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Teams worry that opt-out privilege isn't being used in good faith - ProFootballTalk

Pretty much what I reported earlier, the $150k is in essence free money for players about to be cut.

Also they are saying some agents are seen as using the threat of opting out to get a better contract for their player: Give me more money or I opt out.

Florio suggests there's nothing wrong with that, the risks are higher, so the pay should be higher.

IMO the owners want to close the window as soon as possible so they can keep the hope for a new season alive as long as possible.
 
This is a little concerning.

Seems to me they're hearing there will be many ore opt outs and they want official word of it as quickly as possible. Likely to make big decisions sooner so they don't waste money.

I mean why else be in a rush to move the deadline up a couple days?
They want to move it up so they can proceed with roster building and training camp.

I think it is a reasonable request and it seems the NFLPA leans towards going along with it. I don’t believe moving it up a couple days will significantly impact players’ decisions. They’ve had all summer to make their plans. I doubt many would have changed their minds in the three day window if they shorten it from August 10 to August 7.
 
dream sex with demons

I thought we were going to pick that in the fifth round of this years' draft, but since BB is such a crap GM (at least that's what many here keep saying) we went with Rohrwasser instead. Guess we'll just have to wait and see which approach was the better one for the Patriots football team.
 
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I don't think the owners want to play this season. If enough players opt out, they can take the high road and suspend the season out of an abundance of caution for the players and their families.

They can cut the salary cap in the 'off season' and get the players back on the plantation.

I honestly think that they'd be better off cancelling the season and rolling the Salary Cap funds over.. That way they won't have a "reduction" next year.
 
Unless the cap space rolls over until next year it doesn't benefit the patriots at all to have anyone opt out.

We had no cap space before the opt outs and one of the leagues best cap situations next year.

Now next years cap is already being eaten by players i thought we'd be done with.
 
Well, I used my "right as a free American" to move my family to a place where there hasn't been a case of community transmission in three months.

I'm mildly surprised by people like you measuring their freedom by your ability to disregard other people's health, life and liberty (and the apparent pride in that disregard).

But at least for now it doesn't affect me or the people I care about most, other than my tax dollars paying for your stupidity.

Excellent, I'm pleased for you and your family. Fishers Island?

Your 2nd sentence is ludicrous and complete fiction (as I prepare for my daily grocery run for my parents after which we will execute our multi-step & carefully planned chain-of-command cleaning process before said groceries are stocked into the house).

3rd sentence is complete BS too, especially the part about your "tax dollars"....LMAO.

Based on your 1st sentence it appears the resources accessible to you far exceed that of the average American citizen...

...how do you feel about the millions of American citizens who have been put in financial peril due to illogical & inconsistent "decision making" by the politicians who are making decisions based on political considerations first, and then considering the true health concerns somewhere on down the line from there? These are people who need and want to go to work, but are not allowed to.

That's what irritates me.

PS...the basement cowering rhetoric was simply that, hyperbole if you will. No offense intended.
 
So, not even any pretend math on the airline travel claim.

Just an acknowledgement that there are more than 7 billion people on Earth -- again, fun with numerators and denominators, the statistical game for all ages!

Add to that ignorance of subject matter - conflating airline travel with all (fixed wing) air traffic - which matters in a world where deaths in regularly scheduled passenger aviation are a tiny (sometimes nonexistent) fraction of deaths in air traffic. Just for fun. Not that the initial claim isn't laughably silly for the subject we're discussing here, an infectious disease.

The denominator in airline travel has probably shrunk this year, but that's of virtually insignificant importance.

It has shrunk by a factor of perhaps 20 - i.e., there were single-quarter reports of a 95% decrease.

It's there, you just didn't read it.

The number of people on earth isn't relevant when calculating the risks of dying in a commercial air crash.

The flights considered were specifically described as "regularly scheduled" commercial flights.

What has happened with airline travel this year or in a recent quarter is not relevant to understanding the true risk of flying over time.
 
Matt Lacosse opts out. I wonder if for some strange reason Bill is encouraging it.
 
Matt Lacosse opts out. I wonder if for some strange reason Bill is encouraging it.

It is perplexing.

If I'm not mistaken this makes 8 for the Patriots and if the list posted by CBS Sports 3 hours ago is accurate no other team has more than 2, and 10 teams have had no opt-outs (including Tampa).
 
