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Players who have won championships are as of more likely to want to win another than players hanging around to “chase” one.
Clips of players such as Steve Young vs clips of HT’s third championship show a difference. I’m sure the hunger to keep winning still remains for true competitors, but I do believe stars who’ve never won are more desperate to get that ring than the NE players who already have three.
 
lol conspiracy theory? I pointed out that its odd Patriot players are opting out at a much higher rate than other teams (so far), and asked the question on if there could be any correlation to Brady not being here anymore

Players might be on the fence about a decision, and losing the GOAT QB might help make that decision easier for them

I find your supposition logical & plausible.

There's certainly ample evidence of players trying to get to Tampa to play with TB12, and it makes sense that his departure would be a factor for some players in their decision making process.

Only one team lost the greatest QB/player in NFL history this year...

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...but "the babies"!
 
- The numbers in the US are fictitious as well. From the claim that there have been 160K deaths to the total number infected (4.6M). Even the CDC has said that there have been less than 60K deaths where COVID was the actual COD.

Forget about why people are supposed to have died, which depends on them being positively diagnosed with COVID-19. Instead look at excess deaths based on the hard numbers of deaths reported by the CDC (bit tricky as there is a consistent lag in death reporting) compared to expected deaths for the time of year, and you see that in fact COVID-related deaths have been significantly underreported by around 50%. (Now that doesn't distinguish between actual COVID deaths and increased deaths from people being slower to go to ER and reduced deaths from accidents and car crashes), but it's still the accepted way of calculating the impact of a pandemic.




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Apparently this year there won't be a limit on how many players can return from IR and they can after 3 weeks:



Thanks for sharing, I had seen this discussed during the initial negotiations and was wondering if it actually became a part of the agreement.
 
Forget about why people are supposed to have died, which depends on them being positively diagnosed with COVID-19. Instead look at excess deaths based on the hard numbers of deaths reported by the CDC (bit tricky as there is a consistent lag in death reporting) compared to expected deaths for the time of year, and you see that in fact COVID-related deaths have been significantly underreported by around 50%. (Now that doesn't distinguish between actual COVID deaths and increased deaths from people being slower to go to ER and reduced deaths from accidents and car crashes), but it's still the accepted way of calculating the impact of a pandemic.




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Thanks for posting this.

Comparing the actual number of deaths to the average expected number is pretty smart and should shut down any conspiracy theories about over-reporting. It also explains why that narrative never was adopted by the current administration: too easy to prove wrong with data.
 
Forget about why people are supposed to have died, which depends on them being positively diagnosed with COVID-19. Instead look at excess deaths based on the hard numbers of deaths reported by the CDC (bit tricky as there is a consistent lag in death reporting) compared to expected deaths for the time of year, and you see that in fact COVID-related deaths have been significantly underreported by around 50%. (Now that doesn't distinguish between actual COVID deaths and increased deaths from people being slower to go to ER and reduced deaths from accidents and car crashes), but it's still the accepted way of calculating the impact of a pandemic.




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This is an incredibly intellectually bankrupt way to evaluate Covid deaths. If we define "excess deaths" the same way the above argument does (i.e. simply by looking at how many more people died from all causes this year versus last year) then the U.S. has averaged over 46,000 "excess deaths" per year from 2010 to 2018 (with a standard deviation of over 22,000). One year, 2015, had 86,212 "excess deaths" when compared to 2014.

So even if there was no Covid, we still would expect tens of thousands of "excess deaths" by this point of the year. As such, it is a fallacy to claim "we have 210,000 excess deaths this year, therefore they are all attributable to Covid." It is perfectly reasonable to say that out of 210,000 excess deaths we've seen this year, 155,000 are from Covid and 55,000 are from other causes which would have happened anyway.
 
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This is an incredibly intellectually bankrupt way to evaluate Covid deaths. If we define "excess deaths" the same way the above argument does (i.e. simply by looking at how many more people died from all causes this year versus last year) then the U.S. has averaged over 46,000 "excess deaths" per year from 2010 to 2018 (with a standard deviation of over 22,000). One year, 2015, had 86,212 "excess deaths" when compared to 2014.

So even if there was no Covid, we still would expect tens of thousands of "excess deaths" by this point of the year. As such, it is a fallacy to claim "we have 210,000 excess deaths this year, therefore they are all attributable to Covid." It is perfectly reasonable to say that out of 210,000 excess deaths we've seen this year, 155,000 are from Covid and 55,000 are from other causes which would have happened anyway.

It is not intellectually bankrupt at all. The entire thing is based pretty much on the most standard statistical test you can find, where you simply compare the means of two samples. It answers if there is a significant difference in deaths between those two given a certain level of confidence (i.e. the samples have not come from the same normally distributed population).

It shows in statistical terms that this year is a total outlier relative to previous years. And since the main difference between this year and the past is the fact that 2020 has COVID it is a pretty reasonable and valid assumption to point to that as the main cause.

Is it the only cause ? No, but that expected standard deviation in "excess deaths" is already baked into all of this. That's also why they give you a confidence interval for their projection of COVID deaths (213k - 227k).

Now if you want to stand here and just claim that the difference between the official count (155k) and their confidence interval is unrelated and mostly made up of different causes than the global pandemic that "coincidentally" is happening go ahead but there is not any evidence for that.

