FanDuel: Pats -190 to sign Cam Newton (now +220)

So, let's say the Patriots bring in Cam Newton on a one-year deal to be the starter for 2020.

Then what? What happens in 2021?

Sign a different free agent QB because we still don't want to turn the team over to an unproven 4th round pick? Do we have to use our first round pick on another young QB before we find out if Stidham is any good? Because that seems like it might be kind of a waste.

I think you need long-term clarity at the position entering a tremendously important 2021 off-season. Find out if Stidham's your guy or not.

KontradictioN said:

I don’t doubt he’s in great shape, physically. My question is whether he’s mush, mentally. He’s taken a lot of head blows over his career.

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I think chronic injuries to his lower body are a major concern. Even if he's not the runner he was, he's a much better passer than anyone's ever wanted to give him credit for, but lower body injuries can sap some of that too. But, again, only question is whether he's better than Stidham.

My opinion on Cam is that he almost certainly gives you a better chance to win next year than Stidham, but rolling with Stidham is better if you're in a true rebuild. I think people have this unrealistic expectation that the Patriots can throw Stidham out there only having thrown four NFL passes with a bad offense and they'll still be competitive. Yes, Brady in 2001, but that was a once in a lifetime thing and a different era. Mahomes was a barely utilized second year quarterback and won the MVP, but he was a much more heralded prospect (and looked really good in game action his rookie year).

To me, the question is whether you think the defense is good enough to keep the Patriots in every game right now, like they did last year. If that's the case, a Super Bowl isn't totally unreasonable (certainly not any less likely than the Giants Super Bowls or the Patriots win in 2001 or 2018) even if it's unlikely, but I think you need a Cam to get there and Stidham's learning pains will prevent it. But if you don't think this team has that talent, maybe you give Stidham the chance to play it out and get better. It's a trade-off.

primetime said:

I mean, what do you want me to say? You were insisting he wasn't accurate and then explaining away with high completion percentage by saying all his throws were to McCaffrey, which wasn't true, he was in the middle of the pack in air yards per intended target that year. This is like the time you insisted Lamar Jackson should play wide receiver because he wasn't accurate, then he was MVP of the league two years later. We get it, you don't like black quarterbacks and you'll make up reasons to justify it, it's well-documented.

I know you think having the last word makes you right, there are literally tens of thousands of posts demonstrating that, but mostly it just makes you sad and pathetic.

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I explained why Newton’s extreme outlier in completion percentage happened, explained that completion percentage is not the determination of accuracy to anyone with eyes to be able to watch how accurate throws are and asked you to answer whether you think newton is an accurate passer.
You chose not to answer, of course, because that would entail admitting you were wrong or being a clown.
Instead you call me a racist.
You are a worthless person and I have no use for you.
I left this board because of self-important, narrow minded, knowledge challenged people like you who spew horrible opinions and then try to twist an argument away from the facts, like you have done here.
You have sunk to a new low of calling me a racist in order to coverup that you are wrong.
I’m not going to leave the board again, I’m just going to call you out for being a piece of crap who is here to do nothing but disrupt and defend uninformed beliefs even when you know they are wrong.
Done with you and your kind.

Ring 6 said:

I’m not going to leave the board again

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Sad!

Man I really wish Ian would tell us how much time we have to respond to someone before they get to declare victory in these high-stakes internet forum arguments.

Gator Mike said:

So, let's say the Patriots bring in Cam Newton on a one-year deal to be the starter for 2020.

Then what? What happens in 2021?

Sign a different free agent QB because we still don't want to turn the team over to an unproven 4th round pick? Do we have to use our first round pick on another young QB before we find out if Stidham is any good? Because that seems like it might be kind of a waste.

I think you need long-term clarity at the position entering a tremendously important 2021 off-season. Find out if Stidham's your guy or not.

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Assuming we play 16 I think you could find out if Cam fits and is good here. If so he's the guy in 2021. If not you'll probably know before all 16 are played and you can give Stid a shot. If Stid's good he gets 2021. If not your in the same boat re thinking QB for 2021.

signbabybrady said:

Assuming we play 16 I think you could find out if Cam fits and is good here. If so he's the guy in 2021. If not you'll probably know before all 16 are played and you can give Stid a shot. If Stid's good he gets 2021. If not your in the same boat re thinking QB for 2021.

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I don't know.

I think the ideal scenario is that you find out Stidham can play, and then you enter 2021 with $90 million in cap space and a starting QB with two years left on a rookie contract. Bring in Newton or any other veteran QB, and you decrease the chances of that scenario playing out.

The best thing that could happen to the Patriots is if Stidham plays well and is ready to make a leap in year 3. Because the single most valuable resource any NFL team can have is a really good QB on a cheap rookie contract. Stidham would, as @Gator Mike pointed out, two years left on a crazy inexpensive contract. The Pats could use that money to add lots of excellent talent.

I’d only want Cam Newton if he was willing to play the Taysom Hill role for this offense.

He’d be extremely deadly if he chose to go down that career path, although I don’t think his days in the NFL would last very long if he did so.

But hey, it sure would be fun to watch.

Bringing Newton here doesn’t do much for JS4’s development nor makes us SB contenders. Pass.

Gator Mike said:

I don't know.

I think the ideal scenario is that you find out Stidham can play, and then you enter 2021 with $90 million in cap space and a starting QB with two years left on a rookie contract. Bring in Newton or any other veteran QB, and you decrease the chances of that scenario playing out.

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With 2020 coming first I'd rather have a better option now and still have Stid developing. If it cost 10-20 mil we can survive just fine on 70+ next year.

For the record if Bill thinks Stid is good enough not to bring in a vet like Cam I'm fine with that. With the little info I have on Stid I'd feel much better with a Cam also in the mix. Very uneasy not knowing you have TB lol.