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I understand of course that your post is facetious, but if you were actually interested in an answer, this article in Sciencemag would be a good start:
From ‘brain fog’ to heart damage, COVID-19’s lingering problems alarm scientists | Science | AAAS

Given that the pandemic only hit many places in full force 4 months ago, studies of long-term effects are just at the beginning (as outlined in the article). There are a number early studies showing a vast array of damage (some of them quoted in the article) and other viral illnesses of similar severity are known to have long-lasting effects for some. Given the uncertainty, it seems prudent to avoid going down a path that would leave millions with permanent health problems, in addition to a hundreds of thousand dead.

Thanks for the article @Twentytothree. At the risk of being picky, this is not an article in Sciencemag (as stated), which is a peer-reviewed well respected journal, but a news story in Sciencemag's news service. There is a big difference, but at least this story is from a reputable news service unlike many other links posted previously. The story starts off with a tragic testimonial from Athena Akrami, and revisits her situation and opinion throughout the article, but single examples are not indicative of widespread effects - this sort of news story writing technique clearly differentiates it from a journal article.

The news story does specifically state that the long-term effects are varied and not well known at this point, and gives a case of healthy people with lingering symptoms, and at-risk patients with quick recoveries. So I think the article argues against your statement that some "are known to have long-lasting effects". The article states the long-lasting effects vary, and are still unknown. Some will always have long-term effects, this should not be alarming.

Additionally there are some very positive results published in the news story that you may have missed. 1) Some cases of Guillain-Barre after COVID-19 have been reported, but “it’s not definite [there’s] a spike,” says Rachel Brown, a UCL neurologist who works with Zandi. 2) “We expected to see a lot of long-term damage from COVID-19: scarring, decreased lung function, decreased exercise capacity,” says Ali Gholamrezanezhad, a radiologist at the Keck School of Medicine, but ...... he has concluded that COVID-19 ravages the lungs less consistently and aggressively than SARS did. “COVID-19 is in general a milder disease,” he says. 3) Severe lung scarring appears less common than feared—Gholamrezanezhad.

One issue the researchers agree on is that those with certain existing conditions, diabetes, hypertension, obesity, pre-existing lung or heart disease, etc., are at a higher risk. Those individuals should hunker down for 6 more months when hopefully a vaccine will be available. If athletes have at-risk family members, the athletes should opt-out, or if they play during the season, quarantine themselves at a hotel or separate apartment.

There are always going to be potentially long-lasting effects when we contract a viral or bacterial infection, so please don't take an open and transparent discussion to mean the effects are especially severe in this case. Even if the long-lasting effects are not found to be wide spread, the shear numbers of infections means local studies can be formed and gather large enough populations to study various symptoms. From these large, local populations we may come to understand not only the effects of COVID-19, but long-lasting effects of various diseases in general as many symptoms to be studied are common to recovery from various illnesses (fatigue, joint pain, etc.).
 
More Pats opt-outs today. It's not particularly important what we say about it here. The guys who have to play make the call, unless the entire season is called off. I'm calling it history's biggest asterisk if the season's played lol... There's just too much minimizing about, too much hoping instead of planning. Even some relatively sane sounding posters are saying things like if x, this might just be a tame disease, then wouldn't it be a pity to have actually been cautious.

No. It's a good idea to be prepared for the worst.

On the bright side, full-on death by COVID is only a real worry for players who've ever had hypertension, asthma, could be considered obese by the BMI (Rut roh!), etc.

Should be fine :D

And of course, any players stupid enough to have living grandparents will no doubt not visit them again until after a couple of negative tests.
 
It's quite irritating majority of the opt outs are Pats.
 
PFT Reports:

Teams worry that opt-out privilege isn't being used in good faith - ProFootballTalk

Pretty much what I reported earlier, the $150k is in essence free money for players about to be cut.

Also they are saying some agents are seen as using the threat of opting out to get a better contract for their player: Give me more money or I opt out.

Florio suggests there's nothing wrong with that, the risks are higher, so the pay should be higher.

IMO the owners want to close the window as soon as possible so they can keep the hope for a new season alive as long as possible.
Goodell and "good faith" is an oxymoron.
 
Can someone explain to me why the union would agree to pull in the opt-out deadline?
 
Matt Lacosse opts out. I wonder if for some strange reason Bill is encouraging it.

Yes, I think that these players have all spoken to the team. Bill may have encouraged some to opt-out. Obviously, we are NOT discussing those with past medical issues like Cannon.
 
Added today's opt-outs, a breakdown by age range and by team.
78% of opt-outs are <30 yo
63% are OL/DL/TE/FB
9 teams have no opt outs.
Avg. per team is 1.28
NEP have 8, next highest is DAL with 3.

