Bengals release QB Andy Dalton

primetime said:

That said, I think it's more likely than not that Stidham turns out to be a worse QB than Andy Dalton.

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Ignoring BB's evident belief in Stidham, sure. If BB brings on Dalton, you are right. If he doesn't, you are wrong. It's not credible that BB's proprietary knowledge of Stidham from coaching him for a year is meaningless.

don’t pass up on Rick Astley!

Signing Dalton or Newton would prove "cap is crap".

KontradictioN said:

Chatham is just getting himself warmed up to praise the move on Twitter... right before he pens a letter to BB to ask him for a vacuum-sealed bag of his farts to inhale.

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I had one of those BB fart-bags. The aroma was similar to that of a rose.

Elijah said:

I don't think Dalton would be much worse (if worse at all) than first year starter Stidham, so why would it be any more painful than watching Stidham?

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Because Stid-O-Matic could be the future. Dalton would be just a bridge.

TBR said:

All Dalton would do is screw up the Pats' draft position. No thanks.

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So you think he would add wins therefore you don’t want him?
What team are you a fan of?

KontradictioN said:

With those yellow eyes.

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Hows the new Mrs. Kontra feeling? Morning sickness?

Elijah said:

I probably complained a lot about Tebow that preseason, but it was never about him as a person. It was that he was a waste of QB reps (which I maintain).

Also, I'm pretty sure ChristianCat was not the victim you're making her (think there was a gender reveal at some point); she was constantly starting **** around here and I'm sure was rightfully dismissed as a non-Patriots fan troll by many.

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Christian Cat wasn't the problem as much as people who wanted to complain about her. Those were the people that I had issues with. It's similar to when I play golf and there's a slow group. The bigger problem is the person in our group who does nothing but complain about the slow play. It doesn't help.

As for Tebow, he was never going to be a QB. I think that was already determined by the time we picked him up. Too bad he didn't try another position.

1960Pats said:

I didn't think Tebow or his few followers were the problem as much as fans complaining about them. One guy, ChristianCat, was like honey to a group of angry bees.

Not being a college fan I never got to see Tebow perform. From the little I did see Tebow could have been awesome if he moved positions, which is what I think BB wanted. He was like a bull.

What I didn't get was the level of dislike for the kid. He seems like a very decent person.

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100 percent agree dont know how anyone could dislike him

There are some who actually believe Bill will sign Andy Dalton when he's got Studham on the roster?

Jarrett is about to take over the kingdom, and he will remember all of the doubters.

robertweathers said:

Hows the new Mrs. Kontra feeling? Morning sickness?

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Afternoon and evening sickness, actually. Good news for the baby’s development, apparently. She’s in Hell, but that’s okay.

TBR said:

All Dalton would do is screw up the Pats' draft position. No thanks.

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Yup getting to the playoffs does that.

If the goal is a high draft pick, then start Stidham, trade or cut Hightower and cut any dog the other vets in their final season.

Of course, that isn't Belichick's goal or he wouldn't have paid Jason's option or signed Devin.

TheRainMaker said:

Signing Dalton or Newton would prove "cap is crap".

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Why? Is it because you don't think that we have the $8M max cap room it would take? Others understand that the cap money is readily available when needed.

TBR said:

All Dalton would do is screw up the Pats' draft position. No thanks.

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Or improve it. But still no thanks for me too.

mgteich said:

Yup getting to the playoffs does that.

If the goal is a high draft pick, then start Stidham, trade or cut Hightower and cut any dog the other vets in their final season.

Of course, that isn't Belichick's goal or he wouldn't have paid Jason's option or signed Devin.

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We should all know by now that BB's treating this season like all the others. He'll be trying to win no matter what he has.
If he brings in Dalton or any other QB, we'll know that it's his choice and...

In Bill We Trust.

Kasmir said:

Ignoring BB's evident belief in Stidham, sure. If BB brings on Dalton, you are right. If he doesn't, you are wrong. It's not credible that BB's proprietary knowledge of Stidham from coaching him for a year is meaningless.

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I mean, whether Stidham turns out to be a better or worse quarterback than Dalton seems to me a question independent of whether Belichick has faith in him or not. Would I put money on Stidham starting 10 seasons, going to the Pro Bowl three times, and finishing those 10 seasons with a winning record and over 200 touchdowns? No, I would not. Nor would I make a bet at even money that Stidham would outperform Dalton next year if you could play some parallel season with both as quarterback of the Patriots.

Any belief in Stidham is pure religion (Belichick must like him, so he must be good) but historically the probability of a 4th rounder being a good quarterback is not very high. Ryan Finley and Will Grier were drafted higher than Stidham last year and were both putrid.

Going back to 1990 and excluding this and last year, there were 259 QBs drafted in round 3 or later. Of those, the following were 'acceptable' starters for some period of time:
1. Neil O'Donnell
2. Brad Johnson
3. Mark Brunell
4. Gus Frerotte
5. Matt Hasselbeck
6. Marc Bulger
7. Tom Brady
8. Josh McCown
9. David Garrard
10. Matt Schaub
11. Kyle Orton
12. Matt Cassel
13. Ryan Fitzpatrick
14. Tyrod Taylor
15. Russell Wilson
16. Nick Foles
17. Kirk Cousins
18. Dak Prescott
19. Jacoby Brissett

Note that many of those guys weren't all that good, you never really feel comfortable with a Kyle Orton or Jacoby Brissett or Ryan Fitzpatrick as your starter, but that's a 7.3% success rate in finding an acceptable starter. Cut down the list to above average or better starters, guys I'd absolutely take over Dalton (i.e. Brunell, Hasselbeck, Brady, Wilson, Cousins, Prescott) - you're at a 2.3% success rate.

There were a couple undrafted guys in this timeframe (Warner, Romo, Delhomme, Garcia, Fiedler, and Hoyer being notable names) that you could add but it still doesn't do much to move the needle considering there have been hundreds of undrafted QBs.

Haven't read this whole thread, I'll just add my 2 cents. I don't want them to sign Andy Dalton, I've seen too many of his games where he was downright awful.

1960Pats said:

We should all know by now that BB's treating this season like all the others. He'll be trying to win no matter what he has.
If he brings in Dalton or any other QB, we'll know that it's his choice and...

In Bill We Trust.

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If Belichick was treating this season like all the others, Brady would be a member of the Patriots. But, instead, BB is treating this season differently in a number of ways.

Kenneth Sims said:

Just finished listening to Charlie Weis on SiriusXM. He thinks Dalton would be a real good signing for the Pats and has been saying it for months if Brady should leave.

I know he’s not an expert like many posters here nor one of those “this guy sucks” tough guys who also post here. He’s just a guy with 3 SB rings coaching the Patriots offense. The same offense they still run. He thinks Dalton would be real good in this offense and would really push Stidham to beat him out as the starter. But, what does he know?

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Thank you for this post & a moment of sanity in another crapthread.

And thank you for sticking around in this sea of suck experts.. I wish some interesting discussion would be possible on this board at least in offseason..