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Brady's statistics peaked and have declined for the 3 seasons since, last years decline was rather precipitous.

Tom Brady Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Numbers don't lie. Brady arguable has worse receiver/te groupings in previous years. He wore down over the past few years later in the season. Everybody get old even Brady. BB saw it and tried to set him up with a run first team where he could become a game manager. The but OL injuries Gronk late retirement and Devlin's injury screwed that up. See the playoffs the last SB year. He didn't ask Brady to carry the team, they did ask himn to make big plays when needed, but not be the focal point of the game. We were lucky with the offside call in the KC game or else SB 6 doesn't happen.
This makes me laugh, although I know it will make me cry some time in November.
 
I'm making the assumption that this is where your obviously hurt feelings toward me are coming from. Either that, or I said something that offended your feminine, little sensibilities at one point. Normally, I would go with the latter however, since you bring this up again at the end of your post, it's pretty safe to say that it was over an exchange in the past that didn't go well for you. If that wasn't the case, you wouldn't perseverate on it. There would be no stimuli. That would have merely been a throwaway line to you. So I'm sorry that happened. I don't think this one is going any better for you, though.



See, this is you walking back the OP because you're aware that you walked into a buzz saw. There wasn't really much "light-hearted" about that. The words you're looking for to describe that post would be "passive aggressive." And, if that was a subtle diss, then you're even worse at subtlety than you are at comprehending what you're reading. Let's revisit it, shall we?



Perhaps story structure is not your thing, but you're putting spiteful next to loyal and passionate - two widely recognized positive attributes of human personality. This would seem to indicate that the addition of spiteful wasn't meant to be a "subtle jab" at all, but instead a way you see New England fans. I agree. However, it is literally impossible to be loyal to a guy while being spiteful toward him as well. Those two things cannot coexist. In the future, if you're going for subtlety, maybe add in something like "to their detriment" or "depending on the situation." I'd stay away from comedy, though. Keep whatever blue collar maintenance job you have.

But I agree that a lot of this fan base is spiteful. You see that with Brady and now Gronk. While we're on that subject, I also agree that those same fans don't possess a hint of loyalty toward either guy.



I didn't say anything about people not being true fans "because they're mad at Brady for leaving." See, that would be a straw man. I just made the blanket statement that Boston sports fans are fickle. Attendance and fan participation for our teams when they aren't competing will tell you that. I then made the point that you can't be loyal to a guy while being spiteful toward him at the same time. That's impossible. This is absolute trash reading comprehension. My post, for reference...





More fuel for the "verbally molested" fire with the bolded. Oh, and FYI, someone "misrepresenting your stance" is a straw man. I did nothing of the sort. Your post bears that out. You then mocking the poster while saying he was sick of Pats fans "rudely hating on players who have moved on" also bears that out.



Your comments after that state that you're rooting for Brady. Your defensive response to what was a blanket statement toward the part of the fan base that I consider spiteful and, therefore, fickle say otherwise. Your attempts to further walk that back after getting called on it are even more telling.

This is the strawman. Where in any of my posts did I indicate that I’m not supportive of Brady in his next chapter?

If you're supportive of him in his next chapter and are not the passionate, loyal, but spiteful fan that you claim Pats fans are, then why such a hostile reaction to a blanket statement about Pats fans being fickle? Why would you care so much, then, to get knee deep into this argument?



If you're spiteful, how are you rooting for him... exactly? Please spell that out for me. Because you included that description right next to "passionate" and "loyal." And please don't try to insult our intelligence by saying that was a subtle jab. That was a description of Boston sports fans as you see them, yourself included. Spiteful literally means "showing or caused by malice." So if you have malice toward a player that left, and think this is normal or average behavior for a fan base, how exactly can one root for the player? I'll save you an answer - they can't. They can only backtrack and say they can once they get caught with their pants down.



What?



Exactly. So you think that one can be petty and spiteful, but still be a fan specifically of a player who once played for your team. And you described a fan, specifically Boston sports fans, as being loyal, passionate, and somewhat spiteful. Now we return to my original point - if you're spiteful toward a player, you're not loyal to him. Spite is born out of malice while loyalty is born out of commitment (among others). Those two things literally cannot coexist. That you can't see this, and decided to turn my original response toward you (a blanket statement on a portion of the fan base), into an attack on your personally should be both telling and alarming to you.



You did. Your reading comprehension was horrific and you turned this into a personal matter. That is driven home by the fact that you've attacked me on a personal level several times up until this point where I haven't attacked you personally once. So yeah, that was definitely you. But hell, I have time today. I might as well end this post with a few insults back.



LMAO, who is weirder? The guy who made a blanket statement about the fan base being fickle and then pointed out that being loyal while being spiteful cannot coexist with one another, or the loser who is obviously butthurt about some sort of past interaction and decides to take it personally? I'd go with the loser who decides to take it personally. And, in absolutely comedic fashion, said loser is now getting verbally raped yet again. Let me guess, in another few months, I'll get another random and snarky passive aggressive reply that will then boil over?