Aug 2 (4)
Geronimo Allison, WR, Detroit Lions
Jamize Olawale, FB, Dallas Cowboys
Matt LaCosse, TE, New England Patriots
E.J. Gaines, CB, Buffalo Bills
Aug 1 (3)
Lerentee McCray, DE/LB, Jacksonville Jaguars
C.J. Mosley, LB, New York Jets
Marqise Lee, WR,
New England Patriots
July 31 (4)
Chandler Brewer, OT, Los Angeles Rams
Al Woods, DT, Jacksonville Jaguars
Isaiah Prince, OT, Cincinnati Bengals
Josh Tupou, DT, Cincinnati Bengals

July 29 (5)
John Atkins, DT, Detroit Lions
Damien Williams, RB, Kansas City Chiefs
Drew Forbes, G, Cleveland Browns
Drake Dorbeck, OT, Cleveland Browns

Nate Solder, OT, New York Giants

July 28 (17)
Jason Vander Laan, TE, New Orleans Saints
Devin Funchess, WR, Green Bay Packers
Jordan Mack, LB, Carolina Panthers
Leo Koloamatangi, OL, New York Jets
Marquise Goodwin, WR, Philadelphia Eagles
Michael Pierce, DT, Minnesota Vikings
Star Lotulelei, DT, Buffalo Bills
Eddie Goldman, DT, Chicago Bears
Anthony McKinney, OT, Tennessee Titans
Patrick Chung, S, New England Patriots
Cole Wick, TE, New Orleans Saints
Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, Houston Texans
Kyle Peko, DT, Denver Broncos
Stephen Guidry, WR, Dallas Cowboys
Andre Smith, OT, Baltimore Ravens
Dont'a Hightower, LB, New England Patriots
Brandon Bolden, RB, New England Patriots

July 27 (7)
Marcus Cannon, OT, New England Patriots
Danny Vitale, FB, New England Patriots
Najee Toran, C/G, New England Patriots

Caleb Brantley, DL, Washington Football Team
Maurice Canady, CB, Dallas Cowboys

Chance Warmack, G, Seattle Seahawks
De'Anthony Thomas, WR, Baltimore Ravens

July 24 (1)
Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, G, Kansas City Chiefs

STATS: (41)
20-24: 8
25-29: 24
30-34: 9

OL: 12
DL: 9
FB/TE: 5
RB: 2
WR: 6
LB: 4
DB: 3


AFCE: 12
NEP (8) NYJ (2) BUF (2) MIA (0)
AFCN: 6
BAL (2) CIN (2) CLE (2) PIT (0)

AFCS: 4
JAC (2) TEN (1) HOU (1) IND (0)

AFCW: 3
KC (2) DEN (1) LV (0) LAC (0)


NFCE: 6
DAL (3) NYG (1) PHI (1) WAS (1)
NFCN: 5
DET (2) CHI (1) MIN (1) GB (1)
NFCS: 3
NO (2) CAR (1) ATL (0) TB (0)
NFCW: 2
LAR (1) SEA (1) ARZ (0) SF (0)
 
Can someone explain to me why the union would agree to pull in the opt-out deadline?
First of all, let's establish that the deadline is set for 7 days after the official signing of the new deal, and this agreement was made a week ago so the thought was the deadline would be somewhere on or around August 1. The players have already had 7+ days to make a decision.

However, it has taken longer to dot all the i's and cross the t's than originally expected. So now, since the agreement has still not technically been ratified as of today, we are looking at an opt out date of August 10 at the earliest if they don't change the deal. I can understand why the Owners would want that moved up a bit and, other than the McCourty's, I just don't see much opposition on the part of the players to agree to set the date sooner (on the 5th maybe), which is still several days longer than they originally thought they would have.

So really the Players thought they would have 7 days to make their decisions and it will likely end up being 12 days. If that happens then yes, it would mean the deadline date was moved up from the original agreement. But in actuality, the players had more time than they thought they would.

EDIT: BTW, the fact that the McCourty's are this interested in when the deadline is makes me think they are certainly considering opting out. Would they really get riled up about a deadline if they had already made their decision?
 
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I forget, does this count as a year against contract?

But yeah he definitely made out pretty good this year. If this doesn't count as a contract year though, he'll have one really cheap year coming up w/o a large bonus.

no because he has another 10mill roster bonus due next year. you do get a break on the final year of the deal
 
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