4th and 15 to replace onside kick - vote today

Joey007 · May 28, 2020

Deus Irae said:
So, good news. Along with his usual idiotic editorializing on matters that he almost always gets completely wrong, Florio tossed in this nugget:

Fourth-and-15 discussion centered on two key concerns - ProFootballTalk

Hey go easy on Mike. He’s still grieving about the fact that there will likely be an NFL seaosn.

captain stone · May 28, 2020

sb1 said:
Rule change declined for now. Good.

Danny Kanell can GFH.

Look who's calling somebody else nerdy...a feckin noodle-armed pissant...

captain stone · May 28, 2020

Deus Irae said:
So, good news. Along with his usual idiotic editorializing on matters that he almost always gets completely wrong, Florio tossed in this nugget:

Fourth-and-15 discussion centered on two key concerns - ProFootballTalk

Florio can GFH too..."the greater good" my ass...For whose greater good exactly Mikey is it that Park Avenue wants to eliminate one of the signature plays of the kicking game?

PATSYLICIOUS · May 28, 2020

We woulda been screwed from 2008-2012 under that rule. I feel like Teams used to convert 3rd and 15+ with ease on us

captain stone · May 28, 2020

PATSYLICIOUS said:
We woulda been screwed from 2008-2012 under that rule. I feel like Teams used to convert 3rd and 15+ with ease on us

Yeah 2008 was the last year of the First Dynasty defense, and things became real shaky in the backfield up until the Aqib Talib trade...

sb1 · May 28, 2020

captain stone said:
Yeah 2008 was the last year of the First Dynasty defense, and things became real shaky in the backfield up until the Aqib Talib trade...

Right but the defense was already kinda lousy in 08. That’s why I don’t buy the talk that they were 16-0 if Brady was healthy.

Tottie · May 28, 2020

sb1 said:
Right but the defense was already kinda lousy in 08. That’s why I don’t buy the talk that they were 16-0 if Brady was healthy.

They make the playoffs and have home field? Be hard to argue with that I would think. 2009 was a gongshow. Must of been a weird season for those of you guys with season tickets I think they did pretty well at home so still some good times and then they basically lost everything else.

lancerman · May 28, 2020

Anyone in favor of this should just leave

LuRkeR1978 · May 28, 2020

Boo.

Adopt the XFL style kick off. Nothing else needs to change.

Nikolai · May 29, 2020

Maybe they could just do a spelling bee. I hear that's pretty safe.

scout · May 29, 2020

lancerman said:
Anyone in favor of this should just leave

OTH, submit a defense of the rule change.

Chevrolet · May 29, 2020

This rule would favor elite teams with highly skilled passing QBs on those rare occasions when they are behind

e.g. Patrick Mahomes

Would hurt the Patriots without TB

sieglo · May 29, 2020

Chevrolet said:
This rule would favor elite teams with highly skilled passing QBs on those rare occasions when they are behind

e.g. Patrick Mahomes

Would hurt the Patriots without TB

We got Stid. I’m not worried.

sb1 · May 29, 2020

Chevrolet said:
This rule would favor elite teams with highly skilled passing QBs on those rare occasions when they are behind

e.g. Patrick Mahomes

Would hurt the Patriots without TB

Wouldn’t hurt us to defend it.

PATSYLICIOUS · May 29, 2020

sb1 said:
Right but the defense was already kinda lousy in 08. That’s why I don’t buy the talk that they were 16-0 if Brady was healthy.

agreed, the offense would’ve still been great but that secondary was garbage after asante left, huge difference between 07 and 08. We had ellis hobbs as our #1 cb and the rest of the cbs were jags. Rodney got hurt early, that left merriweather and eugene Wilson at safety? Probably even worse than the 2011 secondary.

lancerman · May 29, 2020

Here’s the problem. It’s late in the game. The other team who is losing finally just drive the ball down the field on an exausted defense late in the 4th to finally build a little traction. This defense that player well enough to have a lead now is being told “oh we aren’t getting the ball back, you now have to go back out on another offensive possession to stop a play and if you don’t a second offensive drive starts”.

Why? Not because of how the game works. Because a coach decided that’s what he wanted to do

Calhoun44 · May 29, 2020

lancerman said:
Here’s the problem. It’s late in the game. The other team who is losing finally just drive the ball down the field on an exausted defense late in the 4th to finally build a little traction. This defense that player well enough to have a lead now is being told “oh we aren’t getting the ball back, you now have to go back out on another offensive possession to stop a play and if you don’t a second offensive drive starts”.

Why? Not because of how the game works. Because a coach decided that’s what he wanted to do

This is a superior point than mine earlier in the thread (although mine is still pretty good). The tired defense factor! Well done.

sambam94 · May 29, 2020

dumbest proposal ever...

captain stone · May 29, 2020

Tottie said:
They make the playoffs and have home field? Be hard to argue with that I would think. 2009 was a gongshow. Must of been a weird season for those of you guys with season tickets I think they did pretty well at home so still some good times and then they basically lost everything else.

Yeah 2009 was a weak-minded, gutless bunch lacking sufficient locker room leadership & talent after Vrabel, $eymour & Hobbs were traded, and all of Bruschi, Colvin, Izzo & Rodney Harrison left/retired...2-6 on the road (8-0 at home) demonstrated their collective lack of intestinal fortitude that season...

Steve102 · May 29, 2020

Nikolai said:
Maybe they could just do a spelling bee. I hear that's pretty safe.

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