Tom Brady "Football's Fun again"

luuked · Jul 3, 2020

amfootball said:
You realize the exact same arguments could be made about Bill prior to Brady? Except Bill never got to a conference champ game or was COY of the year twice and had a 5-11 record with Bledsoe, a first pick QB talent.

Not really but given your agenda I am not surprised you think so.

Unless you are one of those weirdos that defines how well a coach is doing by looking at postseason success -- which makes no sense because there are many random factors at work -- it is pretty clear that wherever BB went the teams improved significantly in key metrics over the regular season. The Browns are the perfect case study for that. Turned over an old team, improved each individual unit (offense, defense and ST) from bottom tier into the top 10 and turned them into a SB contender.

If I have to judge the performance of a coach and their staff I could not care less about individual games but about seasonal trends. BB consistently innovates on offense and defense, is master of situational football and has put together the number 1 defense over the last 20 years by PPG despite consistently drafting late. And that list could go on and on.

And none of this has to do with drafting and developing Brady. Seriously do yourself and everyone else here a favor and just stop pretending you are a Pats Fan and go sign up to some Bucs boards and enjoy those 1-2 seasons of Brady. Because whining about Brady not being here is the only thing you consistently bring to the table.

luuked · Jul 3, 2020

TommyBrady12 said:
There is no doubt in my mind the Bucs will do well and be a pretty good team. But at some point the coaching staff is going to have to make a difference if they are going to be successful in the playoffs. Talent alone will get you only so far. How many times have we seen Bill and his staff win close playoff games where coaching was the difference?

Of course. A well coached and constructed team will give the Bucs a lot of trouble no matter how stacked the offense is. They are in SB or bust mode but I don't think they will even win their own division.

amfootball · Jul 3, 2020

luuked said:
Not really but given your agenda I am not surprised you think so.

Unless you are one of those weirdos that defines how well a coach is doing by looking at postseason success -- which makes no sense because there are many random factors at work -- it is pretty clear that wherever BB went the teams improved significantly in key metrics over the regular season. The Browns are the perfect case study for that. Turned over an old team, improved each individual units (offense, defense and ST) from bottom tier into the top 10 and turned them into a SB contender within 2 years.

If I have to judge the performance of a coach and their staff I could not care less about individual games but about seasonal trends. BB consistently innovates on offense and defense, is master of situational football and has put together the number 1 defense over the last 20 years by PPG despite consistently drafting late. And that list could go on and on.

And none of this has to do with drafting and developing Brady. Seriously do yourself and everyone else here a favor and just stop pretending you are a Pats Fan and go sign up to some Bucs boards and enjoy those 1-2 seasons of Brady. Because whining about Brady not being here is the only thing you consistently bring to the table.

Perhaps you should have read what I was responding to before popping off. The poster had indicated that Arians was a terrible coach. I never said he was better than Bill but pointed out some similarities between the 2 prior to Bill uniting with the GOAT QB.

And please don't tell me to join a Bucs site. I am a fan of the Pats and best QB to ever play the game. I will defend him as much as I want on this site especially against terd hot takes.

luuked · Jul 3, 2020

amfootball said:
Still miles better than what Arians had in the past. And light years better than the 3 back up QBs currently in NE.

If we get the healthy version of 2018 Cam then I take him easily over 2019/2020/2021 Brady in the same offense. Especially at that price.

Obviously the health is a big if.

Betterthanmost · Jul 3, 2020

robertweathers said:
I wish Tom would just shut the **** up

This is not fair. Tom did not say this to the public. Are you saying he should not talk to his friends, coaches at all in private conversations?

amfootball · Jul 3, 2020

luuked said:
If we get the healthy version of 2018 Cam then I take him easily over 2019/2020/2021 Brady in the same offense. Especially at that price.

Obviously the health is a big if.

That is what I think we will have the hardest time with as a fanbase- Brady's availability. It is the most underrated thing about the guy and he gets literally roasted and made fun for his TB12 program yet he shows up every single week to play and play well. We had Jimmy for literally 6 quarters and he got hurt. We had Brissett and in his first game he tears a tendon in his thumb. Now we have Newton who has had one serious injury on top of another for the past 2 seasons and is only truly effective as a QB when he is a dual threat which will only lend itself to more injuries.

