OT: So Jetsy: Jamal Adams Demands a Trade

Bill Lee said:

That was six championships ago for us, hard to remember back that far.

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Tuna Crap knew he was leaving and had a year to work on Martin. By the way Martin gushes over him, Tuna's strategy worked.

Zuma said:

I'm having real-life issues coping with not having an authentic Jets Suck thread

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I miss @Tunescribe more. I've seen dozens of spelling errors that he would have been all over.

203Pat said:

The haul was good on paper but it’s the Jets. They will either use those picks to draft complete busts or they will draft studs, still suck, mistreat said studs, then trade them and just repeat the process.

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A couple of the over-the-hill players may come back to the Jete for top dollar.

Triumph said:

The Seahawks got fleeced.

The Seattle GM was making all the right moves until this debacle.

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Completely agree. This trade reminds me of when they blew it all on Jimmy Graham. Seattle would probably have another ring already if they didn’t make that trade. This trade feels the same way.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Seattle got the better of the trade. Let’s say Seattle gets the 20-25th pick in the draft the next two years. That’s likely with their history. Those two picks are the equivalent of roughly pick #8. And that is also a year, and then two years, down the road. Time dilutes value typically, so #8 is generous.

So if the Jets theoretically are picking #8, are the odds likely that they’ll draft a guy as good as Adams? Heck no. Adams is already arguably the best safety in the league.

This was not like the Bears shopping Mack. Keep in mind the Bears had to pay Mack on the franchise tag 20M+ and had no choice. The Jets had Adams for 2020 for pennies, 2021 for peanuts, and 2022 for a great value with the S franchise tag. That is why Adams attempted to force their hand...and he did.

This will end up being Dee Milliner 2.0. For those don’t remember, the Jets traded Revis for the Bucs first round pick (#9) and took CB Milliner, who was a monumental bust. I’m sure this will wind up the same for these morons.

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And people are acting as if the Jete acquired Adams for free, but nope, it cost them the 6th pick in the 2017 draft!

Damn, da Jete did a lot of sucking to get that 6th pick!

For that much sucking they should have had a true talent at a franchise changing position, but nope, now they've got mid 20s lottery picks next year and the year after, and a replacement level safety.

Look at who they could have had in the 2017 draft:

• Pat Mahomes: 10th
• Deshaun Watson: 12th
• Marshon Lattimore: 11th
• Marlon Humphrey: 16th

A decent GM would have traded down from #6 and got an extra lottery ticket AND picked a potential franchise changing QB or CB.

People also aren't seeing the element of time. Da Jete have wasted two years where they could have had a potentially game changing QB or CB and whatever trade down value they could have gained. Now they replace that with a replacement level safety and picks next year and the year after. It'll be 3 years from the time they picked Adams to the time they can use that first mid-20s pick they get for him. Three years wasted! No wonder da Jete Suck!

Looking back I wonder how some view the Mack trade now.

Oak had a ton of picks to work with and are still kicking it down the road.

They massively over-drafted Ferrell, hit Jacobs (RB1) & Abram will play his first snaps this year. I'm a big fan of him but how much closer are they now? They don't look better off, yet? We'll see, it's very early. A lot more for goes into it than those specific players involved.

It's very tempting, especially as a draft weirdo to take all those picks. Oakland's situation was already F'd up. As they already F'd up their situation and kinda cornered them into the Mack trade but just looking at the results Oak isn't looking great after that trade.

It's interesting looking back at how these GMs F'd up. Buffalo has had so much talent run through there it's incredible. They had K Mack under their nose for years and traded up for Watkins. Wrong move but they ended up Watkins, Shady, Woods, Goodwin and a bunch of other guys but played so conservative it killed them. I wonder what Mack would have meant and done. Who knows?

Rob0729 said:

Adams is an elite safety, but that was a whole crap load to get a safety even an elite one. I don't think I would give up that one.

That move means it is a make or break year for Gase or the Jets screwed up this move. You don't want Gase to have a bad year this year and being the one influencing the first of the two first rounders they get in this deal. Because if Gase picks his guy, that guy may not fit into the next coach's system.

if I am the Jets, I am dumping Gase after this season unless the Jets are legitimate contenders and then rebuilding yet again next year with a different head coach. This draft pick haul will be wasted with Gase as your head coach.

And the Jets haven't had the best first round record in the last decade even when they have had several top ten picks. Most of their first round picks have been busts or disappointments and already off the team in recent years. They have had 6 top ten picks in the last decade or so and only one elite player to show from it who they just traded away.

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Things are set up perfectly for Gaze to be gone this year. Douglas signed a long term deal with big money, one the Johnsons won't want to eat. Gaze is not a Douglas guy. By pretty much every objective measure, Gaze sucks at his job.

I'm sure as I can be that the Jete will be bad this year, the fans will pressure the owner to do something, and Gaze will be the fall guy.

The only real question will be who will Douglas pick to follow Gaze. That will dictate a lot of things. Then that next guy will have to decide if Darnold is the real deal or not.

Sorry if it’s already been mentioned, but getting Minkah Fitzpatrick(on a rookie deal) for one 1st rounder is looking like an absolute steal.

Seattle did ok with this one. Adams is young, on the cheap and already one of the best at his position. They suck at drafting in the first round so why not waste 2 picks which were probably going to be 24+ anyway?

