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Zolak isn't close to being the be all end all when it comes to Film breakdowns. And he's been wrong as much as he's been right about players.

The 2 "targets" to Harry were poorly thrown balls that had no chance of getting to him. One was thrown behind him and into the ground. The other wasn't close either. There were several other plays where Cam flat out missed him when he was open.
The one that was picked, the DB was in his hip pocket, closed, and out-muscled him for the ball so badly that Harry couldn’t even try to bat it down. The ball that was intercepted, Harry ran right into the inside leverage. Further, a first round wideout on year two in the system, who was constantly facing single coverage, should have a LOT more than two targets in a game. He didn’t. Why? Because he’s slow off the line and can’t beat man. If he’s pressed, he’s DOA.

Answer the question I asked you before. Yes or no - has he lived up to expectations thus far in your opinion?
 
The one that was picked, the DB was in his hip pocket, closed, and out-muscled him for the ball so badly that Harry couldn’t even try to bat it down. The ball that was intercepted, Harry ran right into the inside leverage. Further, a first round wideout on year two in the system, who was constantly facing single coverage, should have a LOT more than two targets in a game. He didn’t. Why? Because he’s slow off the line and can’t beat man. If he’s pressed, he’s DOA.

Answer the question I asked you before. Yes or no - has he lived up to expectations thus far in your opinion?

Please convert him to a tight end like Aaron Hernandez and tell him if he wants a career in the NFL, he better learn to block linebackers.
 
Please convert him to a tight end like Aaron Hernandez and tell him if he wants a career in the NFL, he better learn to block linebackers.
Heh. When he was a rookie last season, I said his ceiling was Anquan Boldin.

In retrospect, I’d like to take this time to apologize to Boldin for that.
 
Speed is God given. Sure, he can work on it and maybe improve it a bit, but he isn’t all of a sudden gonna be fast. In terms of his route running, to have NFL starting WR footwork caliber ability to run crisp routes and have the twitch to shake a CB isn’t something anyone can just learn by working on it. There’s thousands of WRs in college and not many have that ability. Harry wasn’t a good route runner in college, he got to the NFL on his size and what he did in college once he had the ball in his hand.
You do not need speed to be successful. It helps, but the league is littered with guys who have speed and accomplish nothing more than the lumbering Harry.

Technique can be improved upon. Better routes can be run. I'm not saying anything new or revolutionary here.

And you are 100% dead wrong saying that an athlete cannot improve twitch muscles. It will take you 30 seconds or less to Google it... I suggest you do...

If Harry wants to be successful as a wr in the nfl, he needs to put in the work. It's that simple.
 
He's not good. And I don't think he'll ever be good. I'll give it another few weeks but the guy has been a total non factor.
 
To this point I'm still waiting to see something that screams 1st round talent, and I simply haven't seen it. I'm not labeling him, but I am also not inspired by anything I've seen.
 
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You do not need speed to be successful. It helps, but the league is littered with guys who have speed and accomplish nothing more than the lumbering Harry.

Technique can be improved upon. Better routes can be run. I'm not saying anything new or revolutionary here.

And you are 100% dead wrong saying that an athlete cannot improve twitch muscles. It will take you 30 seconds or less to Google it... I suggest you do...

If Harry wants to be successful as a wr in the nfl, he needs to put in the work. It's that simple.
I’m not saying he can’t improve, I believe he can, but it’s not given that by putting extra work in he’ll gain the cutting and route running ability needed to succeed.
 
Zolak isn't close to being the be all end all when it comes to Film breakdowns. And he's been wrong as much as he's been right about players.

The 2 "targets" to Harry were poorly thrown balls that had no chance of getting to him. One was thrown behind him and into the ground. The other wasn't close either. There were several other plays where Cam flat out missed him when he was open.
I’ll trust an ex-player who calls every Pats game opinion over someone on a fan forum. And it’s not just Zolak who isn’t impressed with Harry. Fauria has spoken about his issues also.
 
Still not giving up on the kid, but frankly we have to look at who's developing these receivers. It's not like Harry was an unknown the Pats just plucked out of nowhere in the first round. He was in the top 3 in most WR rankings heading into the draft. He should be more productive and we've seen glimpses of the physical tools he posses that suggest he could be a productive receiver.

