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‘The Last Dance’ Jerry Krause = BB the GM?


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You think you've read the dumbest hot take this place has to offer and then.....
 
11-5 with Cassel and a subpar defense. 3-1 with JG and Brissett.

yeah I’ll take my chances with the greatest coach in the history of the sport.

You don’t need to act like for those two streches BB had awful QB.

Maybe if he had those results with a QB like Nathan Petterman maybe i would have gone in your direction.

Cassel went 11-5 on a team where Brady Would have been 14-2 and Cassel was elected in the pro bowl two years after that.

Jimmy G was a very good QB with a lot of promise and he just played in a SB. And Brisset won some games two.

so don’t act like BB has done it with nothing!
 
The real villain of the Bulls’ demise is Reinsdorf. And he shamelessly used a dead man to take all the flak in his interviews for Last Dance. Krause had his faults, and his neediness for public “credit” was chief among them. He won executive of the year awards, he was written and talked about (still is) as one of the best GMs of his era. But he couldn’t ever just let the players shine - I think there are a lot of difference here but THAT’S where any comparison to BB shatters. Bill knows he’s not out there blocking and tackling. I get that there is this belief that BB is a back room egomaniac who has been licking his chops to get rid of Brady, but I think he’s just an extreme pragmatist. They finally reached a point where they couldn’t legitimately keep Brady and give him a roster that they could expect him to win with. One Last Ride would have been nice, and I hate that Brady is gone, but it happened in 2018 and Brady just outlived it. Gotta teach em how to say goodbye.

Reinsdorf’s laziness, loyalty, and cheapass-ness are the real culprits here. Jordan and Pippen inflated the value of the Bulls franchise how many hundreds of times over? And this guy was too cheap to re-negotiate Pip’s contract because, why? He’d have to do the same for Bill Wennington? Lol what a joke. He was happy to let Krause take the heat because he didn’t want to spend $50m (probably at least for MJ, Pip, Phil, and a new PF) to try to run it back in ‘99. That’s ok, it’s your team, but then OWN that decision and don’t be like “oh well the GM was ready to move on!”

It can be seen with Krause’s successors, Gar/Pax, who got, oh, a solid 15 years of failure in before finally being fired (but not even fired, “reassigned”). It can be seen in his other team, the White Sox, where he has routinely maintained executives for decades despite them having outlived their natural tenure - they won the WS in ‘05, and once all the moving and shaking of trying to repeat that lightning-in-a-bottle season failed the team miserably, they finally just promoted the GM up to team president, and are in like their 4th “rebuild”, just like the Bulls.

The real “oops” for the Bulls in terms of the mismanagement of this situation was not anticipating how MJ and Scotties antipathy toward the franchise affected other players not wanting to come there. No matter how much cap they cleared, or who they drafted, no superstar FA takes Chicago seriously as a landing spot. To this day. I don’t think that will be the same for NE, partly because NBA was and is much more a players league. But there will likely be less of the “vet minimum” or guy-seeking-ring and coming to NE to chase it type deal for now.
 
Typical Biffins trash.
Having watched The Last Dance and learnt more about some of the behind the scenes events after the ‘97 season I find it incredibly that Jerry Krause is still held in such high regard. Jerry wanted to break-up the team after the ‘97 season and only agreed to return Phil and MJ for one more season (MJ had said he would only play for Phil). Why is Krause not demonized more?

Even after it was demonstrably shown he was dead wrong to break up the ‘98 team (they won after all), he still keeps yapping that everyone was over the hill and about to collapse blah blah. See below.

Krause explains why Bulls’ dynasty unraveled, in his words

And infact he wanted to blow up the team even earlier and we might not have gotten the 3 peat. Reminds me of BB wanting to keep JG and we might have missed out on the 2016 and 2018 SBs.

And now BB the GM has been dead set on proving he can win without Brady and that sounds exactly like Krause. And Kraus’ rebuilding famously bombed and failed. He might as well have kept the team together for ‘99 as well and who knows. Winning Championships and SBs are HARD.

I just feel BB the GM is doomed to repeat the same mistakes Krause made.
Not even close to the same situations.
 
« Grossly underpaid ». There are two parts to that. Yes, other players in the league were earning more $. Yes, Pippen was most likely top 5 in the league.

But, Pippen had accepted long-term financial security instead of rolling the dice and betting on himself. I don’t invest money on risky stocks. I don’t spend my life savings on risky ventures. I like being cautious and living well, while knowing I’ll never be wealthy. I don’t cry about being underpaid, because I’m choosing security over the bet of getting richer... Pippen got security. No one forced him to sign a long term.
I wasn't referring to his past, I was referring to the notion Pippen would turn down a massive contract elsewhere to return.
 
Tom is closer to Washington Wizard's Jordan now, so the comparison is absurd.
 
Thought vilifying Krause was the worst part of the series. It’s immature, rewriting history, and taking every awkward word and facial expression of his career to make him be the bad guy in absentia. Classless and baseless.

Krause if a HoF GM who mad et tough calls, yet rebuilt around two alltime greats TWICE.

