GOAT QB discussions must include Johnny U.

Unitas perfected the 2 minute drive. Up until a few years ago he had the stat for most consecutive games with a TD pass, broken by Brees. That was in a time when teams ran first, and when defenses were much tougher on receivers and QBs.

robertweathers said:

Yea that's pretty much the top 10 with one major omission I know most disagree with me on.

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Putting Bradshaw on there wouldn’t be crazy. Numbers 8-10 aren’t cast in stone, whereas 1-7 are pretty hard to argue against (in some order). You could argue that Bradshaw, Marino, and maybe Brees could go 8-10.

I was surprised that Favre made the NFL 100 team, especially over Young. I wouldn’t put him in that group of players who are arguably top 10, unless you’re only ranking by peak, though I think Young’s peak was at least as good. But I think with Favre, I’d you’re giving him credit for longevity and counting stats, you also need to consider how horrible he was the second half of his career when it came to throwing away seasons.

Brady
Manning
Montana
Young
Brees
Johnny U
Rodgers
Staubach
Marino
Soon to be filled by Mahomes, Wilson or someone else


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farn said:

Who do you want in the fourth quarter of the SB ? I want 2014 Brady. I want 1989 Montana. I want 2016 Brady.

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1958 Unitas was pretty good too...

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

1. Brady
2. Graham
3. Montana
4. Starr
5. Unitas
6. Manning
7. Staubach
8. Elway
9. Young
10. Rodgers

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No issue with the top 5...The bottom 5 (with the exception of Staubach) however...

GOAT QB discussions must include Johnny U.

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Fair enough, so here goes:


Johnny U is one of the top 10 QBs in NFL history. But he is not the G.O.A.T. QB. That QB is Tom Brady.

captain stone said:

No issue with the top 5...The bottom 5 (with the exception of Staubach) however...

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Which four should replace Manning, Elway, Young, and Rodgers?

captain stone said:

1958 Unitas was pretty good too...

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Oh yeah! The original OT championship game. Late q4 drive to tie and then the OT drive to win. Neither drive involved a TD pass, but several passes to keep the drives alive. Kind of like Brady in the 28-3 game. And a key difference, that game wasn’t played on a neutral field, it was in Yankee stadium, home field for the NY Giants.

Pat the Pats Fan said:

Unitas perfected the 2 minute drive. Up until a few years ago he had the stat for most consecutive games with a TD pass, broken by Brees. That was in a time when teams ran first, and when defenses were much tougher on receivers and QBs.

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Fun fact - Brees' streak would have ended in the mid 30's against the Rams in 2011. The Saints were losing to 31-14 with 6 seconds left (to a team that finished 2-14) and Brees throws a touchdown on the last play of the game. There is literally no reason to have your starting QB in with 6 seconds left down 17 other than blatant stat padding, but that's nothing new considering who we're talking about.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

Brady
Manning
Montana
Young
Marino
Johnny U
Rodgers
Staubach
Brees
Soon to be filled by Mahomes, Wilson or someone else
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This is career opponent-adjusted AY/A value from @jumosq btw.

Mahomes and Wilson could make gains very soon.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Which four should replace Manning, Elway, Young, and Rodgers?

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Perhaps among these (in alphabetical order): Ken Anderson, Sammy Baugh, Len Dawson, Dan Fouts, Dan Marino, Warren Moon, Fran Tarkenton, Norm van Brocklin...

My hatred for the Mannings & Elway run so deep that I refuse to place them on any Best Of list, just out of principle...

BaconGrundleCandy said:

Brady
Manning
Montana
Young
Marino
Johnny U
Rodgers
Staubach
Brees
Soon to be filled by Mahomes, Wilson or someone else
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What criteria did you use to make that list?

TommyBrady12 said:

What criteria did you use to make that list?

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BaconGrundleCandy said:

This is career opponent-adjusted AY/A value from @jumosq btw.

Mahomes and Wilson could make gains very soon.

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It's career opponent-adjusted AY/A value from Justis Mosqueda

The last time this came up on this forum, there was a bit more sentiment for Sammy Baugh, so I’ll throw his name in there again, echoing the Captain.

I think most of us would agree that the further back you go, the less possible it is to fairly compare; hey the football itself has changed a lot. So for me this discussion is always about the guys I’ve watched, rather than whose stats I find most compelling. Unfortunately I didn’t really get to watch Johnny U. so can’t really put him in my own ranking.

In summary, therefore, I will say that Don Shula was a crapweasel so F him.

1. Brady

2. Montana

3. Manning

4. Unitas

5. Marino

6. Young

7. Graham

8. Staubach

9. Starr

10. Brees

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Putting Bradshaw on there wouldn’t be crazy. Numbers 8-10 aren’t cast in stone, whereas 1-7 are pretty hard to argue against (in some order). You could argue that Bradshaw, Marino, and maybe Brees could go 8-10.

I was surprised that Favre made the NFL 100 team, especially over Young. I wouldn’t put him in that group of players who are arguably top 10, unless you’re only ranking by peak, though I think Young’s peak was at least as good. But I think with Favre, I’d you’re giving him credit for longevity and counting stats, you also need to consider how horrible he was the second half of his career when it came to throwing away seasons.

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Young in his prime was incredible.

If I needed to win one game, in their prime I'd take Young over Favre

I'm kind of partial to Unitas, so I'd put him in my top 5, but the NYFL and every fan know exactly who the GOAT QB has been.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Putting Bradshaw on there wouldn’t be crazy. Numbers 8-10 aren’t cast in stone, whereas 1-7 are pretty hard to argue against (in some order). You could argue that Bradshaw, Marino, and maybe Brees could go 8-10.

I was surprised that Favre made the NFL 100 team, especially over Young. I wouldn’t put him in that group of players who are arguably top 10, unless you’re only ranking by peak, though I think Young’s peak was at least as good. But I think with Favre, I’d you’re giving him credit for longevity and counting stats, you also need to consider how horrible he was the second half of his career when it came to throwing away seasons.

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Favre helped cost the Pats the 19-0 season when he threw one of his really dumb picks vs the Giants in the NFC title game. No way the Packers would have beaten that Pats team.

amfootball said:

This is some dumb logic. Nothing like data mining to ensure your QB is #1. Of course it is pretty funny that the GOAT QB is right behind Unitas even with this mickey mouse criteria.

As before, a touchdown qualifies as a game-winning touchdown if all of the following four criteria are met:

• It occurs in the 4th quarter or in overtime;
• The scoring team was not winning prior to the touchdown
• The scoring team was winning after the touchdown, including the extra point1; and
• If the touchdown (plus point after) gave the winning team more points than the losing team scored all game. So if a team is down 21-17 and scores a touchdown to go ahead 24-21, and that team ultimately wins 31-27, that does not count as a game-winning touchdown. But if they win 31-21, it does.

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I'm always amused when Brady fans are outraged if someone dares to suggest another QB should be in the same discussion.

sb1 said:

I believe Brady is GOAT but there will never be consensus on this and debates will always happen. Different eras of the game.

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Best response post. It's a little scary to be exposed to an intelligent post.