Cap Space

Nonentity · Jul 8, 2020

Hyped said:
I wish we could see players in action before extending Thuney. It might be beneficial to let Thuney play under the FT this year and trade him in the off-season *if* we have a viable guy to step in at LG.

For me, I'd extend Thuney now and grab the cap space. We're going to need it, and there's only so many Burkhead-type deals we can do. He's not the type of player who is going to fall off a cliff once he's been paid.

Shaq Mason has to know that he's on the hot seat this season after his performance last year. If he puts in another average season, it'd be tough to keep him at his salary in 2021, and cutting him next year won't have the same dead-cap implications - it'd be net-positive.

Zuma · Jul 8, 2020

Nonentity said:
For me, I'd extend Thuney now and grab the cap space. We're going to need it, and there's only so many Burkhead-type deals we can do. He's not the type of player who is going to fall off a cliff once he's been paid.

Shaq Mason has to know that he's on the hot seat this season after his performance last year. If he puts in another average season, it'd be tough to keep him at his salary in 2021, and cutting him next year won't have the same dead-cap implications - it'd be net-positive.

Patriots won't cut Shaq Mason for gutting it out through injury in 2019. He'll bounce back whenever football is played again.

BelichickFan · Jul 11, 2020

Nonentity · Jul 11, 2020

Hurrah!

BelichickFan · Jul 11, 2020

I had thought the AH hit was taken care of already. Regardless, Miguel has us at $7.8M which is enough to make it through the season now.

Pape · Jul 11, 2020

BelichickFan said:
I had thought the AH hit was taken care of already. Regardless, Miguel has us at $7.8M which is enough to make it through the season now.

i did too ... maybe they were dealing with multiple grievances / aspects of his contract? first what they paid him and then what they technically "owed" him?

patsfaninpa · Jul 12, 2020

Njoku makes sense. Clowney is a pipe dream.
Probably, need a two gapper more than edge. I’m hoping Winovich plays more and think Anfernee Jennings is gonna impress

luuked · Jul 12, 2020

patsfaninpa said:
Njoku makes sense. Clowney is a pipe dream.
Probably, need a two gapper more than edge. I’m hoping Winovich plays more and think Anfernee Jennings is gonna impress

Depending on the price to me Clowney would make more sense than another TE project. He'd be a chess piece BB could put anywhere that would make things easier for our stacked secondary.

Unfortunately, it is doubtful his price will ever drop to that point (1y 8-9M ?) without another team swooping in.

Bourne Again Christian · Jul 12, 2020

luuked said:
Depending on the price to me Clowney would make more sense than another TE project. He'd be a chess piece BB could put anywhere that would make things easier for our stacked secondary.

Unfortunately, it is doubtful his price will ever drop to that point (1y 8-9M ?) without another team swooping in.

I think Clowney makes this defense even scarier add him and Njoku and that would make this off-season a A

Any pipe dream chance we free up enough cap and make a OBJ trade work?
I know he has worked out with Cam and stuff this offseason and he said to him in the video I need you.

DaBruinz · Jul 12, 2020

luuked said:
Depending on the price to me Clowney would make more sense than another TE project. He'd be a chess piece BB could put anywhere that would make things easier for our stacked secondary.

Unfortunately, it is doubtful his price will ever drop to that point (1y 8-9M ?) without another team swooping in.

The Pats only need to make it so that the 1st year cap hit is in the 7M range.. Which is pretty easy by making up the difference with Signing bonus..

The problem is that Clowney wanted ridiculous money ($20M/season). He's supposedly lowered that to $17M/season. Which is still a hefty sum for a guy who hasn't broken double digit sacks in his career and has only played 1 full season out of 6.

luuked · Jul 12, 2020

DaBruinz said:
The Pats only need to make it so that the 1st year cap hit is in the 7M range.. Which is pretty easy by making up the difference with Signing bonus..

The problem is that Clowney wanted ridiculous money ($20M/season). He's supposedly lowered that to $17M/season. Which is still a hefty sum for a guy who hasn't broken double digit sacks in his career and has only played 1 full season out of 6.

I understand that the cap space is really not an issue. They can always do a Revis-esque contract if they want.

It is just that I wouldn't spend more than 8-9M in total on him. Mostly because of his injury issues and inconsistent performances. Which is why I don't think there is a realistic chance of it happening.

captain stone · Jul 14, 2020

Boston Boxer said:
looks like they can still fit me under the cap

Taco said:
Me too. I’m sending BB my planet fitness workout footage now.

If you're trying out for TE, then I would take both of you ahead of LaGlasse & Izzo right now.

Uptown · Jul 28, 2020

WinstonSmith · Aug 4, 2020

"My new 2020 Patriots salary cap space number is $35,282,801. These signing bonus prorations will now become part of the player's 2021 cap number."

From Miguel...tweet posted as text by mistake.

Bourne Again Christian · Aug 4, 2020

Please go get OBJ

masterbouncer · Aug 4, 2020

Its decreasing the cap for next year, since all the cap (including this years prorated signing bonus) is being moved to 2021 cap, so it would be wise to roll over something and do not spend everything. Even if (opt-out) players quit or are being released next spring you'd take up quite some dead cap (more than it has been estimated so far).

That being said, the Patriots will still have some cap space next year but it most probably won't be around the estimated 60M rather around 40M or less, waiting on @Miguel to confirm his numbers for next year cap based on this new information.

SHOWTIME15 · Aug 4, 2020

With 35 million in cap space, maybe a little shopping?

One-If-By-Sea · Aug 4, 2020

TommyBrady12 said:
With 35 million in cap space, maybe a little shopping?

Did you mean "bargain shopping"?

Vets at the minimum?

DaBruinz · Aug 4, 2020

masterbouncer said:
Its decreasing the cap for next year, since all the cap (including this years prorated signing bonus) is being moved to 2021 cap, so it would be wise to roll over something and do not spend everything. Even if (opt-out) players quit or are being released next spring you'd take up quite some dead cap (more than it has been estimated so far).

That being said, the Patriots will still have some cap space next year but it most probably won't be around the estimated 60M rather around 40M or less, waiting on @Miguel to confirm his numbers for next year cap based on this new information.

Remember that any unused space gets rolled over automatically.

DaBruinz · Aug 4, 2020

Nonentity said:
For me, I'd extend Thuney now and grab the cap space. We're going to need it, and there's only so many Burkhead-type deals we can do. He's not the type of player who is going to fall off a cliff once he's been paid.

Shaq Mason has to know that he's on the hot seat this season after his performance last year. If he puts in another average season, it'd be tough to keep him at his salary in 2021, and cutting him next year won't have the same dead-cap implications - it'd be net-positive.

The window to extend Thuney is closed for this season. They have to wait until the off-season now.

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