We Don't Know The Opt Out Rules

Because there isn’t any. Do you have any, nope didn’t think so.

Triumph said:

Death rate of COVID is 2.2%

Death rate of SARS in 2002 was 9.6%

Mortality rates of viruses worldwide | Statista

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You also have the stupid states like Florida cooking the books on deaths and qualifying them as pneumonia.

Clonamery said:

Got any statistics on athletes getting the virus not dying but having damage done to their lungs such that they can no longer compete? Nah, didn't think so.

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As far as I have seen the “long term damage” angle is very much speculative still. Have seen many reports of athletes who contracted the virus, recovered, and go on to play. NBA a prime example. I mentioned Marcus Smart above as a home-town reference. Haven’t seen any examples of players who suffer any damage but I may have simply missed it.

I wonder about David Andrews. He already missed a season with blood clots in his lungs and if this thing attacks the respiratory system I’d assume that could be very bad.

Interesting how a player can just simply opt out when they are under contract.

See it was originally we are all going to die. Then we found children didn’t, so it became middle aged, old and high risk, then it became just old and extremely high risk. Then since under 40 are pretty much ok, so it became you will make old people sick. Then it became well if you get it there might be a chance that it hurts your lungs, since well we are running out of anything to worry about.

moosekill said:

See it was originally we are all going to die. Then we found children didn’t, so it became middle aged, old and high risk, then it became just old and extremely high risk. Then since under 40 are pretty much ok, so it became you will make old people sick. Then it became well if you get it there might be a chance that it hurts your lungs, since well we are running out of anything to worry about.

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I think it will start to go away after November, especially if Biden wins. Media has no reason to complain anymore since they have their guy in the White House. While I think the virus is real to a certain extent, the constant misinformation confirms it has become more political.

I heard a rumor that Marcus Cannon may opt out and we kept thuney to play at RT.

I actually like how the nfl did it. I don’t blame a player for being worried. It is a crappy disease regardless. However I think the odds of a player blowing out a knee or getting concussion issues are much more likely then either dying or even having permanent lung damage. But the nfl gives them the ability to choose.

I mean we all can’t be as brave as the baggers at the grocery store.

203Pat said:

You also have the stupid states like Florida cooking the books on deaths and qualifying them as pneumonia.

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His point was ridiculous on the face of it.

Which is a greater threat, something that kills 7% of 8,000, or something that kills 2% of 16 million and counting?

To bring this back to football terms this would be like arguing that Jonas Gray was up there with Hershel Walker because he had one good game.

Percentages are interesting but raw numbers often tell just as much. By raw math alone, SARS isn't even in the same galaxy as COVID-19. The sheer contagiousness of COVID-19 makes it more dangerous than SARS by multiple orders of magnitude, even if you concede that SARS is the greater per capita killer. SARS infected 8,000 people. COVID has already killed hundreds of thousands of people and no, not all of them were elderly cripples.

Pretending things are back to normal will not get us back to normal. It will only cause inreased deaths and suffering as our leaders continue to live in denial.

TheRainMaker said:

I think it will start to go away after November, especially if Biden wins. Media has no reason to complain anymore since they have their guy in the White House. While I think the virus is real to a certain extent, the constant misinformation confirms it has become more political.

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I am genuinely envious of people who are still fortunate enough to think COVID-10 is mostly media-driven hysteria. People who haven't watched loved ones die alone, and had to mourn them with zoom funerals. Who aren't watching friends in their 40s struggling with months of symptoms and permanent lung damage. I wish I were one of you. And I hope this hellish reality never intrudes on your illusions.

patchick said:

I am genuinely envious of people who are still fortunate enough to think COVID-10 is mostly media-driven hysteria. People who haven't watched loved ones die alone, and had to mourn them with zoom funerals. Who aren't watching friends in their 40s struggling with months of symptoms and permanent lung damage. I wish I were one of you. And I hope this hellish reality never intrudes on your illusions.

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More people have died now to this disease than died in the US Civil War. 645,000 people are dead, and that doesn't even count the deaths various governments are trying to hide to make themselves look better.

150,000 in the US alone are dead from this thing. COVID cases have reached every city town and village in America. And we still have people in this forum who think it's a rainy day or something and will just "go away."