I will bet everything that Brady suits up for all 16 even with literally no off-season against the Pats having to start all 3 of their Qbs due to injury. That is the main reason Bill got Cam IMO. Not just because of the value but because it gives him another body. We can't do 2 Qbs anymore now that Brady is gone.

Bonzo · Jul 3, 2020

I wonder if some part of Brady, who was quietly grumbling to everybody would listen about his weapons last year, is sweating bullets right now about the prospect of Cam making this offense hum.

(The optimist in me still contends that the collective health of Edelman / Sanu / Harry -- who knows, maybe even Michel and Wynn -- had a bigger impact than the team let on.)

luuked · Jul 3, 2020

amfootball said:
Now we have Newton who has had one serious injury on top of another for the past 2 seasons and is only truly effective as a QB when he is a dual threat which will only lend itself to more injuries.

You clearly have not watched Newton under Norv Turner in 2018.

But I get it why would you ? It is normal that fans of teams don't know much about what goes on with other franchises. Claiming Cam needs to be a dual threat to be effective is as preposterous as all the people outside the Pats bubble who claim Brady is soft and consistently gets bailed out by the refs.

Newton was playing on MVP level with a 67% completion percentage throwing 15 TDs on about 1900 yards with only 4 INTs. And he ran only for 340 yards.

His injury had nothing to do with his mobility or poor decision making but a free rusher just smashed right into his shoulder.

And of course it will all come down to health but that is true every year and is exactly one of those random variables that you can't control. Gronk has not played a full season since 2011.

Is Newton at a bigger risk of injury than Brady ? Most probably. Will he get injured ? Possible but then again he never had a OL like he will this year. I will take the odds.

amfootball · Jul 3, 2020

luuked said:
You clearly have not watched Newton under Norv Turner in 2018.

But I get it why would you ? It is normal that fans of teams don't know much about what goes on with other franchises. Claiming Cam needs to be a dual threat to be effective is as preposterous as all the people outside the Pats bubble who claim Brady is soft and consistently gets bailed out by the refs.

Newton was playing on MVP level with a 67% completion percentage throwing 15 TDs on about 1900 yards with only 4 INTs. And he ran only for 340 yards.

His injury had nothing to do with his mobility or poor decision making but a free rusher just smashed right into his shoulder.

And of course it will all come down to health but that is true every year and is exactly one of those random variables that you can't control. Gronk has not played a full season since 2011.

Is Newton at a bigger risk of injury than Brady ? Most probably. Will he get injured ? Possible but then again he never had a OL like he will this year. I will take the odds.

I did watch Newton in 2018. What Turner did is he no longer had the offense go through Newton. Lots of check downs which is what increased his completion percentage and kept his picks low. Turner for sure is one of the best OCs at creating an offense that is functional and efficient.
And of course even with all that going, Newton took a terrible hit on a drop back that ruined his shoulder and the season was gone. So really, you are making my point for me. Even with a controlled offense that was highly efficient, Newton had a serious season ending injury. And let's be serious here - McDaniels is no Turner and our offense blows. We have no idea if Andrews will be healthy with the lung clots and Wynn has been pretty much a disaster with injury and Cannon is always injured too. And of course no Scar either which is the biggest downgrade to a team that has to keep Newton clean.

RobertWeathers · Jul 3, 2020

vuudu said:
This is not fair. Tom did not say this to the public. Are you saying he should not talk to his friends, coaches at all in private conversations?

I contend it would not have gone public of Tom didn't want it to.

luuked · Jul 3, 2020

amfootball said:
And let's be serious here - McDaniels is no Turner and our offense blows.

rofl

Moving on, clearly a waste of time.

amfootball · Jul 3, 2020

luuked said:
rofl

Moving on, clearly a waste of time.

You do realize that McD has sucked as an OC when he has not had Brady? And if you don't think our offense blows then yeah, probably is time to move on.