I don't keep points in the least. Especially not for a mouth-breathing idiot like you. Having a good memory is merely of having a sharp mind. But I don't remember an encounter that would have your **** so salty. You're not memorable. Your posts don't resonate with me on any level. I told you that already. I was merely taking an educated guess on what your little **** was so salty. That you've decided to come back to that point again, at the end of your post (your conclusion) tells me all I need to know.



Or you could hang yourself with your size 42 belt in your closet. Either way, nobody cares.



You know what else is a heck of a goal? Thinking that 2006 - 2020 is a "few years." o_O If you think that's a few years, your parents should sue whoever your special education teacher was in whatever ghetto, rat-infested public school you were "taught" in, as I'm relatively certain you can't afford to sue anyone.



You're giving yourself too much credit. I don't keep track of ****posters who joined after they finally won another Super Bowl in 2015. You people don't stick around anyway when the going gets tough.



This is called projection. A typical response from someone who would angrily argue with someone they deem to be a "sad, little man." Your insults are about as trash as your reading comprehension. Go ice down your pus$y and take it easy.[/QUOTE]

Holy shhit - completely unhinged! Personal attacks after personal attacks. Very sad. Special ed comments? Suggesting suicide? Ghetto public schools? Talk about trash behavior. A normal person would feel embarrassed moments after hitting "post" on a reply like that but the EI isn't really there for you apparently.

Also, the comedy is not lost on me that the guy who clearly spends most of every day on an online forum is lashing out calling others "losers" with "blue collar maintenance jobs." 1. You implying that blue collar maintenance workers are somehow lower than you, makes you even more of a trash human being. 2. Not to ****measure on the internet, but I will just to slap you around a little bit more before disengaging, I work for the 2nd largest consulting firm in the entire world. Do yourself a favor and google what the salary is like for a Manager position at a firm like that and then reassess bc your intuition is once again failing you. Cheers, bud!
 
Jesus H Christ man, it's like you are 100% committed to constantly being wrong.
If you want to look at the current salary cap issues, you have a substantial chunk of dead money out there for 2020. Tom Brady and AB account for 18 million right there. And the Pats usually have the largest number of players on the team that make 1 million or more. The "middle class" player on the Patriots is alive and well.
We get it you hate Kraft and love Ab. We get it, you hate the coach and love TB. We get it, man.

So you agree they made poor decisions and are hence in cap-hell with a sub-par roster. That's what the guy said.
 
So, basically, the Bucs got Tom Brady, Rob Gronkowski, and a 7th round pick for their 4th round compensation pick.

From the other side, the best case scenario is that the Patriots traded away Tom Brady, Rob Gronkowski, and a 7th round pick for the Bucs 2020 4th round comp pick and a 2021 3rd round comp pick.

In BB we................. WTF....... FOR GOD FRICKIN SAKE!

Kraft should have traded BB instead.
 
While it is debatable (of course), I believe Brady's bitterness played more of a role this past season than any physical decline. I'm curious about whether he can redevelop a more positive attitude with teammates or if -- in his 40s -- Brady's moved into a different stage where he lacks the same degree of patience with others as in his 20s and 30s.



Again I have no problems with Brady deciding to live his FB and civilian life as he chooses. He is the GOAT for his career and for the bulk of his career he was the best QB at that point in time.

Given he was bitter over contract, pissed at BB whatever, It is better for the team if he is gone at this pooint same for Gronk.
I hope he fetches up a 3rd round pick in the 2021 draft. Same with VanNoy and Colling.

I am looking forward to the draft and upcoming season.
 
Irrelevent.

He would have been traded anyway as soon as BB told him he wasn't paying him $10m and Gronk told him to F off.
No, it would have been just like 2018. Gronk would have just stayed retired so he’d have no trade value.
 
Honestly I think this may end up being the best outcome for both sides. Pats with Brady and Gronk still have major personnel issues and it’s hard to see them winning it all, nor would that give them much of a pathway to getting better given salary cap situation. This way Brady (and Gronk) upgrade their near-term odds for winning while BB can begin the necessary rebuild without losing face.

I hope TB wins it all and TB12 has an amazing year to cap off his legacy, and I hope the Pats have a couple of amazing drafts to set this team up to contend for the next 5-10 years.

So you essentially acknowledge we have jettisoned and torpedoed the next few seasons.

BUT TO WHAT FRICKIN END?!?! Why not try to win another SB with Brady and Gronk. WTF ARE WE FRICKIN DOING
 
Given he was bitter over contract, pissed at BB whatever, It is better for the team if he is gone at this pooint same for Gronk.

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So you essentially acknowledge we have jettisoned and torpedoed the next few seasons.

BUT TO WHAT FRICKIN END?!?! Why not try to win another SB with Brady and Gronk. WTF ARE WE FRICKIN DOING

They didn’t want to play for Belichick any more. Next offseason we are going to have a ton of $ for BB to start rebuilding,
 
Given he was bitter over contract, pissed at BB whatever, It is better for the team if he is gone at this pooint same for Gronk.

Given Brady was bitter over contract, pissed at BB whatever, It is better for the team if BB is gone at this pooint. Same reason for Gronk (BB gone).
 