Harry had major red flags and most experts did not have him marked as a first round talent.

The scouting reports regarding Harry were spot on.

"Team sources call Harry not real twitchy or explosive. They worry about how he is not fast in and out of breaks and don't see suddenness. Some sources said that Harry reminded them of Ole Miss wideout Laquon Treadwell, who is currently headed toward bust status for the Vikings. Some other sources say they are grading Harry on the second day of the 2019 NFL Draft. One team source said they originally planned on grading Harry in Round 2, but were lowering him to the third round."


In comparison read Deebo Samuels scouting report


"As a receiver, Samuel is impressive. His speed and play-making skills with the ball in his hands eclipse that he is a really talented wideout. He runs good routes and consistently uses his speed to achieve separation. Samuel is very dangerous on quick slants and running go routes down the sideline. Samuel is very adept at tracking the ball in the air and plays it well. He high points the ball and times his hands nicely to make catches over defensive backs. Samuel has soft hands and catches the ball with his hands naturally. He is also an aggressive receiver who isn't afraid of contact.

What really sets Samuel apart is how dangerous he is with the ball in his hands. He has excellent vision to weave around defenders and can use his speed to rip off yards in chunks. He has quick feet along with the cutting ability to stop-start or stutter step, and a strong frame to run through arm tackles. When the ball hits Samuel on the run, he is a big problem for defenders because he is tough to grab in the open field with his shifty moves. Samuel has enough speed to run away from defenders and take a catch the distance. Samuel is superb on screens and jet sweeps to race through the defense.

Samuel looks very versatile for the NFL. He could line up as an outside receiver and play the X - split end - to challenge teams vertically. Samuel also is dangerous out of the slot and could be a tough receiver to defend on underneath routes. With his size and speed, Samuel also could take some carries out of the backfield. On top of his offensive skills, Samuel is a dynamic returner who should contribute on special teams. In the 2019 NFL Draft, Samuel has a slim chance of being picked in the back half of the first round and probably will not get out of the second round if he makes it to Friday night."


Also AJ Browns scouting report


“Slot bully with rare combination of brawn and quickness that allows him to separate with both power and foot quickness. Brown has the size and demeanor to take on a relatively heavy workload as a safety blanket for a young quarterback in a ball-control passing attack. He'll see an upgrade in athlete across from him, but he has the feet and body control to uncover and create windows as a premium route-runner.”

DK Metcalf's scouting report



"The things that really set Metcalf apart are mismatch size and speed. He has excellent height and strength to be a size problem on the perimeter. That size makes him tough to tackle and a threat to make any reception as he can win 50-50 passes over defensive backs. He is a red zone-weapon who could be a point producer as a pro.

Metcalf also has freakish straight-line speed, and that was illustrated at the NFL Scouting Combine when he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.33 seconds. Off the line of scrimmage, Metcalf is very fast at running straight go routes down the field, and he can burn defensive backs by just running by them. He is a threat to score on any reception as once he has the ball in his hands because he can run away from the defense. Metcalf tracks the ball very well, using late hands to make receptions. He shows nice concentration and ability to make one-handed catches."
 
I’m not saying he can’t improve, I believe he can, but it’s not given that by putting extra work in he’ll gain the cutting and route running ability needed to succeed.
one thing is true... he wont get better if he doesn't

I hope he succeeds. I like the kid.
 
Harry had major red flags and most experts did not have him marked as a first round talent.

The scouting reports regarding Harry were spot on.

"Team sources call Harry not real twitchy or explosive. They worry about how he is not fast in and out of breaks and don't see suddenness. Some sources said that Harry reminded them of Ole Miss wideout Laquon Treadwell, who is currently headed toward bust status for the Vikings. Some other sources say they are grading Harry on the second day of the 2019 NFL Draft. One team source said they originally planned on grading Harry in Round 2, but were lowering him to the third round."


In comparison read Deebo Samuels scouting report


"As a receiver, Samuel is impressive. His speed and play-making skills with the ball in his hands eclipse that he is a really talented wideout. He runs good routes and consistently uses his speed to achieve separation. Samuel is very dangerous on quick slants and running go routes down the sideline. Samuel is very adept at tracking the ball in the air and plays it well. He high points the ball and times his hands nicely to make catches over defensive backs. Samuel has soft hands and catches the ball with his hands naturally. He is also an aggressive receiver who isn't afraid of contact.

