Would you TANK for Lawrence?

BaconGrundleCandy said:

I'm very excited for Stid. I really am. He's more than capable and I think he has a small chance to be a good starter. Really excited about his mobility and arm talent. Both more than legit.

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Yeah what the previous poster said. With only having a small chance of being a good starter (his mobility and arm talent is legit)...in your opinion...what aspects of his game do you think need more work in order to have a better chance in succeeding? I'll hang up and take this one offline...thank you.

captain stone said:

If we're 2-6 at the trade deadline, then there's NFW we're winning the division with a 4-12 record, so we might as well deal away any of the vets who won't be here - if not in the league at all - by the time we're ready to be seriously competitive again...including the DBs...

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did you even look at the last half of our schedule? If Buffalo doesn't have a good season, we would certainly have a chance at 8-8.

But fine, when will you give up? When we are 1-3?

VJCPatriot said:

1 year of pain for possibly 10+ years of glory? Weigh in. Would you Tank for the best QB prospect in next year's NFL Draft?

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The only man I'd tank for is BB. & we've already got'em. BB will win with Stidham. Just watch.

Zuma said:

Yeah what the previous poster said. With only having a small chance of being a good starter (his mobility and arm talent is legit)...in your opinion...what aspects of his game do you think need more work in order to have a better chance in succeeding? I'll hang up and take this one offline...thank you.

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I mean even 1st round picks chances are low, so a "small" chance is all anyone gets for the most part.

I can give a run down from college but sometimes guys will have a night/day transformation bc they just click with a staff and things really align for the player. So he could have cleaned up what was wrong in college but run into a myriad of other problems next level. I see that a TON with other players. I guy will fix his release or we but will have a problem with the speed on defenders or the physicality of the game.

Hopefully we don't see that with JS.

His pocket presence in general really needed some fixing and some attention imo. And I'm not just talking about handling pressure or getting a feel for when to move, slide, who's coming at you. It's setting yourself up on the right platform to give yourself time and the opportunity to make those anticipatory throws you need to make. There were definitely times where his anticipation was late on certain throws. In terms of a feel for the pocket and on some plays that had very little room for error, he was late which messed up his placement as well.
They're also times where he just didn't handle pressure well and again that was kind of sprinkled throughout his college career. It's not just what happens but how it happens and he made more then a few of the same mistakes which is something you never like to see.
You want to see growth in play, you want to see his confidence grow in certain areas. . Doing everything right at 100mph is tough.



Those 2-3 areas need the most work. Handling pressure, commanding the pocket and consistency in terms of anticipation.

mgteich said:

did you even look at the last half of our schedule? If Buffalo doesn't have a good season, we would certainly have a chance at 8-8.

But fine, when will you give up? When we are 1-3?

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I have indeed looked at the last half of our schedule, and it has 2-6 written all over it, including 4 straight losses...Best case, if Stid can give us 2018 Brady (i.e.: top-8-caliber), then this is a 10-6 roster, max; if he's merely the best QB in a piss-poor QB division but no better, then this is an 8-8 roster; if he's 2018 Auburn Stidham (my guess), 6-10; and if he's not ready if ever for prime time, 4-12.

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I have indeed looked at the last half of our schedule, and it has 2-6 written all over it, including 4 straight losses...Best case, if Stid can give us 2018 Brady (i.e.: top-8-caliber), then this is a 10-6 roster, max; if he's merely the best QB in a piss-poor QB division but no better, then this is an 8-8 roster; if he's 2018 Auburn Stidham (my guess), 6-10; and if he's not ready if ever for prime time, 4-12.

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I agree that we need to be 3-5 to be competitive. We should beat MIA, DEN and the NYJ.

With regard to the end of the season, my point is that there is a good chance to finish strong, IF the team is playing well. Our final 5 are against: LAC, LAR, MIA, BUF and the NYJ.

So, I think that a 3-5 start (beating MIA, DEN and the NYJ is "reasonable"). I also think that a 5-0 finish is possible, so that we COULD have an 8-8 season if we are relatively strong at the end. Obviously, we might beat a stronger team and lose to a weaker one.
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And yes, it is certainly;y possible that we will do much worse.

mgteich said:

Since neither is possible, are you simply skipping the season?

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Neither is possible? F that....if '01 taught us anything...anyone has a shot at winning the SB. And I can see us being in place to draft Lawrence *if* we have massive injuries on defense...say Gilmore tears his ACL in camp, Hightower's shoulder goes limp, and we lose someone like J.C. Jackson for the year with JoeJuan not ready to step in? All of sudden, we will be allowing 27+ ppg.....and putting pressure on the offense to air it out....and end up 3-13 despite Belichick doing a great job.

