not able to see the drop off in performance since the headset guy has been removed from the sideline, wait what? yeah right

FreeTedWilliams said:

a guard for the leader sacker in the NFL??

They traded Jones for Cooper (who never played a down) and a second rd pick that they sent to NO for a 3rd and 4th, which ended up being Thuney and Mitchell.

So they got Thuney and Mitchell for six games. Thuney is a good player, but the differnce between not having Tuney and having Jones is night and day.

Compare that with what the Raiders got for Khalil Mack.

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The also got ~$16m in cap space a year. Which they used to signed Gilmore.

So elite guard, defensive player of the year, and a WR who contributed to a SB win. Seems like a good trade off to me.

Considering they won in a SB in 2016 after they traded him, the last year of Jones' rookie contract, I think they came out massive winners.

Yeah we really could use that pick this year.

Next time maybe hire a crew that isn't stupid enough to point a video camera at another team's sideline.

sb1 said:

Yeah we really could use that pick this year.

Next time maybe hire a crew that isn't stupid enough to point a video camera at another team's sideline.

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Or the league could not rob the team of draft picks for trivial, non-football ops infractions (if it can even be called that).

The onus is on the league to be fair and consistent, not on the Patriots to toe some perfect, arbitrary, ambiguous, and constantly changing line.

neckroll#14 said:

NFL Stripping Patriots Of Third-Round Pick For Filming Sideline Stings A Bit Harder, As Belichick Faces Steep Challenge In 2021

In the steep climb back to the top of the AFC, the Patriots will be without their full assortment of kicks at the can. The NFL stripped the team of a third-round pick for that press box video incident in Cleveland late in the 2019 season.

boston.cbslocal.com

another farcical punishment for a non-football operation misstep...

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What's ridiculous, is that it wasn't even Patriots personnel doing the filming. It was the Kraft production company. And the BROWNS should have been the ones fined for not letting the Bengals know about the taping since it occurred at the Browns stadium. The BROWNS knew it was going on and the BROWNS were the ones who gave permission.

Also, considering that the NFL allows teams like the RAVENS to use the 360 Cameras in every stadium so people can look at the opposing sidelines with them it's farsical to claim the Patriots violated some non-existant rule.

dreighver said:

Or the league could not rob the team of draft picks for trivial, non-football ops infractions (if it can even be called that).

The onus is on the league to be fair and consistent, not on the Patriots to toe some perfect, arbitrary, ambiguous, and constantly changing line.

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This is really a 7th round pick violation, but since this is the 2nd time the league basically doubled the punishment. I do feel that the league should take intent into account when assessing penalties. The intent here seems clear that it wasn't to gain an advantage.

sb1 said:

Yeah we really could use that pick this year.

Next time maybe hire a crew that isn't stupid enough to point a video camera at another team's sideline.

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The NFL hires crews to do JUST THAT for every game. It's shown on the NFL 360. It was a HIGHLIGHT of the Ravens website. Every game. Every Down. You could watch the opposing sidelines with NO PROBLEM..

FreeTedWilliams said:

a guard for the leader sacker in the NFL??

They traded Jones for Cooper (who never played a down) and a second rd pick that they sent to NO for a 3rd and 4th, which ended up being Thuney and Mitchell.

So they got Thuney and Mitchell for six games. Thuney is a good player, but the differnce between not having Tuney and having Jones is night and day.

Compare that with what the Raiders got for Khalil Mack.

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Pretending Jones is in the class of Mack or that sacks are the best indication for a DE doesn’t make sense to me.

Jones was inconsistant, was always getting sacks « when it didn’t count » and showed up naked or semi-nude at a station.... I prefer Thuney and Mitchell (who you minimise, as he was a very key member of a SB win).

masterbouncer said:

fun thing is, it has not had anything to do with Bill, it was this Robert Kraft guy but lets say it was Bill, he knew everything about a non-football tv-show paid by Bobby Kraft was around there a week before they played the Bengals, fecking Bengals, who cares about them anyway?

what did the ravens get for the bluetooth headset? hmm nothing I guess, unfortunatelly you are not able to see the drop off in performance since the headset guy has been removed from the sideline, wait what? yeah right

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How about the fact that this occurred at the BROWNS stadium and that the BROWNS were notified and it was expected for the BROWNS to notify the Bengals since it was the BROWNS stadium..

Blaming the Patriots for the Browns screw-up is just laughable.. But then, that is Herr Gooddell for you.. Guy is a joke.

can we fight this?

DaBruinz said:

The NFL hires crews to do JUST THAT for every game. It's shown on the NFL 360. It was a HIGHLIGHT of the Ravens website. Every game. Every Down. You could watch the opposing sidelines with NO PROBLEM..

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This was a Kraft documentary crew. If the league had done it then I agree it's not a problem for the organization. Since it wasn't, it is a problem.

Don't point a camera at another team's sideline. It can't be that hard can it?

If the Jets had done this, Goddell probably awards them another first rounder lol.