[PSU clarifies - no athletes have this condition - misunderstanding] OT: PSU says myocarditis found in 35% of C19-positive Big 10 athletes

QuantumMechanic said:

Well that's not good.

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And that's what really has a lot of people worried. Healthy people survive the overwhelming majority of the time, but lingering effects to heart and kidney function have been reported from day 1. You'd think athletes that spend most of their time working out would be spared most of the worst of a disease like CoVID, but that apparently isn't the case.

NYCPATS4LIFE said:

What about steroids? These college kids use drugs in campuses.

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Definitely a possible confounding variable. Either way, until we sort the causation out from the correlation, this is something we as a nation need to be taking seriously.

Normal for the heart to respond that way after fighting off infection, and most cases heals itself. But keep on with the fear mongering.

Ian said:

While it hasn’t happened yet, let’s keep this thread about how this might play out with the NFL and avoid any politics, etc. Again, any political references could result in a thread ban, so please be mindful of that.

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TomPatriot's translation: Let's keep the crazy people (yes, you know who you are) in the loony bin forum.

Ian said:

While it hasn’t happened yet, let’s keep this thread about how this might play out with the NFL and avoid any politics, etc. Again, any political references could result in a thread ban, so please be mindful of that.

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Bradybranch said:

Normal for the heart to respond that way after fighting off infection, and most cases heals itself. But keep on with the fear mongering.

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I would have to believe the medical professionals involved wouldn’t be concerned if there wasn’t a reason to be. It’s ok for this virus to be recognized as dangerous, it doesn’t have to be related to anything other than what it actually is. It doesn’t need to simply be dismissed and I think studies like these are good examples of why some players did opt out.

Yikes. That is some bad stuff.

Players concerned with this are free to opt out. And they have. Players who want to play, can play.

Relatedly, OSU's sports cardiology department did a 3-month study of Big 10 athletes (study currently in peer review) and found that 15% of the C19-positive athletes they tested had myocarditis. (And almost all the C19-positive athletes in the study and no or very mild outward symptoms.)

Here is probably a better article. COVID-19 Can Wreck Your Heart, Even if You Haven’t Had Any Symptoms

Many issues with trying to calculate actual prevalence following exposure and correlation with severity. With that being said, yearly we have some football player (HS/college) die of cardiac related issue (frequently in pre-season), and likely secondary to a cardiomyopathy related arrhythmia. I would probably advise any athlete to avoid competitive sports and associated training for 3+ months after COVID +, not dissimilar to recommendation we give athletes who play contact sports who have mono (due to risk of splenic rupture).

So does this study have a control group? What percentage of non-covid19-infected athletes have myocarditis?

It's a benign virus. The doomers gonna doom. At least they stay in the basement.

Gone to 3 restaurants just this week. No mask.

Star56 said:

It's a benign virus. The doomers gonna doom. At least they stay in the basement.

Gone to 3 restaurants just this week. No mask.

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I'd argue with you - but I'm not going to go there. All I will say is please shift the discussion back to football and not your belief on masks, the virus, etc. I fall into the category of the fact it's significant enough to have killed 180k people in the US including people on this board who have lost friends/loved ones. That and studies are already revealing many are dealing with effects after being infected.

That brings us back to the topic of the thread, which is how this study, which includes athletes who are suffering a setback because of this, might also affect athletes in the NFL. Not anyone's feelings on masks,etc. That's not relevant to the topic at hand.

Let's pump the brakes on this nonsense scare mongering, shall we...
Read the jaw-dropping myocarditis report Thursday morning? Turned out it's incorrect

Penn State says no players have myocarditis, clarifies Dr. Wayne Sebastianelli’s statement about conference results

FCB02062 said:

Let's pump the brakes on this nonsense scare mongering, shall we...
Read the jaw-dropping myocarditis report Thursday morning? Turned out it's incorrect

Penn State says no players have myocarditis, clarifies Dr. Wayne Sebastianelli’s statement about conference results

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So they're saying that in reality, none of the players have this condition, and the doctor was talking about remembering a different study someone else did and he himself misremembered that separate study? This is one long ass game of telephone considering it's a really sensitive topic...

Cardiac complications occur following COVID-19 infections even in asymptomatic patients. Any activity that stresses the heart will increase the risk of further damage during the convalescent phase. There is ZERO doubt that this virus can cause myocarditis, and at a frequency far greater than expected following a respiratory infection. We are only scratching the surface as to what frequency because individuals with no symptoms are not routinely being tested (because there is no reason to).

What is UNKNOWN is the long term ramifications of such infections even in a perfectly healthy asymptomatic young adult. The bigger problem is that there is nothing from a treatment perspective that can be done even if someone was found to have myocarditis. All we can offer is advice for risk reduction until the heart is completely healed (3-6 months).

I don't think it's a coincidence that this heavily refuted report on myocarditis came out mere days after a certain elected head of state talked w big 10 officials and brokered an agreement to reconsider not playing Big 10 football and will likely lead to a football season for the Big 10...

Ross12 said:

So they're saying that in reality, none of the players have this condition, and the doctor was talking about remembering a different study someone else did and he himself misremembered that separate study? This is one long ass game of telephone considering it's a really sensitive topic...

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Unfortunately, in our modern society of selling fear and pandemic porn, all the media cares about is generating a sufficiently scary clickbait headline. Facts be damned.

Star56 said:

It's a benign virus. The doomers gonna doom. At least they stay in the basement.

Gone to 3 restaurants just this week. No mask.

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Ian already hit the nail on the head, but please tell the 191K (soon to be 200K) families & friends that have lost a loved one that COVID is "benign".

Have you lost someone close to you to another ailment? Cancer? Heart disease? Auto accident? How would you feel if I claimed any of those things are "benign"?

We really just need honest reporting on this kind of stuff.

People ran away with this report without any context. That should be telling.