NBC layoffs - Media discussion

XLIX said:

How that guy even actually has a job in this market remains a complete mystery. He literally is responsible for writing the biggest story in Boston sports history that was later proven to be completely false.

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I was unfamiliar with what you were referencing so went and read up on it --- that is unreal.

The amount of totally inept "talent" in sports media is mind-numbing...it's no wonder nobody is willing to pay for content!

Has Bob Costas been laid off yet? Who else is tired of his SNF halftime show political rants that have very little, if any, to do with the actual game or weekend?

wizwor said:

When I was a kid, the media loved the home teams. Guys like Eddie Andelman worshipped the players and loved the fans. Now the media exists to tear down our heroes. If the team wins, it didn't win convincingly enough. The season is lost if it can't be perfect. Anyone going to shed a tear when Felger is fired? Mazz? Right. LAY-THEM-ALL-OFF and hire some fans.

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Would love to see those clowns off the air, but they bring in great ratings, so they won’t be going anywhere.

TheRainMaker said:

Has Bob Costas been laid off yet? Who else is tired of his SNF halftime show political rants that have very little, if any, to do with the actual game or weekend?

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He left like a year ago.

Froob said:

He left like a year ago.

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I just looked it up. I didn't even notice.

By the way, nice Avatar.

wizwor said:

The season is lost if it can't be perfect.

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Overreaction and hyperbole [see Shaughnessy] dominate. Nothing to do with reality or sports, only spin and image.

wizwor said:

When I was a kid, the media loved the home teams. Guys like Eddie Andelman worshipped the players and loved the fans.

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This is called 'normal'.

And healthy.

This is what normal people do in normal towns and communities.

wizwor said:

Now the media exists to tear down our heroes.

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Boston media rightly believed they got their good reputation based upon objectivity and substance; however this mutated into anti-home team and anti-home player hysteria (masquerading as non-homerism).

The fake drug 'scandal' broke after Super Bowl XX is a good example. The Patriots did not indulge in any greater recreational drug use than any other team.

Another good example is Lisa Olson. Yes, in a perfect world, Zeke Mowatt gets dressed, quietly approaches her and says, "I'm sorry to disturb you, Miss, but the players are quite sensitive about being watched while they're undressed, and I know you're doing your job, but we ask that you please be careful about where you're looking."

Now, maybe earlier that year the Bruins either didn't notice or didn't mind, but Olson did ogle the Patriots players, then launched into Super-Victim mode, becoming the most ridiculous icon for women's empowerment since Phyllis Schlafly. Local Boston media (except McDonough) took it into orbit, and the NFL did not treat the incident with the kind of spin/nonattention they did with horrific misogynous actions by the Giants, Cowboys, etc.

Bill Belichick was hated in Cleveland; however there were no cheating allegations there.

Fake cheating allegations against the Patriots, yes, were jihad-ized by new Commissioner Goodell from 2007 to this day; but they are NOT a result of team success. They began with the Snow Game and in Pittsburgh a week later in 2002, which were preceded by zero Patriots championships.

wizwor said:

Anyone going to shed a tear when Felger is fired? Mazz?

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The are nothing but unlistenable lunacy. They cater to what they believe are regular listeners, the majority demographic and for that time slot. It's shocking and sad to me, as I saw both of them submit legit work in the past, which is now decades ago.

Bill Lee said:

The media is mirroring the fan base.

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The media is mirroring a specific segment of the fan base. Not even a majority.

There's nothing wrong per se about complaining about or disliking a player, even unjustly.

All home team fans are unhappy when they lose. Being abusively and absurdly negative and critical is not limited to Boston [see **** Young/NY] but it's no secret among pro players that this city can be toxic.

Too often generalizations are made about groups that are based upon only a portion, hardly the majority.

One instance of complete unanimity is us, all Patriots fans, and our choice we made in person in our packed stadium on September 23rd, 1979.

luuked said:

We got to a point where annual AFCCGs were a banality and a SB appearance the expectation.

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For me, I've thought this way about the Patriots ever since 1974.

Winning is the obvious and intrinsic goal for any fan; my intensity is merely increased due to derision of the franchise since its inception.

luuked said:

Entitlement and a false sense of how thin the margins of victory even again bad teams often are made the last couple of years often frustrating.

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Boston fans have suffered from this forever. The Celtics are merely the greatest dynasty, ever. In 1967 the Red Sox had a renaissance which has not let up. Bobby Orr came, saw, and conquered, and the Bruins' fans have desired nothing less than a Cup ever since.

The Patriots this decade have deserved high expectations since Brady became the starter. They could/should have won even more Super Bowls than they did.

