PHOTO: Jakobi Meyers Looks Ahead To Year Two In The NFL

State · May 10, 2020

Wozzy said:
They have plenty of talent, what did you prove by the age of 23?

Non sequitor much?

State · May 10, 2020

40yrpatsfan said:
Meyers is a lock. Harry and Sanu will be much more productive. Lee and Byrd are the x factors. Jules will be Jules

Not necessarily. Without an outside speed threat to vertically threaten the defense, defenses can load up the box and bash Jules back to the Stone Age.

An older player, he may also be more susceptible to injury.

Sanu and Harry must make big improvements this season. And we need a reasonably effective rushing attack sans Dante.

condon84 · May 10, 2020

Thread has great comedic potential to be upped once season is done.

Zuma · May 10, 2020

everlong said:
With that prediction Stidham will throw for around 4,500 yards. I actually hope this ISN'T the case because it probably means they're playing from behind a lot. In 2008 Cassel threw for 3700 yards. Adjusting for not playing the first two games of 2001 Brady averaged out to about that same 3700 over the first 6 years as a starter. Now granted it's a more pass heavy league now but I'd feel a lot better with him only having 3700 yards but being 2:1 or better on TD:INT. So something in line with 26 TDs and 12 interceptions.

To do that I think the backs need to be over 1600 yards for the season at a minimum. In 2008 Bill dialed it back on the passing game to control the game and clock and they rushed for 2,278.

They also played a ridiculously easy schedule in 2008. This year on paper looks to be a lot more difficult. If they go into Seattle, KC, Baltimore and some of these other games and chuck it around they're going to get blown out, especially on the road.

My post reads “between 518 and 934 yards.” It does not read they will all have 934 yards each. So if you want to play that game then 518 x 6 = 3108 yards. I actually hope that number is low for 16 games but we will see how the running game shakes out.

Wozzy · May 10, 2020

State said:
Non sequitor much?

You need a refresher on the term non sequitur.

Wozzy · May 10, 2020

State said:
Not necessarily. Without an outside speed threat to vertically threaten the defense, defenses can load up the box and bash Jules back to the Stone Age.

An older player, he may also be more susceptible to injury.

Sanu and Harry must make big improvements this season. And we need a reasonably effective rushing attack sans Dante.

Jules receiving 153 targets while the next WR, one of the fastest guys in the NFL btw, getting 54 targets is why Jules was bashed back to the stone age.

The Pats ran the ball well in the final third of the regular season, by that point the passing attack was already broken.

State · May 10, 2020

Wozzy said:
You need a refresher on the term non sequitur.

I doubt that.

Wozzy · May 10, 2020

State said:
I doubt that.

If said poster is calling 22 year old WR's who played with an old cranky QB last season too injured to practice "busts," then my comment was entirely on point.

iapatsfan · May 10, 2020

Wozzy said:
If said poster is calling 22 year old WR's who played with an old cranky QB last season too injured to practice "busts" then my comment was entirely on point.

As a WR he is a 100% guarantee to be a bust. Instead of working with the "footwork specialists" he's working with now, he should get Shannon Sharpe on the phone and follow in his playing career footsteps. Put on 15 lbs and become a TE like SS did when he got to the NFL. I honestly feel he could have a career as a move TE.

Anybody with working eyes can watch Harry play and see he is far too slow on the field to beat NFL DBs. He is nowhere near an NFL WR in terms of playing speed. Everything he does is heavy-footed, slow and easy to defend. DBs playing him in man look like they're moving at 1/2 speed defending him.

Wozzy · May 10, 2020

iapatsfan said:
As a WR he is a 100% guarantee to be a bust. Instead of working with the "footwork specialists" he's working with now, he should get Shannon Sharpe on the phone and follow in his playing career footsteps. Put on 15 lbs and become a TE like SS did when he got to the NFL. I honestly feel he could have a career as a move TE.

Anybody with working eyes can watch Harry play and see he is far too slow on the field to beat NFL DBs. He is nowhere near an NFL WR in terms of playing speed. Everything he does is heavy-footed, slow and easy to defend. DBs playing him in man look like they're moving at 1/2 speed defending him.

You're a one note wonder.

Every young Patriot is a bust in your eyes.

N'Keal is as fast as AJ Brown or Mike Evans... so if he busts it will be what's between his ears or injury.

iapatsfan · May 10, 2020

Wozzy said:
You're a one note wonder.

Every young Patriot is a bust in your eyes.

N'Keal is as fast as AJ Brown or Mike Evans... so if he busts it will be what's between his ears or injury.

He's not. Maybe on a track after training for a specific event, but he's late career-Kelvin Benjamin-like slow on the field. It is painful to watch him try and get open.

Not every pick is a bust in my eyes. I'm hopeful with Asiasi. Think Uche could be a stud. Keene is a JAG.

Wozzy · May 10, 2020

iapatsfan said:
He's not. Maybe on a track after training for a specific event, but he's late career-Kelvin Benjamin-like slow on the field. It is painful to watch him try and get open.

Not every pick is a bust in my eyes. I'm hopeful with Asiasi. Think Uche could be a stud. Keene is a JAG.

Harry was faster and more mobile than Benjamin coming out of college... and you're comparing him to an old Kelvin. Just absurd.

Harry has similar athleticism to AJ Brown, Terrell Owens, Josh Gordon and Mike Evans... that's actually in the measurables.

Eyeball tests are about as useful as a knuckle in my johnson.

everlong · May 10, 2020

Zuma said:
My post reads “between 518 and 934 yards.” It does not read they will all have 934 yards each. So if you want to play that game then 518 x 6 = 3108 yards. I actually hope that number is low for 16 games but we will see how the running game shakes out.

