OTish: YouTube basically kills off Lazar/CLNS

Well that totally sucks.

It sucks a lot but are you telling me they didn't keep a backup of all their content but instead relied on the benevolence of a third party host ? As a business ?

That's such a gigantic risk even if the host was Youtube just to save a couple thousand dollars in hosting costs. If you don't pay for the services provided you are not a customer but the product.

I hope they figure the situation out and can continue on - this time with a more risk averse approach.

luuked said:

It sucks a lot but are you telling me they didn't keep a backup of all their content but instead relied on the benevolence of a third party host ? As a business ?

That's such a gigantic risk even if the host was Youtube just to save a couple thousand dollars in hosting costs. If you don't pay for the services provided you are not a customer but the product.

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Sad but true

Yeah - can’t understand how they don’t have backups, given how cheap disk is these days.

That is bizarre, but this isn’t the first time I’ve heard this.

Can someone explain for people who never heard of these guys and don't even really understand social media terribly well? Asking for a friend....

luuked said:

It sucks a lot but are you telling me they didn't keep a backup of all their content but instead relied on the benevolence of a third party host ? As a business ?

That's such a gigantic risk even if the host was Youtube just to save a couple thousand dollars in hosting costs. If you don't pay for the services provided you are not a customer but the product.

I hope they figure the situation out and can continue on this time with a more risk averse approach.

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Agreed. As someone who works in tech. I hear people whine daily about losing information because THEY didn’t protect it and back it up. I can understand being upset about their page being deleted. But I have no tears when a “business” doesn’t protect THEIR information.

XLIX said:

Can someone explain for people who never heard of these guys and don't even really understand social media terribly well? Asking for a friend....

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Since you're a Bucs fan, it's understandable. Every Patriots fan has heard of Lazar, at least on this board. He provides great insight into the game.

Why would YouTube delete their channel? There must be an official reason ??

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Agree 100% about backing it up. Also, with regard to Youtube, Facebook, and all social media...

luuked said:

If you don't pay for the services provided you are not a customer but the product.

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QuantumMechanic said:

Yeah - can’t understand how they don’t have backups, given how cheap disk is these days.

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Hell just move everything to Azure or AWS. Those are business expenses well spend to eliminate a single point of failure.

Smells like CLNS nickel & dimed themselves.

"Priceless content"
No backup plan
$4k loss is devastating
Sobs on Twitter....'can't be our fault' (paraphrase)

My advice: less football, more business courses

There's no way YouTube can't have back-ups and my assumption is they just haven't gotten around to getting back to him yet...which I'm sure is incredibly frustrating.

That's honestly the worst part...the sitting around wondering if/when he'll get a response. But my guess is they will...and hopefully they'll provide a relatively decent explanation as to what the issue was. But truthfully, when you upload stuff to YouTube, you generally don't worry about it being deleted. So I completely get why he's so upset. Nick's a good guy (and so is Evan), so I really hope everything works out.

luuked said:

It sucks a lot but are you telling me they didn't keep a backup of all their content but instead relied on the benevolence of a third party host ? As a business ?

That's such a gigantic risk even if the host was Youtube just to save a couple thousand dollars in hosting costs. If you don't pay for the services provided you are not a customer but the product.

I hope they figure the situation out and can continue on - this time with a more risk averse approach.

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Forgetting the hosting costs, I would like to think they at least saved everything onto an external hard drive after editing the video before uploading it and have all of it somewhere. Having lost things myself over the years, I have a network drive with a dual mirrored hard drive at home that I store stuff on just for that reason.

I agree, you definitely have to keep backups these days just to be safe. However, on the other side, you're talking weeks, if not months worth of upload time if you have to re-upload thousands of videos in the event YouTube admits they made an error but can't or won't restore the ones he's referring to. Hopefully, they get it figured out.

Ian said:

Forgetting the hosting costs, I would like to think they at least saved everything onto an external hard drive after editing the video before uploading it and have all of it somewhere. Having lost things myself over the years, I have a network drive with a dual mirrored hard drive at home that I store stuff on just for that reason.

I agree, you definitely have to keep backups these days just to be safe. However, on the other side, you're talking weeks, if not months worth of upload time if you have to re-upload thousands of videos in the event YouTube admits they made an error but can't or won't restore the ones he's referring to. Hopefully, they get it figured out.

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Exactly. Even if YouTube for some reason won't give him his stuff back, he's gotta have had it on a hard drive somewhere just to load it to the cloud. And then there's all the rough cut footage lying around.

Something about this doesn't add up, on his end.

TommyBrady12 said:

Since you're a Bucs fan, it's understandable. Every Patriots fan has heard of Lazar, at least on this board. He provides great insight into the game.

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Chances are I’ve read him before but just didn’t remember the name.... regardless, still wondering what happened....

Ian said:

However, on the other side, you're talking weeks, if not months worth of upload time if you have to re-upload thousands of videos in the event YouTube admits they made an error but can't or won't restore the ones he's referring to.

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I dont think uploading a couple thousand videos should take longer than a few days if you do it scripted.

And if you do it in reverse chronological order you are essentially up and running after 2-3 hours with the last couple of months of content.

I certainly also hope that they have their stuff stored locally somewhere (ideally in the production version and not in its individual parts) even then the real loss here would be all the meta data that is gone (user engagement, view counts, broken links in articles..).

It sounds like it will be an uphill climb dealing with advertising companies for a while.

Maybe I am biased because I have done my share of full stack web development but to me this is exactly the reason to host your own stuff. You never think demonetization or deactivation can happen to you until you suddenly sit in a total cluster****.

Ian said:

Forgetting the hosting costs, I would like to think they at least saved everything onto an external hard drive after editing the video before uploading it and have all of it somewhere. Having lost things myself over the years, I have a network drive with a dual mirrored hard drive at home that I store stuff on just for that reason.

I agree, you definitely have to keep backups these days just to be safe. However, on the other side, you're talking weeks, if not months worth of upload time if you have to re-upload thousands of videos in the event YouTube admits they made an error but can't or won't restore the ones he's referring to. Hopefully, they get it figured out.

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I don't follow the social media aspects or run websites or anything like that, but I sure do make sure I have my Carbonite subscription up to date. I once had a catastrophic computer crash. Carbonite was worth its weight in gold.

FWIW, CLNS Media has about 2500 videos up right now per YouTube.

Greg said:

Agreed. As someone who works in tech. I hear people whine daily about losing information because THEY didn’t protect it and back it up. I can understand being upset about their page being deleted. But I have no tears when a “business” doesn’t protect THEIR information.

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I have backups of my backups. So I agree with the data loss angle but having to rebuild subscribers sounds arduous.