Jordan & Pippen were exceptional players, but also a-holes and babies. The latter whines about how he’s portrayed, yet as a 50 something he offers that he’d “do the same thing” (walk out of a playoff game). Jordan didn’t NEED to be a huge massive you-know-what. Russell didn’t. Brady didn’t. It’s his huge ego and personality.

The portrayal of Krause was BS. Having said that, BB is just one level ahead - even as a GM. The entire BB crybaby bad GM crowd around here has no idea what they are talking about. BB is a HoF GM even w/o coaching a down.
The optics on Krause were very purposeful by Jordon, as were the optics on Pippen. Jordon was being Jordon I guess and never forgetting or forgiving ANY slight, real or perceived.

Within the so called context of "the last dance", there was absolutely no NEED even to mention that playoff incident. This documentary was about JORDAN. So why gratuitously throw in a bad look for Pippin during a season Jordon wasn't playing and a game the Bulls WON! Really? Michael and his boys just trotting out Pippen's worst NBA moment for no apparent reason other than to demean the 2nd most important player on those Bull's teams. It was simply mean and irrelevant to the context of the series.

I think the same goes for Krausse to a lesser degree. He was a good GM overall, but a guy who made good moves and bad, like every GM who ever took the job. HOF GM?, I don't think so, but not the booggy man that this series makes him out to be.

As to the OP, it was a bad read, Biff. This off season has nothing to do with the theory that Bill "got rid" of Brady simply to prove he can win without him. That is a supposition that has zero merit based on all the definitive evidence over 25years of being a HC.
 
You don’t need to act like for those two streches BB had awful QB.

Maybe if he had those results with a QB like Nathan Petterman maybe i would have gone in your direction.

Cassel went 11-5 on a team where Brady Would have been 14-2 and Cassel was elected in the pro bowl two years after that.

And why do you suppose Cassel who most of us wanted cut after a dreadful preseason in 08 turned into a pro bowl QB?

I really doubt Brady would have done more than one win better than Cassel did. If that. The defense was kinda bad that year. Brady also did one win worse the year after that.

Put the Colts coach on the Pats and it's not likely they finish 11-5. Probably a lot closer to how the Colts did without Manning.


Jimmy G was a very good QB with a lot of promise and he just played in a SB. And Brisset won some games two.
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Monday morning QBing. Nobody was saying such a thing at the time.


so don’t act like BB has done it with nothing!
He sure has. Brady on the other hand hasn't done jack squat in this league without Belichick. If it wasn't for Belichick, he wouldn't even be in the league right now.

He'll get his chance this year.
 
You don’t need to act like for those two streches BB had awful QB.

Maybe if he had those results with a QB like Nathan Petterman maybe i would have gone in your direction.

Cassel went 11-5 on a team where Brady Would have been 14-2 and Cassel was elected in the pro bowl two years after that.

Jimmy G was a very good QB with a lot of promise and he just played in a SB. And Brisset won some games two.

so don’t act like BB has done it with nothing!

What? You're somehow holding it against BB that he went 14-6 with his own backup QB's????
 
Yeah he’s Jerry Krause

if Jerry Krause drafted Michael Jordan

if Jerry Krause was also Phil Jackson

if Jerry Krause reloaded multiple times for multiple championships and built entirely new teams

if Jerry Krause was beloved by the players
 
I really doubt Brady would have done more than one win better than Cassel did. If that. The defense was kinda bad that year. Brady also did one win worse the year after that...
Brady would've gone at least 13-3 with the 2008 team...
...Brady on the other hand hasn't done jack squat in this league without Belichick. If it wasn't for Belichick, he wouldn't even be in the league right now.
Please...
 
Yeah he’s Jerry Krause

if Jerry Krause drafted Michael Jordan

if Jerry Krause was also Phil Jackson

if Jerry Krause reloaded multiple times for multiple championships and built entirely new teams

if Jerry Krause was beloved by the players
Bill is respected, begrudgingly, by players; I doubt he's beloved by them...
 
Brady would've gone at least 13-3 with the 2008 team...

Doubt it. Not with that defense. Would have beaten maybe the Colts but still would have gotten waxed by the Steelers, Dolphins, Chargers and probably still lost to the Jets
 
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Doubt it. Not with that defense. Would have beaten maybe the Jets but still would have gotten waxed by the Steelers, Dolphins, Chargers and probably still lost to the Colts.
This is foolish lol
 
What? You're somehow holding it against BB that he went 14-6 with his own backup QB's????

Not at all. The way sb1 turn his sentence it made it look like BB went 14-6 with all his genius and no QB. I was just pointing the fact that the QB that played these games were not total scrubs.
 
Doubt it. Not with that defense. Would have beaten maybe the Jets but still would have gotten waxed by the Steelers, Dolphins, Chargers and probably still lost to the Colts.
You realize the Steelers have not beaten Tom Brady at Gillette ever right?

And he would’ve easily have beaten the Jets at Gillette.

Pats still easily win the AFC in 2008 with their crappy D.
 
How so? Did you watch the defense that year?
Yes I did. It’s foolish to think Brady who played much better wouldn’t be a big enough difference maker.
 
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