What exactly caused those additional deaths while more people than ever spend most of their time at home and limit contact with others ? Is there another epidemic happening in the US that we are not aware of ?
 
lol conspiracy theory? I pointed out that its odd Patriot players are opting out at a much higher rate than other teams (so far), and asked the question on if there could be any correlation to Brady not being here anymore

Players might be on the fence about a decision, and losing the GOAT QB might help make that decision easier for them
No. They have their own lives and careers. Brady being here or not isn’t going to override that.
 
Clips of players such as Steve Young vs clips of HT’s third championship show a difference. I’m sure the hunger to keep winning still remains for true competitors, but I do believe stars who’ve never won are more desperate to get that ring than the NE players who already have three.
We disagree. That’s fine.
 
It is not intellectually bankrupt at all. The entire thing is based pretty much on the most standard statistical test you can find, where you simply compare the means of two samples.
Except that's not even remotely what he is doing. He is not taking means of 2 samples and comparing them. He is taking total deaths in the U.S. in 2020 (through July 29) and comparing it to total deaths in the U.S. in 2019 (through July 29). His conclusion is "there are roughly 220,000 more deaths this year than last year, therefore they are all Covid related deaths."

That is intellectually bankrupt when one considers that totals deaths increases every year even without Covid by an amount well into the tens of thousands.
It shows in statistical terms that this year is a total outlier relative to previous years. And since the main difference between this year and the past is the fact that 2020 has COVID it is a pretty reasonable and valid assumption to point to that as the main cause.
Yes, Covid is the main cause but the fault in his/your logic is you are assuming Covid is the only cause. As I established, prior to Covid, this number increases by tens of thousands annually.

It is perfectly reasonable to say, for example, "Covid is probably responsible for about 75% of that increase, with the remaining 25% being the typical increase we would see in a typical year."
Now if you want to stand here and just claim that the difference between the official count (155k) and their confidence interval is unrelated and mostly made up of different causes than the global pandemic that "coincidentally" is happening go ahead but there is not any evidence for that.
Yes there is evidence for that. The evidence is that every year since 2010 until last year, we see an average of 46,000 more deaths in the U.S. than the previous year, with that number being 86,000 just a few short years ago. So like I said.... even if there was no Covid, at this point of the year, we would expect tens of thousands more deaths in the U.S. when compared to the same point last year.

Regardless, I don't think you understand the point I am making. So I will close by saying I will go with totals provided by Johns Hopkins and the CDC over the totals provided by "Magilla Gorilla" on Twitter.
 
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Derek Carr tired of being "disrespected" - ProFootballTalk

Heehee. Carr never considered opting out because he has lots to prove. And he seems to have a chip, as he feels « disrespected ». I’d love to hear his argument as to why he should be RESPECTED (unless he is bypassing football and is a fine community person...).
 


Could be waiting to see if the Bills will make it worth the risk this season. $$
Doubt that he will opt out, but I wouldn't hate it if he did.
 


Could be waiting to see if the Bills will make it worth the risk this season. $$
Doubt that he will opt out, but I wouldn't hate it if he did.


Other Buffalo beat guys sound way more pessimistic than you:



 
Thanks for posting this.

Comparing the actual number of deaths to the average expected number is pretty smart and should shut down any conspiracy theories about over-reporting. It also explains why that narrative never was adopted by the current administration: too easy to prove wrong with data.



Isn't the current administration always wrong? So we don't need anymore proof.
 
There's certainly ample evidence of players trying to get to Tampa to play with TB12, and it makes sense that his departure would be a factor for some players in their decision making process.
Only one team lost the greatest QB/player in NFL history this year...
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Hahahaha. Really? What is your "ample evidence"? His good buddy Robert "Boys just wanna have fun" Gronkowski and a past-his-prime McCoy, who was so impressive in practice and games last year that he played a total of 1 snap in the playoffs and likely didn't have many, or perhaps any, other options?

Schefter's tweet was likely a plant from either the Brady camp or the Bucs, but time has proven it to be bullsh*t. As demonstrated by the Bucs' transaction list, free agents clearly weren't drooling over the possibility of playing with a declining GOAT.

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Hahahaha. Really? What is your "ample evidence"? His good buddy Robert "Boys just wanna have fun" Gronkowski and a past-his-prime McCoy, who was so impressive in practice and games last year that he played a total of 1 snap in the playoffs and likely didn't have many, or perhaps any, other options?

Schefter's tweet was likely a plant from either the Brady camp or the Bucs, but time has proven it to be bullsh*t. As demonstrated by the Bucs' transaction list, free agents clearly weren't drooling over the possibility of playing with a declining GOAT.

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Buc's phone was ringing off the hook man...it's common knowledge.

..."likely a plant"...LOL...where's your "evidence" man?
 


Could be waiting to see if the Bills will make it worth the risk this season. $$
Doubt that he will opt out, but I wouldn't hate it if he did.


That would be like us losing Gilmore. Massive loss for the Bills and would make defending our division title much easier.
 
Buc's phone was ringing off the hook man...it's common knowledge.

..."likely a plant"...LOL...where's your "evidence" man?

Oh, it's "common knowledge"? Why didn't you say that in the first place?! My bad. I stand corrected.

An of course you are correct that agents and teams never ever feed reporters BS, in order to carry out their agenda. Ever. It clearly doesn't matter that the Bucs didn't actually sign any name free agents other than McCoy bc their phone was totally ringing off the hook. Totally.
 
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