The average of between 518 and 934 is 724 yards. I rounded up to 750 because I was too lazy to do the exact math. If you want to take off a couple hundred yards and call it 4200 or whatever the point still stands that to be successful being efficient is more important than volume next year. The run game is simply imperative.

I also wasn't trying to call you out. I like the optimism. I was just going through my thought process on what will make this season successful and why. You post was merely a springboard for that purpose.

iapatsfan · May 10, 2020

Wozzy said:
Harry was faster and more mobile than Benjamin coming out of college... and you're comparing him to an old Kelvin. Just absurd.

Harry has similar athleticism to AJ Brown, Terrell Owens, Josh Gordon and Mike Evans... that's actually in the measurables.

Eyeball tests are about as useful as a knuckle in my johnson.

In terms of play speed, he isn't comparable to any of those guys. The guy cannot get open. All of those guys can/could, and yes I am saying he plays as slow as an old KB. The guy looks like his feet are in mud on a football field.

Watch the players covering him. They don't even have to try. He needs to go the way of Shannon Sharpe to not be out of the league in three years.

Zuma · May 10, 2020

everlong said:
The average of between 518 and 934 is 724 yards. I rounded up to 750 because I was too lazy to do the exact math. If you want to take off a couple hundred yards and call it 4200 or whatever the point still stands that to be successful being efficient is more important than volume next year. The run game is simply imperative.

I also wasn't trying to call you out. I like the optimism. I was just going through my thought process on what will make this season successful and why. You post was merely a springboard for that purpose.

I agreed with you. We know the running game is vital. I like my 3108 yards for that reason and it sounds like you agree. Let’s hope they dont sniff 4500 yards as you mentioned.

Wozzy · May 10, 2020

iapatsfan said:
In terms of play speed, he isn't comparable to any of those guys. The guy cannot get open. All of those guys can/could, and yes I am saying he plays as slow as an old KB. The guy looks like his feet are in mud on a football field.

Watch the players covering him. They don't even have to try. He needs to go the way of Shannon Sharpe to not be out of the league in three years.

"Play speed" is a fictional eyeball test concept.

Whether he is smart enough to understand the offense is debatable, but one injury shortened season with an old disgruntled QB too injured to practice is not a reasonable sample size to determine that. I like that he's working on his craft and footwork.

Chad Jackson was the most athletically gifted WR in the 2006 draft. Bethel Johnson was the fastest player on the Patriots at that time. They weren't good WR's... but athleticism wasn't their problem.

N'Keal, Dalton Keene, the young UDFA WR's they're bringing in Jeff Thomas, Sean Riley and Will Hastings are all good athletes. Damiere Byrd is one of the fastest guys on the planet, he's tiny but if Stidham can hit small targets, if he's accurate then that won't matter.

"No talent" is a weak take... and again, seems to be your only take.

iapatsfan · May 10, 2020

Wozzy said:
"Play speed" is a fictional eyeball test concept.

Whether he is smart enough to understand the offense is debatable, but one injury shortened season with an old disgruntled QB too injured to practice is not a reasonable sample size to determine that. I like that he's working on his craft and footwork.

Chad Jackson was the most athletically gifted WR in the 2006 draft. Bethel Johnson was the fastest player on the Patriots at that time. They weren't good WR's... but athleticism wasn't their problem.

N'Keal, Dalton Keene, the young UDFA WR's they're bringing in Jeff Thomas, Sean Riley and Will Hastings are all good athletes. Damiere Byrd is one of the fastest guys on the planet, he's tiny but if Stidham can hit small targets, if he's accurate then that won't matter.

"No talent" is a weak take... and again, seems to be your only take.

It's not fictional at all. Phillip Dorsett was a 4.3 guy, but how many times did you seem him outrun anyone? Not often.

Harry had problems getting open in college...there is absolutely no reason to expect those problems to subside facing far superior competition. 8.8 yds per reception is who he is. The guy is simply not good. I would bet money on him never reaching Kelvin Benjamin numbers (unless he pulls a Shannon Sharpe and moves to TE).

Keene is an absolute JAG, but I'm hoping for the best with the others you mentioned.

TheRainMaker · May 10, 2020

Harry looked absolutely pathetic last year. But there have been many WR’s not do much in their first few years until they magically turn it on.

I berate this guy a lot, but want to see how he does with a full camp/preseason/season with another QB.

Wait a second.......I thought we were discussing Jacobi Myers?

Wozzy · May 10, 2020

iapatsfan said:
It's not fictional at all. Phillip Dorsett was a 4.3 guy, but how many times did you seem him outrun anyone? Not often.

Harry had problems getting open in college...there is absolutely no reason to expect those problems to subside facing far superior competition. 8.8 yds per reception is who he is. The guy is simply not good. I would bet money on him never reaching Kelvin Benjamin numbers (unless he pulls a Shannon Sharpe and moves to TE).

Keene is an absolute JAG, but I'm hoping for the best with the others you mentioned.

Harry had 82 receptions 1142 yards 8 TD's as a true sophomore, he had
73 receptions 1088 yards 9 TD's as a junior... that's second in the PAC-12 in yards both seasons... if that's "a problem getting open" let's hope for those kind of problems as a Patriot.

40yrpatsfan · May 10, 2020

iapatsfan said:
It's not fictional at all. Phillip Dorsett was a 4.3 guy, but how many times did you seem him outrun anyone? Not often.

Harry had problems getting open in college...there is absolutely no reason to expect those problems to subside facing far superior competition. 8.8 yds per reception is who he is. The guy is simply not good. I would bet money on him never reaching Kelvin Benjamin numbers (unless he pulls a Shannon Sharpe and moves to TE).

Keene is an absolute JAG, but I'm hoping for the best with the others you mentioned.

When you say the same exact negative thing in dozens of posts, I think it's time to stfu, seriously.

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