4th and 15 to replace onside kick - vote today

Count me in with the hope it doesn't pass crowd

Brandon_Cox said:

Who better than Bill to exploit a loophole?

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BB is so ahead of the curve he may already have a strategy that no one else has thought about.

Brandon_Cox said:

Just spitballing here. There's 5 seconds left in the game, you score a touchdown and are up by 4. You've got a monster punter with toms of hang time. You don't want to kick off and defend all those laterals. Can you take the 4th and 15 and punt? Maybe I missed it, but it doesn't seem that is prevented. You force the other team to fair catch it at their 30 with no chance of the laterals. I'm not sure the clock would be running but you've got the other team backed up, and now you've got your defense on the field, ready to go, (without hopefully your tight end on the field playing defense).

I realize this is all kind of preposterous (I'm still isolating at home and bored). But is it against the rules?

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They already accounted for that. The play is taken without it actually taking anytime off the clock.

With a great punter, choosing the 4th and 15 play with the lead very late in the game and then punting from that formation to bury a team deep in their own territory is a no brainer.

gobesmug said:

They already accounted for that. The play is taken without it actually taking anytime off the clock.

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No need for the clock. Elect the 4th and 15 and then punt and bury the other team inside their 5 with a coffin corner kick and basically ending any realistic chance of a comeback. Even a touchback isn’t the worst thing in the world. Beats defending the laterals.

sb1 said:

No need for the clock. Elect the 4th and 15 and then punt and bury the other team inside their 5 with a coffin corner kick and basically ending any realistic chance of a comeback. Even a touchback isn’t the worst thing in the world. Beats defending the laterals.

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Did anyone actually read the rules?

The ball is on the teams own 25 yard line. That's a 85-90 yard punt.

The clock does not count towards the actual game clock.

Teams can only use it 2 times during the regulation. No OT.

All penalties apply like normal during the play.

So ****ing stupid, just go back to all the old kicking rules

This proposed change sounds really stupid

IllegalContact said:

This proposed change sounds really stupid

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I like your "New Rule", awesome!

Last time I checked, an onside kick has an 8% chance of success.

So the opposing team gets the ball at the 25 if the attempt fails putting them in prime FG position? Yeah, this is dumb. Really dumb.

I can't think of the last time I saw a successful NFL onside kick.

The only major flaw I see here is refs messing it all up with pass interference flags. They should unofficially put the flags away and let players duke it out.

One second minor point is what happens if a player breaks free, do they get a touchdown or do they just get the ball back? If it's just to get the ball back then maybe do it like a 2-point conversion, they have 4th and goal but at the 15 yard line and have to get into the endzone.

Elijah said:

They really aren't. Since the kickoff rules have become stricter, practically all elements of skill have been removed from the onside kick process. If you like watching people get lucky at dice rolls go to the casino.

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Thank you for belying my point Elijahstein.

A successful onside kick is exciting because they are so rare. Similar to a Hail Mary or a Hole in One.

6% of onside kicks were successful in 2019.

[QUOTE="Triumph, post: 5902247, member: 2153"A successful onside kick is exciting because they are so rare. Similar to a Hail Mary or a Hole in One.[/QUOTE]

Which makes this all the more bizarre

scout said:

I like your "New Rule", awesome!

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All lives do matter. Not sure what some idiot kneeling has to do with some idiot police being idiots. But where is the outrage of the 10 people murdered in Chicago over Memorial Day not to mention the 49 shot.

I'm sure if the Pats ever benefit I'll like this change, but from here it's just too much of a potential momentum swing.

Let's say you're up 14-0 and dominating the opposition, they get a TD from a missed OPI call for example and it's 14-7. They then convert the 4th down at which point they could take it down to score, and even go for 2 meaning you lose 15-14, with your O never seeing the ball again.

Assuming success rate jumps up from the onside, a lot of teams will steal wins they plain didn't deserve with this late, unjustified momentum shift.

This rule change is for 1 thing: Money, as it keeps viewers for longer and therefore more commercials revenue. Every decision they make pretends to be about safety but it's about money.

These guys are making this WAY too hard. The solution is so frigging simple no wonder it's beyond them.

You have two options if you want to do an onside kick: First, you can line up like a normal kickoff, with all your players on the line of scrimmage. It's really hard to successfully recover this (WAY harder than before the new kickoff rules), *especially* if the other team knows it's coming. Then it's almost impossible. But you'd use this in a surprise onside kick setting.

Or second, you simply line guys up like in the old way - players 5 yards behind the LOS so they get a running start. But if you line up like that, you HAVE to try an onside kick. If the ball travels more than, say, 20 yards, it's an automatic 10 yard penalty and then you have to kick again.

It's still hard to recover those but much easier than with the new kickoff rules. And it's not gimmicky - it's how it's been done for decades in the NFL.

I've thought about this too much and I cannot think of a downside to this concept. And it takes away the gimmicks.

Triumph said:

They are destroying the game.

Successful onside kicks are one of the most exciting plays in football.

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I'm extremely grateful that I got to see the team I chose to follow reach the mountaintop while the sport was still recognizable. I would prefer otherwise but, if the NFL wants to burn, I can live with it now. Let them burn.

NFL's fourth-and-15 onside kick replacement proposal doesn't pass
NFL's fourth-and-15 onside kick replacement proposal doesn't pass

The owners tabled the proposal.

Kenneth Sims said:

NFL's fourth-and-15 onside kick replacement proposal doesn't pass
NFL's fourth-and-15 onside kick replacement proposal doesn't pass

The owners tabled the proposal.

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Good. They'll probably come up with something even worse, but at least that won't be for another year (hopefully).