Anything is possible.

And I will watch IT ALL. No chance I ever skip a season, LOL.

Why tank for anyone? Ray Lewis would just kill them

mgteich said:

I agree that we need to be 3-5 to be competitive. We should beat MIA, DEN and the NYJ.

With regard to the end of the season, my point is that there is a good chance to finish strong, IF the team is playing well. Our final 5 are against: LAC, LAR, MIA, BUF and the NYJ.

So, I think that a 3-5 start (beating MIA, DEN and the NYJ is "reasonable"). I also think that a 5-0 finish is possible, so that we COULD have an 8-8 season if we are relatively strong at the end. Obviously, we might beat a stronger team and lose to a weaker one.
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And yes, it is certainly;y possible that we will do much worse.

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It appears that you and I see this schedule from two, let's just say, different perspectives...Stid would have to perform much, Much better than I feel he's capable of performing, especially on the road where I see us going 2-6 tops, in order for us to compete for the division...

captain stone said:

It appears that you and I see this schedule from two, let's just say, different perspectives...Stid would have to perform much, Much better than I feel he's capable of performing, especially on the road where I see us going 2-6 tops, in order for us to compete for the division...

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Yes, two different opinions.

You seem to believe that we have NO CHANCE of winning more than 2 of these away games: MIA, NYJ, LAC, LAR and BUF. I believe that we indeed have a chance to win more than 2 of these games, especially if Studham is playing well at the end of the season.

mgteich said:

Yes, two different opinions.

You seem to believe that we have NO CHANCE of winning more than 2 of these away games: MIA, NYJ, LAC, LAR and BUF. I believe that we indeed have a chance to win more than 2 of these games, especially if Studham is playing well at the end of the season.

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Out of those 5 mentioned, I see only one win as of now...But if Stid is playing well, then I can see maybe winning at least one on the coast...NFW they're winning at Miami & Barfalo...

captain stone said:

It appears that you and I see this schedule from two, let's just say, different perspectives...Stid would have to perform much, Much better than I feel he's capable of performing, especially on the road where I see us going 2-6 tops, in order for us to compete for the division...

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Didn't you just post that it's possible the Pats go 10-6 with Stid at QB? Even I was like....hmmm IDK about that. I'm thinking more like 9-7 or 8-8 in 2020. So 10-6 is not competing for the division? And BTW...no freakin' chance the Pats look to upgrade at QB if they win 8 or more games in 2020 with Stid at QB. Sorry haters. If Stid is batting roughly 500...not happening unless it's for multiple years...then it's time to move on.

Zuma said:

Didn't you just post that it's possible the Pats go 10-6 with Stid at QB? Even I was like....hmmm IDK about that. I'm thinking more like 9-7 or 8-8 in 2020. So 10-6 is not competing for the division? And BTW...no freakin' chance the Pats look to upgrade at QB if they win 8 or more games in 2020 with Stid at QB. Sorry haters. If Stid is batting roughly 500...not happening unless it's for multiple years...then it's time to move on.

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If Stid can provide over 16 games in 2020 what Grop provided for 1-1/2 games in 2016, then yeah even vs this schedule we could finish 10-6 and compete for the division...not very likely though...
His performances at Seattle & KC before the bye, followed by divisional road games after it, will go a long, Long way toward determining the future of this franchise, for better or for worse...

scott99 said:

It’s interesting you say, Stidham has a SMALL chance to be a good QB. I think he has a chance to be a good QB. I think people are underplaying Stidham’s ability. The kid has a good arm, good mobility, is very confident, is smart, and I’m psyched to see if he makes a good 2nd year jump.

I really think he will pleasantly surprise the doubters. You look at guys who have become good QBs who were drafted in the 3rd round or later recently, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, and even Gardner Minshew had an excellent rookie season this year (21 TDS 6 INTs). Kyle Allen has some success. So it’s possible for Stidham to succeed, especially with the greatest head coach off all time coaching him.

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Look, the Patriots have a good deep team with lots of veterans with SB hardware, and they did a good job the past two off-seasons bringing in players, especially on defense, to fill the holes left by expensive free agents knowing they'd have no cap room after eating Brady's money. Yeah, we should all expect them to get blown out week 2 at Seattle, and week 4 at KC. Other than that, the defense will keep them in every game.

I agree that Jarrett Stidham has a great opportunity to succeed with this particular team. If the offensive line stays healthy and the 1st and 2nd year backups deliver on their abilities, Stidham will have time to throw the ball. The RB group is a bunch of proven veterans who will know where to be and understand their blocking assignments.

