PHOTO: Jakobi Meyers Looks Ahead To Year Two In The NFL

40yrpatsfan said:

When you say the same exact negative thing in dozens of posts, I think it's time to stfu, seriously.

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How about this instead?

I'm POSITIVE Harry is a bust.

iapatsfan said:

How about this instead?

I'm POSITIVE Harry is a bust.

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How about you're a loser and the rest of us would like you to stop posting here.

iapatsfan said:

How about this instead?

I'm POSITIVE Harry is a bust.

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He very well could become a bust.

Or he could also become a productive wr.

The problem posters are having with you is your guarantee off of 1/2 a season citing lack of speed and seperation when he dealt with a bum ankle all summer eventually landing on PUP. When you combine the missed time with the complexity of the offense that’s gonna screw any rookie WRs chance at a productive season.

Brady was holding Myers/Harry back they will be Hall of Fame players, am I doing this right?

Wozzy said:

Harry was faster and more mobile than Benjamin coming out of college... and you're comparing him to an old Kelvin. Just absurd.

Harry has similar athleticism to AJ Brown, Terrell Owens, Josh Gordon and Mike Evans... that's actually in the measurables.

Eyeball tests are about as useful as a knuckle in my johnson.

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You can’t compare him to those guys and call someone else comparison absurd

40yrpatsfan said:

How about you're a loser and the rest of us would like you to stop posting here.

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Don’t worry, once the Pats win a game or two you won’t be seeing him again.

UptownPatsFan said:

BB’s definition of “good” is all that qualifies...

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That plus one dollar will win you a bet vs the Duke brothers...

condon84 said:

Thread has great comedic potential to be upped once season is done.

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Yep...one way or the other...

40yrpatsfan said:

How about you're a loser and the rest of us would like you to stop posting here.

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Truth hurts sometimes, I know...

carmelo15 said:

You can’t compare him to those guys and call someone else comparison absurd

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If they have similar height, weight, wingspan, speed, agility, explosion and strength then yes, I can compare them athletically.

It doesn't mean they'll be the same player, it means they compare athletically... so when one says Harry is a bad/slow/not good athlete they'd be outright wrong. Its like saying Jason McCourty looks nothing like Devin.

A player can be a great athlete and still be a bad WR. If Harry doesn't thrive it won't be due to his athleticism but rather his health, what's between his ears or the desire in his heart. Saying he's slow or a bad athlete is wrong, they actually measure athleticism.

carmelo15 said:

Brady was holding Myers/Harry back they will be Hall of Fame players, am I doing this right?

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How about Brady's lack of practice time early on with those two players held them back, and his inability to practice during the season exacerbated the problem.

Wozzy said:

If they have similar height, weight, wingspan, speed, agility, explosion and strength then yes, I can compare them athletically.

It doesn't mean they'll be the same player, it means they compare athletically... so when one says Harry is a bad/slow/not good athlete they'd be outright wrong. Its like saying Jason McCourty looks nothing like Devin.

A player can be a great athlete and still be a bad WR. If Harry doesn't thrive it won't be due to his athleticism but rather his health, what's between his ears or the desire in his heart. Saying he's slow or a bad athlete is wrong, they actually measure athleticism.

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So your position is that all good college players who test well at the combine "thrive" in the NFL provided they are healthy, intelligent and have a strong desire to succeed? You don't think there's such a thing as not playing to your timed speed? They can measure anything they want, but it doesn't mean those measurements show up on the field. There is a skill to beating DBs. Harry does not possess that skill, rendering his combine results irrelevant.

iapatsfan said:

So your position is that all good college players who test well at the combine "thrive" in the NFL provided they are healthy, intelligent and have a strong desire to succeed? You don't think there's such a thing as not playing to your timed speed? They can measure anything they want, but it doesn't mean those measurements show up on the field. There is a skill to beating DBs. Harry does not possess that skill, rendering his combine results irrelevant.

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"Not playing to your timed speed," falls under intelligence and desire to work at your craft. Judging from Harry's offseason workouts posted online, he's working at his craft.

Since you've seen Harry all of 2 minutes and are generally a Negative Nancy, nothing you say can be taken seriously. In your estimation every young prospect sucks... until they don't.

It could be described as a "safe" position to take given the tenuous nature of rookies, but that's not what I'd call it.

40yrpatsfan said:

When you say the same exact negative thing in dozens of posts, I think it's time to stfu, seriously.

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More like hundreds of posts in every thread.

Wozzy said:

"Not playing to your timed speed," falls under intelligence and desire to work at your craft. Judging from Harry's offseason workouts posted online, he's working at his craft.

Since you've seen Harry all of 2 minutes and are generally a Negative Nancy, nothing you say can be taken seriously. In your estimation every young prospect sucks... until they don't.

It could be described as a "safe" position to take given the tenuous nature of rookies, but that's not what I'd call it.

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It's much more than that...playing to your timed speed would first require you to get around/through/by the defender covering you (in a man to man situation). Harry has never shown that ability. He succeeded in college because the skill wasn't as crucial vs the competition he was facing. It is a necessary skill now, and he doesn't possess it.

Heard from a Patriots source that he has to leave an hour early for practice every day because he always takes the wrong route.

iapatsfan said:

It's much more than that...playing to your timed speed would first require you to get around/through/by the defender covering you (in a man to man situation). Harry has never shown that ability. He succeeded in college because the skill wasn't as crucial vs the competition he was facing. It is a necessary skill now, and he doesn't possess it.

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It's much more than what? Harry was wildly successful in college, he was good in spurts for the Patriots in what can only be described as a dysfunctional passing attack, and issues with passing went way beyond the "talent" of the receivers.

You're suggesting the only measure of "good" is your arbitrary eyeball test which the rest of us have to take on faith is correct. Assuming Stidham is any good, let's see how these same WR's from last year look in a fully functioning and healthy passing attack.

“Searching for solutions” NFL teams surround their JAG QB starters with premium weapons to compensate for their jaggy QB.

Sad Tompa clearly believes he is at that stage in his career, the latter stage which requires an arsenal of premium weapons to make him look good.

I am most curious to see how Tampa reconciles Tompa’s ingrained sub-2 second internal clock in an offense that traditionally allows deeper pass patterns to develop.
Will the Bucc’s premium WRs eagerly embrace the surplus of 2 yd routes that Brady adores. Wonder if their agents think the short passing game is the best way for their clients to get paid Odell $$$$$?

Wozzy said:

It's much more than what? Harry was wildly successful in college, he was good in spurts for the Patriots in what can only be described as a dysfunctional passing attack, and issues with passing went way beyond the "talent" of the receivers.

You're suggesting the only measure of "good" is your arbitrary eyeball test which the rest of us have to take on faith is correct. Assuming Stidham is any good, let's see how these same WR's from last year look in a fully functioning and healthy passing attack.

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The measure of "good" for a WR is being able to get open and catch the ball. Harry is bad at 50% of that.

Good in spurts? He had 12 catches.

iapatsfan said:

The measure of "good" for a WR is being able to get open and catch the ball. Harry is bad at 50% of that.

Good in spurts? He had 12 catches.

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In an injury shortened season with a disgruntled QB who prefers name brand weapons to rookie WR's.