Gator Mike said:

I think you need long-term clarity at the position entering a tremendously important 2021 off-season. Find out if Stidham's your guy or not.

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and risk wasting 2 years, or do you think that next year it will be easy to find a QB, given that we would have ZERO choices but a failed Stidham and an over the hill Hoyer.

It seems that the large majority of posters are evenly spit. Almost half want us to bring in no one and expect Stidham to be ticket to getting a high draft pick in 2021. The other almost half believe that Belichick has anointed Stidham as the quarterback of the future, and that any serious backup is simply a distraction. I belong to neither group.

The Tank For Trevor folks are easy to understand. They understand that starting Stidham has a small chance of success, but they really are waiting for next year, when they can draft their quarterback, who will be the future starting in his rookie year. [understanding that this quarterback could cost lots; It may cost us more, in addition to our first, to trade up to 1st next year than it would have to trade up to 3rd this year].

I don't understand the position of the folks who think that Stidham Is The Anointed One. Surely, we need a better backup than Hoyer, even if we are giving up on 2020.
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Personally, as has always been the case with patriots, I want a Plan B for 2020. I want a competition, or at very least a backup to Stidham should he not be quite ready early. Having Hoyer as that option is simply giving up on 2000.

mgteich said:

and risk wasting 2 years, or do you think that next year it will be easy to find a QB, given that we would have ZERO choices but a failed Stidham and an over the hill Hoyer.

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Yes, I think that if Stidham doesn't work out, it will be easy to find a QB next year.

All those QBs that people want the Patriots to go out and sign right now? Guys like Winston and Newton and Dalton and Brissett? They're all going to be available next year.

And if Stidham doesn't work out, they'll also probably be in a position to draft one.

I don't understand the position of the folks who think that Stidham Is The Anointed One. Surely, we need a better backup than Hoyer, even if we are giving up on 2020.

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If the Patriots want to bring in someone to compete with Brian Hoyer, I'm OK with that. But with little-to-no offseason at this point, what backup QB is going to sign for a near minimum league salary, be content with sitting behind Jarrett Stidham, and will know or learn the system quickly enough to be effective should he have to play?

mgteich said:

and risk wasting 2 years, or do you think that next year it will be easy to find a QB, given that we would have ZERO choices but a failed Stidham and an over the hill Hoyer.

It seems that the large majority of posters are evenly spit. Almost half want us to bring in no one and expect Stidham to be ticket to getting a high draft pick in 2021. The other almost half believe that Belichick has anointed Stidham as the quarterback of the future, and that any serious backup is simply a distraction. I belong to neither group.

The Tank For Trevor folks are easy to understand. They understand that starting Stidham has a small chance of success, but they really are waiting for next year, when they can draft their quarterback, who will be the future starting in his rookie year. [understanding that this quarterback could cost lots; It may cost us more, in addition to our first, to trade up to 1st next year than it would have to trade up to 3rd this year].

I don't understand the position of the folks who think that Stidham Is The Anointed One. Surely, we need a better backup than Hoyer, even if we are giving up on 2020.
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Personally, as has always been the case with patriots, I want a Plan B for 2020. I want a competition, or at very least a backup to Stidham should he not be quite ready early. Having Hoyer as that option is simply giving up on 2000.

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The evidence is that Belichick thinks Stidham has a much higher ceiling than you think. He might be wrong, he might even be "duplicitous pond scum" a la Mannix and Cap'n Stone. But he also might be right. Belichick's evident belief in Stidham is what explains why some of us think he might be more than adequate.

Less than zero chance. If they're offering the Pats vs the Field put your entire life savings on the field.

Kasmir said:

The evidence is that Belichick thinks Stidham has a much higher ceiling than you think. .

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not really.

If Belichick doesn't bring in Dalton or Rosen or another, I would conclude that he believes that Stidham is a top 10 quarterback in the league.

Otherwise, it would have been worth a 3rd - 5th to bring in competition, or to sign a backup who might be more competitive than Hoyer.

mgteich said:

not really.

If Belichick doesn't bring in Dalton or Rosen or another, I would conclude that he believes that Stidham is a top 10 quarterback in the league.

Otherwise, it would have been worth a 3rd - 5th to bring in competition, or to sign a backup who might be more competitive than Hoyer.

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The evidence so far is that Belichick thinks Stidham has a much higher ceiling than you think. I agree with you that if BB brings in Dalton or (ugh) Rosen etc it means he doesn't trust Stidham at all.

mgteich said:

not really.

If Belichick doesn't bring in Dalton or Rosen or another, I would conclude that he believes that Stidham is a top 10 quarterback in the league.

Otherwise, it would have been worth a 3rd - 5th to bring in competition, or to sign a backup who might be more competitive than Hoyer.

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Dalton and Rosen aren’t close to top 10 QBs in the league. Stidham doesn’t have to be as good as
Mahomes
Rodgers
Brees
Roethlisberger
Jackson
Watson
Wentz
Prescott
Cousins
Ryan
Wilson
Or whoever else you would put in the top 10 (I listed 11) to be preferred to dalton or Rosen.
I could list quite a few more that are better than dalton or Rosen.

Ring 6 said:

Dalton and Rosen aren’t close to top 10 QBs in the league. Stidham doesn’t have to be as good as
Mahomes
Rodgers
Brees
Roethlisberger
Jackson
Watson
Wentz
Prescott
Cousins
Ryan
Wilson
Or whoever else you would put in the top 10 (I listed 11) to be preferred to dalton or Rosen.
I could list quite a few more that are better than dalton or Rosen.

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Call me crazy, but I'd put Tampa Bay's new QB in the top-10....