The level of magical thinking in this thread amazes me, although to be honest, it doesn't surprise me.

Ring 6 said:

Perhaps if you distinguish between putting numbers in perspective and ignoring them you would see a lot less people “denying”.
There are rampant reports of overstated death numbers attributed to covid (ie the motorcycle accident victim counted) as well as antibodies being reported as new cases, statistics being reported as wrong, and people saying they were never tested but got informed they were positive.
Pointing out these issues is not denying the virus, but questioning the validity of the statistics. Very, very different thing.

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There are also rampant reports of UNDERstated death numbers attributed to COVID-19.

All stats can be questioned, but the estimates used by the CDC are in fact overly conservative.

Guys who we have some reason to expect might opt out: Andrews, Cannon
Not sure of the contract & $ differences were Cannon to retire now vs opt out and retire next year

Ring 6 said:

Perhaps if you distinguish between putting numbers in perspective and ignoring them you would see a lot less people “denying”.
There are rampant reports of overstated death numbers attributed to covid (ie the motorcycle accident victim counted) as well as antibodies being reported as new cases, statistics being reported as wrong, and people saying they were never tested but got informed they were positive.
Pointing out these issues is not denying the virus, but questioning the validity of the statistics. Very, very different thing.

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Even if you give an appropriately wide margin of error the original comparison to SARS is absolutely ludicrous. Only 8000 people even got infected with SARS before an adjusted vaccine was able to counter it. It was contained in a matter of a few months, a year at most.

COVID-19 isn't under control even in the slightest, and things aren't going to get better until it is under control.

We could be looking at COVID-related problems raging for years, not weeks or months. Especially if the current potential vaccines are no more successful than the last 6 efforts to do the same thing..

People die everyday in the US. Every death is a tragedy. But thinking if we hide long enough Covid-19 will go away is lunacy. It won’t, perhaps eventually they will come up with a vaccine that will help cut down the numbers, more likely, herd immunity will eventually make this less dangerous, but make no mistake, it is here forever.

patchick said:

I am genuinely envious of people who are still fortunate enough to think COVID-10 is mostly media-driven hysteria. People who haven't watched loved ones die alone, and had to mourn them with zoom funerals. Who aren't watching friends in their 40s struggling with months of symptoms and permanent lung damage. I wish I were one of you. And I hope this hellish reality never intrudes on your illusions.

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Again, there's been tons of misinformation from the get go. Anybody can find a story or stat that backs their experience up to say it's real or it's an exaggeration. During the second month of the California lock down, it was reported that hospitals where crowded so I expected a war zone when I had to pick my Dad up from the ER for an unrelated incident. It was empty. That's my experience. It's inevitable I will property get it, just like I can't run away from the flu forever. But when people's wallets have been affected by this or a loved one dies, it becomes political.

Like I said before, I don't think it's exactly a hoax, but the media will make you believe whatever they want you to believe.

The real ignorance is thinking the media is looking out for your best interest. They act like they care, but disasters gets them ratings which equals money. They don't give a s*** who dies as long as it doesn't happen to them or anyone they know and will skew the statistics to fit whatever narrative they want you to believe. And I can understand the skeptics as we're months away from an election and a virus suddenly appears. The Dems had absolutely no shot before this occurred and the media's "scoreboard of deaths" which have turned into "cases" are their only shot.

Hyped said:

There are also rampant reports of UNDERstated death numbers attributed to COVID-19.

All stats can be questioned, but the estimates used by the CDC are in fact overly conservative.

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How can covid deaths be underreported?
It is widely known that state governments and hospitals are incentivized with aid for calling a death a covid death. There are plenty of anecdotal cases where families are saying deaths were miscategorized.

The number of positives of course is understated because many people have had it and never knew. The number of deaths is certainly not understated.
The trends are also extremely misleading because more tests will result in more positives and many more tests are being done. Plus they are counting previously infected people with antibodies as being infected now. That’s a miscalculation affecting them trends doubly.

luuked said:

Of potentially getting COVID and dieing or having lasting damage for the rest of his life because of it ?

He has been working at the very frontline as doctor and therefore actually knows how serious the situation is.

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If anything his level of risk increased by opting to work in the medical system.