OT: Brady “checked out” after Steelers loss in 2018?

Tampa may not even win their division let alone make it to a superbowl. People think it's so easy because the Pat's did it so many times.

But, the NFC is a bloodbath not to mention saying brady will easily get back totally discounts belichick's coaching and team building that helped get them there. If it was all talent, then Rodgers or manning or brees would have more rings than they do

But it was a combination of HOF talent and HOF coaching that got the patriots there. Also they were clear #1 or #2 team in the AFC every year not sure you can say that about the bucs

I'm sure the Bucs are more fun with bruce arians loose player friendly coaching style vs Bill's military discipline.

But last we forget its little things like Bill having his team run hills that also allowed the team to have stamina to come back in 2016. Mix that with bradys never quit attitude. I just dont think brady alone will being the Bucs glory. Just like while the Pat's may have a successful year if stidham is any good wont reach a superbowl either

sb1 said:

Funny... this is exactly the argument we heard defending Bledsoe 20 years ago. He will be great if only this or that. Everything has to be perfect for him to do well. If something is off then excuse after excuse. It’s never on him at all. Comes full circle I guess.

Also Brady was 36 in 2013 which is a world of difference compared to 43 in the NFL.

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The difference with Bledsoe is that we were always looking for the right scenario for him to succeed and his best years were the exception. Brady has a baseline of excellence and it takes a bad situation to get it to not great but not awful. Also we have evidence of him playing very well in a better situation that year. A decline is massive speculation and against the majority of evidence we have over his career

RIpats88 said:

I'm sure the Bucs are more fun with bruce arians loose player friendly coaching style vs Bill's military discipline.

But last we forget its little things like Bill having his team run hills that also allowed the team to have stamina to come back in 2016. Mix that with bradys never quit attitude. I just dont think brady alone will being the Bucs glory.

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I agree it is probably more fun in Tompa, and it will be tough, and Tom is only one BIG piece of the puzzle.

@farn and others noted that Tampa has a huge uphill battle for lots of reasons. What choice did the Bucs and their fans have? TB12, Winston, Rivers, Red Rocket, Newton or start the rebuild with Jordan Love with the 13th pick? What would you do in that circumstance? I would sign TB12, sign Gronk and tell the players to practice as much as they want.

Did Tampa know it would become a circus? Of course. Did that change their decision? Hell No! Would it have changed yours?

I wish Tom all the best. He is exploring life. My guess is that he will regret the move in the long run because he is following his heart, not his mind.

As The World Turns ................ if you remember that one.

One-If-By-Sea said:

I wish Tom all the best. He is exploring life. My guess is that he will regret the move in the long run because he is following his heart, not his mind.

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Some of my biggest regrets in life are when I did not follow my heart. Tom will be fine. I'm sure he would have regretted not trying out a different team after 20 years. I wish him well also, he did so much for the Patriots franchise it's not even worth listing here it deserves its own thread when he retires.

One-If-By-Sea said:

I agree it is probably more fun in Tompa, and it will be tough, and Tom is only one BIG piece of the puzzle.

@farn and others noted that Tampa has a huge uphill battle for lots of reasons. What choice did the Bucs and their fans have? TB12, Winston, Rivers, Red Rocket, Newton or start the rebuild with Jordan Love with the 13th pick? What would you do in that circumstance? I would sign TB12, sign Gronk and tell the players to practice as much as they want.

Did Tampa know it would become a circus? Of course. Did that change their decision? Hell No! Would it have changed yours?

I wish Tom all the best. He is exploring life. My guess is that he will regret the move in the long run because he is following his heart, not his mind.

As The World Turns ................ if you remember that one.

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I think NE builds to win, while TBay tries to make a splash/statement. We want championships, they want to be relevant. I don’t dispute this will most likely improve them, but I don’t think they’ll make the SB.

farn said:

TBay has the makings of a 2019 Browns season : they are being overhyped. Winning a SB is difficult. Often, it takes skill, hard work, and luck just to make it to the last game of the season. Great teams have been derailed.

They might surprise me, but the number of Brady SBs I see in the future : zero. It’s not a knock on the qb. The math suggests it’s the most likely outcome.

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The math depends on the equations. Given Brady’s history, if he plays in Tampa 3
years, he should win a Super Bowl. That’s how great Brady is.

Of course, we have the obvious question of whether or not Brady can maintain his historical rates on a completely different team. The answer to that is one we will have to wait to see.

I will conclude by repeating something I’ve been saying for about a decade now: No one ever got rich betting against Tom Brady.

farn said:

I think NE builds to win, while TBay tries to make a splash/statement. We want championships, they want to be relevant. I don’t dispute this will most likely improve them, but I don’t think they’ll make the SB.