Wax Frog · Jul 3, 2020

PatsBoy12 said:
Anyone know how Jimmy G is feeling snoot football these days?

RobertWeathers · Jul 3, 2020

amfootball said:
You do realize that McD has sucked as an OC when he has not had Brady? And if you don't think our offense blows then yeah, probably is time to move on.

He did fine w Cassell and Jimmy G.

Betterthanmost · Jul 3, 2020

robertweathers said:
I contend it would not have gone public of Tom didn't want it to.

This a stretch even for me who is all team BB. I think Tom House just let it out to make a larger point about QB and their receivers.

“When (Gronkowski) signed, Tom (Brady) texted me and said ‘Football’s fun again,’” House said. “It’s always more fun to work at something you’re having a good time at than it is to work at work.”

I know Brady is venturing out more, but I disagree with this contention.

Ras-IR Dowling · Jul 3, 2020

amfootball said:
That is what I think we will have the hardest time with as a fanbase- Brady's availability. It is the most underrated thing about the guy and he gets literally roasted and made fun for his TB12 program yet he shows up every single week to play and play well. We had Jimmy for literally 6 quarters and he got hurt. We had Brissett and in his first game he tears a tendon in his thumb. Now we have Newton who has had one serious injury on top of another for the past 2 seasons and is only truly effective as a QB when he is a dual threat which will only lend itself to more injuries.

I will bet everything that Brady suits up for all 16 even with literally no off-season against the Pats having to start all 3 of their Qbs due to injury. That is the main reason Bill got Cam IMO. Not just because of the value but because it gives him another body. We can't do 2 Qbs anymore now that Brady is gone.

For someone who is quick to defend the Brady hot takes you’ve got some pretty rediculous ones yourself.

Your assessment of Cam’s game reeks of ignorance. Watch this from just 2 years ago. His completion % in 18 was 67%.

I will say you are correct that TBs durability cannot be understated. That’s why it was smart to get Cam to add to our qb group. If 1 goes down the other will step in, instead of Hoyer.

RobertWeathers · Jul 3, 2020

vuudu said:
This a stretch even for me who is all team BB. I think Tom House just let it out to make a larger point about QB and their receivers.

I know Brady is venturing out more, but I disagree with this contention.

There are multiple examples of Tom pouting, being grumpy and passive-agressive.

Sorry. I will not give him a pass.

Chevrolet · Jul 3, 2020

What Tom said in "private" is a perfect reflection of his attitude last year, when he would pout when things did not go his way and take subtle jabs in press conferences at his teammates for not living up to his standards.

There is n o doubt Tom was not having fun the past few years so it is very good that he left the team...both for Tom and the team.

Last year he behaved selfishly and was not a good team player and it hurt the team.

I expect BB to do extremely well with the rebuilding process.
Tom will do well this year if he can stay healthy and not to succumb to injuries.

VrabelJr · Jul 3, 2020

fnordcircle said:
I'm sure Belichick is a ton less fun to play for than the Arians.

It's probably also going to be a lot more fun to be golfing in January than watching Cam host a Lombardi.

Which of the Lombardis is Cam going to host? I’m guessing Mike? That probably depends which Phase of reopening we are at in February though.

Ras-IR Dowling · Jul 3, 2020

amfootball said:
I did watch Newton in 2018. What Turner did is he no longer had the offense go through Newton. Lots of check downs which is what increased his completion percentage and kept his picks low. Turner for sure is one of the best OCs at creating an offense that is functional and efficient.
And of course even with all that going, Newton took a terrible hit on a drop back that ruined his shoulder and the season was gone. So really, you are making my point for me. Even with a controlled offense that was highly efficient, Newton had a serious season ending injury. And let's be serious here - McDaniels is no Turner and our offense blows. We have no idea if Andrews will be healthy with the lung clots and Wynn has been pretty much a disaster with injury and Cannon is always injured too. And of course no Scar either which is the biggest downgrade to a team that has to keep Newton clean.

I imagine with lots of checkdowns we would find that Cams average yards per attempt would be the lowest in his career. But the stats tell a different story. In fact he had lower yards per attempt in the 2 years prior to Norv.

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