What really sets Samuel apart is how dangerous he is with the ball in his hands. He has excellent vision to weave around defenders and can use his speed to rip off yards in chunks. He has quick feet along with the cutting ability to stop-start or stutter step, and a strong frame to run through arm tackles. When the ball hits Samuel on the run, he is a big problem for defenders because he is tough to grab in the open field with his shifty moves. Samuel has enough speed to run away from defenders and take a catch the distance. Samuel is superb on screens and jet sweeps to race through the defense.

Samuel looks very versatile for the NFL. He could line up as an outside receiver and play the X - split end - to challenge teams vertically. Samuel also is dangerous out of the slot and could be a tough receiver to defend on underneath routes. With his size and speed, Samuel also could take some carries out of the backfield. On top of his offensive skills, Samuel is a dynamic returner who should contribute on special teams. In the 2019 NFL Draft, Samuel has a slim chance of being picked in the back half of the first round and probably will not get out of the second round if he makes it to Friday night."


Also AJ Browns scouting report


“Slot bully with rare combination of brawn and quickness that allows him to separate with both power and foot quickness. Brown has the size and demeanor to take on a relatively heavy workload as a safety blanket for a young quarterback in a ball-control passing attack. He'll see an upgrade in athlete across from him, but he has the feet and body control to uncover and create windows as a premium route-runner.”

DK Metcalf's scouting report



"The things that really set Metcalf apart are mismatch size and speed. He has excellent height and strength to be a size problem on the perimeter. That size makes him tough to tackle and a threat to make any reception as he can win 50-50 passes over defensive backs. He is a red zone-weapon who could be a point producer as a pro.

Metcalf also has freakish straight-line speed, and that was illustrated at the NFL Scouting Combine when he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.33 seconds. Off the line of scrimmage, Metcalf is very fast at running straight go routes down the field, and he can burn defensive backs by just running by them. He is a threat to score on any reception as once he has the ball in his hands because he can run away from the defense. Metcalf tracks the ball very well, using late hands to make receptions. He shows nice concentration and ability to make one-handed catches."
effing san francisco... first stealing jerry rice and now deeboo samuel right from under our noses... :haha:
 
He's Laquon Treadwell.
I have to confess I thought Treadwell was the real deal. Guy was a beast at Ole Miss - at least until the horrible injury.
 
effing san francisco... first stealing jerry rice and now deeboo samuel right from under our noses... :haha:

Harry had no business being drafted over AJ Brown. Brown is the perfect fit for our offense
 
Convert him to a tight end and get zuber more reps. I have better trust in undrafted wide receivers than the ones we draft as historically we seem to suck in drafting receivers. For starters they should fire the wide receiver scouts...How can we be so abysmal....Don't blame Brady for leaving... He saw the writing on the wall a while back. Maybe we need to hire a solid wide receivers coach from college.

Our draft busts are catching up now. We got lucky with last year and this year ( harry exception) . But others have been such a miss. We just had a generational talent with gronk and moss, welker, edelman. Without these playmakers josh is really scrambling to do anything significant .

Yesterday with no practice its understandable , but inability to separate i believe is more on fundamentals . And harry got beat out by undrafted rookie cornerbacks...That's not on..
 
The one that was picked, the DB was in his hip pocket, closed, and out-muscled him for the ball so badly that Harry couldn’t even try to bat it down. The ball that was intercepted, Harry ran right into the inside leverage. Further, a first round wideout on year two in the system, who was constantly facing single coverage, should have a LOT more than two targets in a game. He didn’t. Why? Because he’s slow off the line and can’t beat man. If he’s pressed, he’s DOA.

Answer the question I asked you before. Yes or no - has he lived up to expectations thus far in your opinion?

NO!

Do you think he is better from Y1 to Y2? Answer the question Yes or No.
 
Kristian Wilkerson might be better..
 
Please convert him to a tight end like Aaron Hernandez and tell him if he wants a career in the NFL, he better learn to block linebackers.
You're insulting Aaron's ability. He was juking guys out of their shoes. He was awesome in the open field.
 
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