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Sometime making a splash/statement and having the desire to win goes hand in hand.

Brady was the best FA QB out there (by far) and certainly better than the guy TB let go. Yes they certainly made a splash, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t also make the best choice available and improve their team tremendously.

farn said:

Brady was the conductor of a winning train and am thankful for the two decades of excellence.

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Coach was the conductor of the train. TB12 was one of MANY, MANY players shoveling coal on the fire.

tuckeverlasting said:

of course football is fun again for brady right now. he's throwing to uncovered receivers and no one's trying to take his head off. batting practice is fun too.

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It’s going to be fun for Brady because he will be airing it out this season in a way we haven’t seen in NE in probably a decade (or more). You can’t really blame a QB for enjoying an “everyone go deep” mentality more than a “if no one is open in 3 seconds, throw it away.”

Also, I think there is a big desire to pad some stats on Brady’s part. I think he wants to own the record book when he finishes his career.

wizwor said:

Coach was the conductor of the train. TB12 was one of MANY, MANY players shoveling coal on the fire.

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Well the “conductor” had himself about 7 years of train wrecks before Brady started shoveling.

XLIX said:

Well the “conductor” had himself about 7 years of train wrecks before Brady started shoveling.

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This is where we diverge. Bringing up BB’s lack of success in Cleveland a quarter of a century ago, while dismissing his massive success w the NYG and in his tenure in NE is silly IMO.

sb1 said:

Only sour grapes I’m seeing is from the Bradyites who seem to want this team to crash and burn without their guy in 2020 for some reason. Could be wrong but seems that way. And who can’t get their heads around the fact not everyone here is a Bucs lover now. And we’re supposed to believe Bill is a bad head coach because of his record 3 decades ago or something. Still can’t quite figure that logic out.

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Your interpretation of the "Bradyites" position is horrendously off target. Actually it's clueless.

farn said:

This is where we diverge. Bringing up BB’s lack of success in Cleveland a quarter of a century ago, while dismissing his massive success w the NYG and in his tenure in NE is silly IMO.

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We are talking about BB the head coach. He was not the Head Coach in NY, Bill Parcells was. His time in NY is irrelevant to the discussion.

Fact is Belichick coached 6 years pre-Brady and in all that time has a grand total of 1 playoff victory. Nobody knows what’s going to happen, but he wasn’t even remotely considered a successful HC - let alone among the all time greats - before Brady came along.

XLIX said:

We are talking about BB the head coach. He was not the Head Coach in NY, Bill Parcells was. His time in NY is irrelevant to the discussion.

Fact is Belichick coached 6 years pre-Brady and in all that time has a grand total of 1 playoff victory. Nobody knows what’s going to happen, but he wasn’t even remotely considered a successful HC - let alone among the all time greats - before Brady came along.

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11-5 with Cassel

3-1 with JG and Brissett.

Nuff said.

I don’t think it’s crazy to think BB is a much better coach now than he was in Cleveland.

What has Brady done without Bill?

sb1 said:

11-5 with Cassel

3-1 with JG and Brissett.

Nuff said.

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And how many of those were in the playoffs?

sb1 said:

I don’t think it’s crazy to think BB is a much better coach now than he was in Cleveland.

What has Brady done without Bill?

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That's the thing. We have no sample of Brady without Belichick, so we don't know. But we have 7 years of Belichick without Brady and in those 7 years is a HC that's barely .500 and has all of 1 playoff win.

If you think he "is a better coach now" well, that's all well and good, but that's just prediction. You're hoping he does better than the pre-Brady days. Whereas I have facts and stats on my side.

sb1 said:

11-5 with Cassel

3-1 with JG and Brissett.

Nuff said.

I don’t think it’s crazy to think BB is a much better coach now than he was in Cleveland.

What has Brady done without Bill?

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Belichick was a brilliant coach before Cleveland. He was learning to be a head coach, did have a bad QB situation and poor ownership. And still won a playoff game there.

My guess is the majority of people here want the Patriots do do well, and for Brady to continue to succeed, in that order.

sb1 said:

At 43 and coming off a season where he showed his age and with a new team... I wouldn’t count on it

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That's what most said when he was 37 and won the SB and then at age 39 and he won the SB. And again at age 40 when he won league MVP and age 41 when he won the SB again ...

neuronet said:

My guess is the majority of people here want the Patriots do do well, and for Brady to continue to succeed, in that order.

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No order for me. I want both to succeed equally.

farn said:

He « only » (absurd word to use, but you get the point) got to half of the possible SBs WITH BB and his friends. I’m just not banking on « fun Arians and his one SB loss » getting them there.

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Bank on whatever you want but wise money and reason says to bet on the GOAT QB.