Now Jesters have no good players again. They will screw up their Tank for Lawrence campaign. You watch. Even if somehow they do get him he will be ruined by this cursed franchise. Believe me, they are not happy with Darnold and would replace him in a heartbeat if they could.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

They massively over-drafted Ferrell

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So far, that pick has been nothing short of an abomination. Every time I watched the Raiders play, at least once a game the commentator would say how Ferrell messed up. He looks clueless a lot and is undisciplined. Remember, this is the guy Gruden sent everyone in the Front Office home early because he was afraid they would leak who they wanted at #6 and they took Ferrell? That made me laugh on draft day.

I don't get GM's thinking strategy. They thought Ferrell was the same caliber at #6 as Mack was.

Patriot Missile said:

Seattle did ok with this one. Adams is young, on the cheap and already one of the best at his position. They suck at drafting in the first round so why not waste 2 picks which were probably going to be 24+ anyway?

Now Jesters have no good players again. They will screw up their Tank for Lawrence campaign. You watch. Even if somehow they do get him he will be ruined by this cursed franchise. Believe me, they are not happy with Darnold and would replace him in a heartbeat if they could.

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I agree with the SEA take. A talented safety is more of a finishing piece rather than a cornerstone of a franchise rebuild. That's been a big part of my criticism of da Jete's choice of Adams all along. It was a just a bad allocation of resources for them.

I think best case in terms of impact Adams could be like us picking up Rodney Harrison. Rodney was in his seventh season so was more mature but Adams has room for growth. They're paying a lot for Adams but I suspect it's because they expect him to grow a lot, especially in their system.

Interesting comment on DarnIt. I can only imagine the howls from the fans if a new regime comes in and they dump him. That would be a total rebuild.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

Looking back I wonder how some view the Mack trade now.

Oak had a ton of picks to work with and are still kicking it down the road.

They massively over-drafted Ferrell, hit Jacobs (RB1) & Abram will play his first snaps this year. I'm a big fan of him but how much closer are they now? They don't look better off, yet? We'll see, it's very early. A lot more for goes into it than those specific players involved.

It's very tempting, especially as a draft weirdo to take all those picks. Oakland's situation was already F'd up. As they already F'd up their situation and kinda cornered them into the Mack trade but just looking at the results Oak isn't looking great after that trade.

It's interesting looking back at how these GMs F'd up. Buffalo has had so much talent run through there it's incredible. They had K Mack under their nose for years and traded up for Watkins. Wrong move but they ended up Watkins, Shady, Woods, Goodwin and a bunch of other guys but played so conservative it killed them. I wonder what Mack would have meant and done. Who knows?

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Yeah choosing Clelin Ferrell instead of Josh Allen at #4 was a massive screw-up, inexcusable really...and I would've more strongly considered OT Jawaan Taylor at 27 than a sub-6' SS like Johnathan Abram...

captain stone said:

Yeah choosing Clelin Ferrell instead of Josh Allen at #4 was a massive screw-up, inexcusable really...and I would've more strongly considered OT Jawaan Taylor at 27 than a sub-6' SS like Johnathan Abram...

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Packers come in 2nd place taking Rashan Gary when Brian Burns was clearly better. Burns barely played and racked up 7.5 sacks.

And not to mention, it's not a good look when your former teammate (Winovich), outplays you when taken in the 3rd round.

Kinda surprised to see this:

Seems like Adams isn't the kind of malcontent da Jete echo chamber was saying he was.

The article even suggests he might play two years on the current contract:

Given what Seattle gave up to get him, they'll look to keep the play-making safety around longer than two years. Given the uncertainty with the salary cap in the following couple of years, coming to an understanding with Adams about playing under the final two years of his deal before making the trade was likely important for the Seahawks' brass. They now have time to work out a deal as the league gets a better grasp of how the financials will be affected in 2022 and beyond.

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This really makes da Jete management look bad, IMO.

Bill Lee said:

Kinda surprised to see this:

Seems like Adams isn't the kind of malcontent da Jete echo chamber was saying he was.

The article even suggests he might play two years on the current contract:

This really makes da Jete management look bad, IMO.

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If this is true than this is a very bad look for them. It just means something in the relationship was not fixable by coaches and front office.

Bill Lee said:

Kinda surprised to see this:

Seems like Adams isn't the kind of malcontent da Jete echo chamber was saying he was.

The article even suggests he might play two years on the current contract:

This really makes da Jete management look bad, IMO.

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This is what happens when your franchise sucks. Nice play by Adams.

Bill Lee said:

Things are set up perfectly for Gaze to be gone this year. Douglas signed a long term deal with big money, one the Johnsons won't want to eat. Gaze is not a Douglas guy. By pretty much every objective measure, Gaze sucks at his job.

I'm sure as I can be that the Jete will be bad this year, the fans will pressure the owner to do something, and Gaze will be the fall guy.

The only real question will be who will Douglas pick to follow Gaze. That will dictate a lot of things. Then that next guy will have to decide if Darnold is the real deal or not.

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I agree that in all likelihood Gase is gone after this season.

The thing I've been wondering about since the Adams trade is if Darnold doesn't have a good season do the Jets use those #1 picks to trade up for Lawrence. Darnold wasn't Douglas' pick, and does he like his play or wan't to start over?

Rusty Coupe said:

I agree that in all likelihood Gase is gone after this season.

The thing I've been wondering about since the Adams trade is if Darnold doesn't have a good season do the Jets use those #1 picks to trade up for Lawrence. Darnold wasn't Douglas' pick, and does he like his play or wan't to start over?

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I would say yes.