They didn’t want to play for Belichick any more. Next offseason we are going to have a ton of $ for BB to start rebuilding,

So why didn't Kraft kick BB out then and win some more SBs with Team A. Might have gotten a first for BB.
 
While it is debatable (of course), I believe Brady's bitterness played more of a role this past season than any physical decline. I'm curious about whether he can redevelop a more positive attitude with teammates or if -- in his 40s -- Brady's moved into a different stage where he lacks the same degree of patience with others as in his 20s and 30s.
no patience for no talent around him. Evans and Godwin are both beasts.
 
It’s clear that BB was prepared to move forward without Gronk when he negotiated a trade with the Lions a few years back, and I’ve always had the sense that he wanted to move on from Brady and keep Jimmy G. BB has always been one to try and stay ahead of the curve, and I believe he had a plan in place to do just that, but it didn’t come to fruition as he had planned for some reason that we don’t know. Did Kraft step in? We won’t know until that information surfaces at some later date.

Brady and Gronk did amazing, unprecedented things here, and the relationship has run its course, so it’s time for all parties to regroup and move forward.

The fact that Brady got to 3 SBs straight and won 2 as well as a NFL MVP AFTER we traded away JG tells you BB doesn't know as much as you think he does when he was ready to walk away from Brady. Kraft was right to tell BB to shut his trap then. Kraft failed us now.
 
So you essentially acknowledge we have jettisoned and torpedoed the next few seasons.

BUT TO WHAT FRICKIN END?!?! Why not try to win another SB with Brady and Gronk. WTF ARE WE FRICKIN DOING
The window with Brady and Gronk was closed in Belichick's mind. The first question Belichick had to ask himself this offseason was "Do a declining Brady and Gronk and an aging defense have a reasonable chance of beating Mahomes or Jackson in the postseason?" The answer must have been no.

Winning the Super Bowl is HARD. Being nostalgic for players like Brady and Gronk can help keep a team relevant for a few more years than a rebuild. But in terms of winning another championship it was time to move on.

Brady likely also saw that he had little chance of winning with such a limited cast. The move to Tampa was one where both sides gain rather than lose, at least when it comes to the possibility of winning a title. In terms of legacy, though, both Brady and Belichick lose a great deal of their aura and will probably look selfish/egotistical when neither finds the same degree of success. Unless, of course, Belichick finds his Kobe -- i.e. the Jordan replacement.

And if Gronk is a broken mess and further destroys his back, then he is just the village idiot who should have stuck to partying and topless miniature golf.
 
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The window with Brady and Gronk was closed in Belichick's mind. The first question Belichick had to ask himself this offseason was "Do a declining Brady and Gronk and an aging defense have a reasonable chance of beating Mahomes or Jackson in the postseason?" The answer must have been no.

Winning the Super Bowl is HARD. Being nostalgic for players like Brady and Gronk can help keep a team relevant for a few more years than a rebuild. But in terms of winning another championship it was time to move on.

Brady likely also saw that he had little chance of winning with such a limited cast. The move to Tampa was one where both sides gain rather than lose, at least when it comes to the possibility of winning a title. In terms of legacy, though, both Brady and Belichick lose to a great degree.

And if Gronk is a broken mess and further messes up his back, then he is just the village idiot who should have stuck to partying and topless miniature golf.

BB thought the window with Brady was closed 4 years ago when he was trying to keep JG.

WTF does BB know.
 
They didn’t want to play for Belichick any more. Next offseason we are going to have a ton of $ for BB to start rebuilding,

You are so full frickin bull$hit. If we had announced yesterday that Brady deal to TB was cancelled and he's back here AND Gronk is coming out of retirement you'd be jumping up and down like a giddy school girl instead of giving me all this crap about how we needed to do this to rebuild.
 
Brady's statistics peaked and have declined for the 3 seasons since, last years decline was rather precipitous.

Tom Brady Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Numbers don't lie. Brady arguable has worse receiver/te groupings in previous years. He wore down over the past few years later in the season. Everybody get old even Brady. BB saw it and tried to set him up with a run first team where he could become a game manager. The but OL injuries Gronk late retirement and Devlin's injury screwed that up. See the playoffs the last SB year. He didn't ask Brady to carry the team, they did ask himn to make big plays when needed, but not be the focal point of the game. We were lucky with the offside call in the KC game or else SB 6 doesn't happen.
Look at who was around him the past two! Why are the detractors always ignoring that part? Did you read my post? No disrespect intended here. But how could you read what I posted and then immediately follow up with stats only? Numbers don't lie? Numbers without context lie every time. I can't do this anymore.

Look, it's simple. Everyone can agree that Brady has the most talent in Tampa Bay than he's had in NE for a very long time, maybe ever outside of '07... in an offense that will be pass happy. Fair? So if the numbers stay the same or decline, then we'll revisit this conversation. Until then, let's agree to disagree. You have a narrative to which you're sticking. I have an opinion to which I'm sticking. That's it. Enjoy the draft, my friend.
 
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