FanDuel: Pats -190 to sign Cam Newton (now +220)

Deus Irae said:

1. Where was it needed most?
2. How did his team get there?

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Clearly it was all the skill he was surrounded with, I mean look how good Kelvin Benjamin was after he left Cam behind.

primetime said:

Cam Newton completed 67.9% of his passes in 2018 for 24 TDs and 13 INTs, while adding 500 yards on the ground for 4 more TDs. Tom Brady never completed more than 67.4% of his passes in any year. He missed most of last season with an injury but he was actually very good in 2018, this pervasive narrative that he's washed up just doesn't jell with the facts.

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Are you suggesting Cam Newton is more accurate than Tom Brady? Surely not. Did you watch Carolina in 2018? Did you consider that the anomaly in his completion percentages isn’t because he suddenly gained accuracy but that 1/3 of his completions were dump offs screens to mccafferty that were completed
107/124? That even with those glorified runs added in they were an average pass offense?
Are you forgetting that he no longer runs? That he was injured at the end of 2018 and almost all of 2019?
You would be the first person I have ever seen that thinks cam newton is an accurate QB.
He has mostly struggled throughout his career to throw the ball effectively and save 1 season is a .500 QB and that was with a running ability that way too many hits and age an injury have taken away.
You are entitled to your opinion but I am shocked that opinion is that can newton is an accurate qb who doesnt have injury problems that affect him, isn’t able to run like he used to ( and publicly says he won’t) and is the same qb he was before all the injuries including one that cost him almost all of last season and caused his team to give up on him.

oh by the way brady completed 68.9% in 2007.

mgteich said:

Why do you think that you will convince folks with facts?

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Good facts are convincing. Bad facts are not.

Are you saying you consider cam
Newton an accurate nfl passer?

Dr Pain said:

I say no. saw him show no heart when it was needed most.

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Yeah well Peyton Manning looked defeated when playing the Seahawks defense #noheart

ctpatsfan77 said:

A week ago those same people were saying Belichick had to take a QB in the draft.

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What were the odds they put on it? We could have made some money!

primetime said:

People seem to miss that Belichick did not respond "We're happy with what we have" when he was asked why the Patriots didn't select a QB but instead said "We didn't plan it that way."

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That's also not the same thing as saying "we planned to take a QB, but didn't."

I know Bill can't see the future but I don't think Hoyer would be here if Newton was being signed. Maybe I'll be shown to be wrong tomorrow but having Hoyer seems pointless if we have Newton, Stidham and a young kid.

Ring 6 said:

Good facts are convincing. Bad facts are not.

Are you saying you consider cam
Newton an accurate nfl passer?

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Absolutes are useless. Is 64.5% accurate? I consider a serious upgrade over Stidham for 2020, and believe that Newton gives a better chance at the playoffs than Stidham. And if Stidham beats out Newton in camp, so much the better.

Hard pass. Sink or swim with Stidham.

BelichickFan said:

I know Bill can't see the future

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If we were to sign Newton it will probably happen after May 7th.

I believe May 7th is the cutoff for free agents to count against your comp picks.

If we signed Newton before that we would lose our Brady 3rd round comp pick next year.

With the odds being -190, somebody knows something.

cupofjoe1962 said:

If we were to sign Newton it will probably happen after May 7th.

I believe May 7th is the cutoff for free agents to count against your comp picks.

If we signed Newton before that we would lose our Brady 3rd round comp pick next year.

With the odds being -190, somebody knows something.

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I agree that any significant signing will be after the cutoff date.

mgteich said:

Absolutes are useless. Is 64.5% accurate? I consider a serious upgrade over Stidham for 2020, and believe that Newton gives a better chance at the playoffs than Stidham. And if Stidham beats out Newton in camp, so much the better.

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Accuracy doesn’t depend upon a number. It depends upon how accurately a QB throws the ball.
I do not believe he is an upgrade. I believe he has always been a poor passer who had some success because of his running ability. His injury history, age, wear and tear takes away the running ability and leaves you with a poor passer and evidently a whacko. No thanks.

How would Cam handle being a backup?

Yeah. That’s my point. It flies in the face of everything we’ve seen and heard about Stidham.

Only way I’d see it happening would be if BB thinks Stidham isn’t ready, or isn’t ever going to be ready, and signs Cam and cuts Hoyer to give JS another year to develop.

But I don’t think that’s likely, for a bunch of reasons.

Most importantly I think BB will want to see how Stidham handles an open QB competition in training camp and I don’t think signing Newton is a good recipe for that.

Newton won’t want to come here for that, and if he isn’t the starter he’d be a problem waiting to happen. Newton is going to want a multi year deal and he’s not going to want to sit as Stidham’s backup this year or next. So I’d see bringing Cam in as giving up on Stidham, which is contrary to everything we’ve seen so far, or inviting headaches, which isn’t something I expect from Belichick.

cupofjoe1962 said:

If we were to sign Newton it will probably happen after May 7th.

I believe May 7th is the cutoff for free agents to count against your comp picks.

If we signed Newton before that we would lose our Brady 3rd round comp pick next year.

With the odds being -190, somebody knows something.

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Cam was released and thus doesn’t count against the comp formula.

n6249c said:

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Most importantly I think BB will want to see how Stidham handles an open QB competition in training camp .

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OK, and who should we bring in to give Stidham that compensation, certainly not a UDFA quarterback?

Rosen?

Dalton?

The only question with Cam is what kind of contract he is amendable to. Because he sure as hell is not 15x more (i.e. 10M) valuable than Stidham (cap hit of 675k).

Would he consider coming in for a modest one year prove it deal for 4-5M ? Is Cam at 6-7M still value ? Is he fine earning it via incentives ?

What do we have to lose? Nothing.

I don't understand why folks here refuse to even consider it.

Newton was a NFL MVP, has a SB appearance. Until proven otherwise, Newton is a better QB than Stidham.

Sign Newton to a cheap, one year contract (he has no leverage, no other team wants him), have him compete against Stidham for the starting job.

If Stidham wins the starting job, GREAT. That means we got ourselves a franchise QB.

If Newton wins the starting job, so what? Stidham can sit behind Newton for another year of development, not a big deal. Garropolo didn't get his starting job until his fourth year in the NFL. Stidham can wait another year.

Best case scenario with Newton: Cam returns to MVP form, leads the Patriots to the Playoffs.

Worst case scenario with Newton: Cam gets injured/benched. Stidham can play with no pressure on him.

What do we have to lose?

Flash said:

What do we have to lose?

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Money and Capspace which is to be used to bolster other position to help Stidham to be successful.

You can't judge on Stidham if you don't know anything about his development and potential after one year in the system, Newton is a hard pass, if he were great as you say, the panthers wouldn't have let him leave...

The Patriots better use the litte cap they have for players that can actively help Stidham to lead this team to wins, instead for a back up QB (which they already have with Hoyer for a very low caphit who already also knows the Patriots system pretty well in contrast to Newton)

primetime said:

Fans remain irrationally exuberant about Stidham's chances to emerge as a quality starter on a fairly awful offense.

People seem to miss that Belichick did not respond "We're happy with what we have" when he was asked why the Patriots didn't select a QB but instead said "We didn't plan it that way."

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Nice work. You just blew up your own argument.

If BB wanted Newton then why was he planning to draft a QB?