DRAFT Dalton Keene

Ring 6 · May 4, 2020

ctpatsfan77 said:
A more accurate statement would be that they think they can get more value out of the pick by trading down than they can by using the higher pick.

For example, with the Chargers trade, they could easily have taken Dugger at 23, but they figured the likelihood they wouldn't get him at 37 was small enough to trade down and pick up 71 in the process.

Similarly, if you have 5 players more-or-less tied, and someone offers you a chance to trade down 3 spots, you know you're going to get at least one of your targets.

Kind of semantics.

PittPatriot · May 5, 2020

Ring 6 said:
They don’t trade down because they want a player in the slot but guess he will go later. They trade down based upon nor having a player they value in that slot.
I mean if you want to think that teams are ready to pick a player then say wait kiper has him rated a round later, let’s trade down because kipers always right and no one will take him, ok, but I disagree.

@ctpatsfan1 nails it in the above post.
What I bolded in your post is the opposite of what he is saying… It’s not “semantics.”

Ring 6 · May 5, 2020

PittPatriot said:
@ctpatsfan1 nails it in the above post.
What I bolded in your post is the opposite of what he is saying… It’s not “semantics.”

No it’s the same thing from a different angle.
Trading down because there is no one of value on the board and trading down because there will be more value later are the same thing.
The point remains that you do not have a player you feel is value at the slot and then trade down on a guess that he will still get there later. It simply doesn’t work that way.

Zuma · May 5, 2020

I’m not sure Keene is going to be at FB very often. I’m of the belief that Vitale (who has receiving skills) and Johnson will handle those duties most of the time and Keene and Asiasi will mostly block LB and DB’s. IMO Keene and Asiasi will be on the field often in 2 TE sets as receivers playing small ball. I think that’s part of the reason no WR’s were drafted and also so Stidham can make more higher percentage throws while he gets more comfortable in the system.

rochrist · May 5, 2020

captain stone said:
179th...6th round...Exactly where he should've been taken...and Absolutely, Positively, NEVER ahead of Adam Trautman and Harrison Bryant...Same goes for Assyassy...

Don't you get tired of being so consistently wrong? I thought Jaylen Brown was gonna be out of the league by now?

Mark Morse · May 5, 2020

n6249c said:
I noticed the Pats traded up to draft Asiasi at pick 91 then the Pack quickly drafted their TE, Deguara, at 94.
Then the Pats traded up to get Keene at 101 followed quickly by the Saints trading up to take Trautman at 104.
Seems like maybe the Pats know what’s going on.

Asiasi and Deguara were 1- 2 in blocking ability.

mgteich · May 5, 2020

jimnance said:
Yeah. I think Belichick did a good job covering the position.
I don't think Keene is primarily going to be a fb, but I'm sure he'll play there some. We should see some 2te formations with him occassionaly in the backfield. The team is just better with a fb.

I agree that the team does better with a fullback.

Are you saying that we are cutting our two fullbacks? Or are you saying that we will sit our #1 FB and give Keene reps at fullback?

captain stone · May 5, 2020

rochrist said:
Don't you get tired of being so consistently wrong? I thought Jaylen Brown was gonna be out of the league by now?

Never said that Jaylen Brown should be out of the league...only that he didn't deserve to be drafted #3 overall.

NG Pats Fan · May 5, 2020

captain stone said:
179th...6th round...Exactly where he should've been taken...and Absolutely, Positively, NEVER ahead of Adam Trautman and Harrison Bryant...Same goes for Assyassy...

most mock drafts had Keene projected 6th round...ugh

jimnance · May 5, 2020

mgteich said:
I agree that the team does better with a fullback.

Are you saying that we are cutting our two fullbacks? Or are you saying that we will sit our #1 FB and give Keene reps at fullback?

He played some fb in college. But I think Vitale is our #1 fb.
What I was saying is I think we'll see a fair amount of 2 tes. I think sometimes
Keene will line up in the backfield.
No he will not be our primary fb. But the fact he has some experience there gives BB and Josh some flexibility. One more option to keep defenses guessing.
He could run or passblock, or release out of backfield as a receiving option.

iapatsfan · May 5, 2020

What is it this guy supposedly does well?

Ras-IR Dowling · May 5, 2020

iapatsfan said:
What is it this guy supposedly does well?

Blocks well
Catches well

Things we didn’t have from the TE spot last year.

Wozzy · May 5, 2020

NG Pats Fan said:
most mock drafts had Keene projected 6th round...ugh

Most mock drafts are by "experts" whose only credentials are their degree in journalism.

rochrist · May 5, 2020

captain stone said:
Never said that Jaylen Brown should be out of the league...only that he didn't deserve to be drafted #3 overall.

Heh. You said a lot worse stuff than that.

iapatsfan · May 5, 2020

Ras-IR Dowling said:
Blocks well
Catches well

Things we didn’t have from the TE spot last year.

20 catches a year?

And this evidence of him being good blocker?

Ras-IR Dowling · May 5, 2020

iapatsfan said:
20 catches a year?

And this evidence of him being good blocker?

There’s tape of him out there. Go watch it.

iapatsfan · May 6, 2020

Ras-IR Dowling said:
There’s tape of him out there. Go watch it.

Go 45 seconds into this video.

Ras-IR Dowling · May 6, 2020

iapatsfan said:
Go 45 seconds into this video.

How bout you go listen to the commentator at the 57 sec mark of the same game.

jah · May 6, 2020

mgteich said:
I agree that the team does better with a fullback.

Are you saying that we are cutting our two fullbacks? Or are you saying that we will sit our #1 FB and give Keene reps at fullback?

I think we're going to keep and use both Johnson and Vitale, but I also think the versatility is there to audible into a FB formation with 2 TE 0 FB packages.

Vatahala · May 6, 2020

iapatsfan said:
What is it this guy supposedly does well?

He should be a fixture on special teams.

Tremendous work ethic and character. Every spring break he chose to get-up at 630am and go to his HS and train and teach HS football players.

A teammate that other players admire.

He will never be out worked or unprepared.

Plus he can find, kill, and cook a wild boar.

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