Understandably, SOME fans are arrogant and spoiled. NOT all. We're very lucky that we continue to have a great chance to be competitive in all the four major team sports.

Just don't paint an entire fan base based upon the attitude of a portion of them.

DaBruinz said:

Whomever decided that Tomase was worth keeping should be fired. That guy is complete garbage. Has been since he worked at the Lawrence Eagle Tribune.

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Totally agree. He must have made the cut by default. They didn't have anyone else covering the Sox (no point anyways this year, they sux) so they had to keep Jabba the Hut. Ugh, such a disgusting fat bastard.

Actual Pats Fan said:

Just don't paint an entire fan base based upon the attitude of a portion of them.

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I never said it is the entire fanbase. But given that his board seems to be a good representative sample it is not a trivial amount either.

One-If-By-Sea said:

You think the Globe puts a priority on telling stories that are true? If they did Tomase would be gone.

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John Tomase has never worked at the Globe. He wrote for the Herald when his Spygate lie story was written and remained there for a number of years after that. He then went to WEEI and subsequently to NBC Sports Boston.

luuked said:

I never said it is the entire fanbase. But given that his board seems to be a good representative sample it is not a trivial amount either.

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The media definitely chooses to cater to them. Maybe they're louder (& more obnoxious) than the rest of the fans.

Froob said:

He left like a year ago.

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Bob Costas lands at CNN after leaving NBC over football head injury criticism

Costas just joined CNN.

Kenneth Sims said:

Bob Costas lands at CNN after leaving NBC over football head injury criticism

Costas just joined CNN.

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Good. I am glad he brought his self-righteous sanctimony to a network I don't watch instead of being on during NFL games.

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Bill Lee said:

The media is mirroring the fan base. Our game day thread is not filled with hero worship in case you didn't notice. We've had the best team EVER in the NFL and people here love taking shots at the coach/GM, GOAT, etc rather than being grateful for what they've delivered over twenty years. Felger and Mazz know that hero worship is nowhere near as engaging as hero denigration. They're just mirroring us. Most people's day to day life is more about *****ing and moaning than about praise and gratitude. We've met the enemy, and they is us. If we want change, it has to start with us.

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Which is why you never see me in those threads.

I've been listening to and reading Felger since he was on some tiny North Shore radio station in the mid 90s with Kevin Winter and Felger's "big" Patriots weekly guest was punter Josh Miller. In those days, Felger was still the same, knife twisting, pot stirring, jezebel that he is today - BUT, one thing I liked is that he NEVER talked politics. Politics NEVER entered the discussion on any of his shows.
And frankly, he really stayed away from politics up until the bad orange man got elected. IIRC, Felger even "defended" Tim Thomas' decision not to attend a Stanley Cup White House Ceremony with Obama. Mind you, Thomas' decision was met with absolute scorn by the Boston and national media - simply google "Tim Thomas White House" and you'll see a myriad of narratives ripping into Thomas....funny how the media went from ripping one of the best goaltenders of the modern era to praising players for missing White House ceremonies - all in the span of 6 short years...Shows the duplicity and the disgusting, vile nature of today's media - sports and political.
Based on Felger's avoidance of anything political up until the last few years, his recent "openness" to discuss politics on his show is based either on a.) he is a true leftist and simply couldn't deny himself his part in the "resistance" OR, the higher ups at NBC and 98.5 directed him to discuss social justice and politics. If it's the later, then laid off NBC sports "personalities" are simply reaping what their bosses sowed when they switched from pushing sports to pushing leftist social justice and Marxist political ideas and viewers stopped watching the political preaching from talking head fools.

Tomasshole is still winning.

Not sure athletes or recording artists even need bspn?? So many ways to get content out. Get a few people in the biz with production, distribution etc and do it yourselves??


Also talk about timing ...

Bill Lee said:

It comes down to: How many people do we need talking about the same event?

Look at Twitter any time something pretty minor happens, a deluge of tweets about the same thing pops up.

What kind of viewership does "NBC Boston" get? I have no idea, I'm a cord cutter.

I follow Curran on Twitter so occasionally get vectored off to their web site, other than that, they're invisible to me.

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For context, I just counted 9 sports media tweets about NE picking up a 5th round CB that Detroit was about to cut, Micheal Jackson (hee, hee!).

I'm only following around 200 people on Twitter spread out across my various interests (i.e. maybe 50 or so are sports media sources).

Yet they all gotta chime in to stay 'relevant'.

Elated that Tanguay is finally gone, but Ton-ass, Kusnierek & Bean still drawing checks is a disgrace.