Unlike others, I like the receiving corps, especially if the news on Sanu's surgery is accurate. The kids (Harry and Meyers) will be better than in 2020 and be able to play without the spectre of Tom Brady looming over their every step. Edelman is key to the WR room. I pray to God that the Patriots don't pull another AB stunt. Go get a solid veteran to replace Dorsett and let these guys grow into their roles without all the distractions.

The only question is TE, and we'll find out what they have there in terms of help for Stidham. TEs are typically a key safety valve for young QBs. That was the case with Bledsoe and for Brady. Jermaine Wiggins had a great year being Brady's safety valve on the way to the Super Bowl. The TEs won't be expected to be featured in the offense, just asked to block and find the open space.

What do we expect the defense to do this year? That's a good deep unit, and I like what the Patriots did in the off-season the past two years to build depth to step in for the veterans who left due to the cap crunch. If they can swing it, I'd love them bring Jabal Sheard back - he's still unsigned. If they hold opponents to 17-18 PPG, this team will be competitive.

captain stone said:

If Stid can provide over 16 games in 2020 what Grop provided for 1-1/2 games in 2016, then yeah even vs this schedule we could finish 10-6 and compete for the division...not very likely though...
His performances at Seattle & KC before the bye, followed by divisional road games after it, will go a long, Long way toward determining the future of this franchise, for better or for worse...

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Forget the week 2 Seattle and week 4 KC games on the road. Those are both losses. The key games on my calendar are Buffalo at Buffalo, 49ers at home, and the Ravens at home. If they win those three the Patriots will go 11-5 or 10-6.

goheels22002 said:

I agree that Jarrett Stidham has a great opportunity to succeed with this particular team. If the offensive line stays healthy and the 1st and 2nd year backups deliver on their abilities, Stidham will have time to throw the ball. The RB group is a bunch of proven veterans who will know where to be and understand their blocking assignments.

Unlike others, I like the receiving corps...

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goheels22002 said:

Forget the week 2 Seattle and week 4 KC games on the road. Those are both losses. The key games on my calendar are Buffalo at Buffalo, 49ers at home, and the Ravens at home. If they win those three the Patriots will go 11-5 or 10-6.

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I think we all know, if we're honest with ourselves, how those 3 games are going to end...

captain stone said:

I think we all know, if we're honest with ourselves, how those 3 games are going to end...

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L BIlls
W 49ers
L Ravens

Zuma said:

L BIlls
W 49ers
L Ravens

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The Bills are the Bills. We'll see how well they do up there with all the pressure on them to beat the hated Patriots. The Patriots defense will keep them in the game, and when has Josh Allen stepped up in a big game? Last year he completed less than 60% of his passes and threw 21 INTs. I am not sold on him as an NFL starter.

I think the Patriots beat the Ravens at home in prime time. The Patriots defense can handle the Ravens offense with the speed they have in the front seven and the best secondary in the NFL.

The Ravens offense was bad in their one-and-done loss to the Chargers who the Patriots destroyed on the ground. When the big moments came for the Ravens and Lamar Jackson, they choked against the Steelers, the Bengals, the Browns, the Saints, the Chiefs and the Chargers. I am unimpressed by their team performance even with the league MVP.

Until Lamar Jackson wins a playoff game, he's just a fantasy football wet dream.

goheels22002 said:

The Bills are the Bills. We'll see how well they do up there with all the pressure on them to beat the hated Patriots. The Patriots defense will keep them in the game, and when has Josh Allen stepped up in a big game? Last year he completed less than 60% of his passes and threw 21 INTs. I am not sold on him as an NFL starter.

I think the Patriots beat the Ravens at home in prime time. The Patriots defense can handle the Ravens offense with the speed they have in the front seven and the best secondary in the NFL.

The Ravens offense was bad in their one-and-done loss to the Chargers who the Patriots destroyed on the ground. When the big moments came for the Ravens and Lamar Jackson, they choked against the Steelers, the Bengals, the Browns, the Saints, the Chiefs and the Chargers. I am unimpressed by their team performance even with the league MVP.

Until Lamar Jackson wins a playoff game, he's just a fantasy football wet dream.

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It's kind of silly to solely blame Lamar for both of those one and dones considering he almost brought them all the way back against the Chargers and their defense absolutely blew it against Tennessee. The most valid criticism you can make against him from those games is he was unable to overcome the loss of Mark Ingram.

I don't think he plays a particularly sustainable style of football, but it's a team sport and he's largely done his part.