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Please explain how Brady "has noticeably declined" without mentioning the lack of competent receiving options he had last season. I'll wait. :rolleyes:

Note, I'm not saying he hasn't declined somewhat. That's just realistic. But noticeably? I'm not so sure anyone can say that without taking into account what's happened at receiver the past two seasons.


When he was younger he ELEVATED the players around him, now he is incapable of doing that, especially when he no longer wanted to participate in the off season program beyond what was absolutely required. Now I don't fault him for that, he is beyond 40 and has a wife and kids, but whe you are going into a season with a whole new group of skill players (excepting the RB's) that isn't the receipe for success Brady had followed for the bulk of his career.
 
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I would like to see a QB in N.E. that is mobile liken to the Q.B. for the Ravens and chiefs. Those two show the future for the position and do with style and athleticism

Stidham is very mobile. I would guess he can probably throw a lot better than Jackson can.
Had the exact same 40 time as Mahomes, FWIW.
 
Stidham is very mobile. I would guess he can probably throw a lot better than Jackson can.
Had the exact same 40 time as Mahomes, FWIW.
Those are some big names you are comparing him to. Let's hope he can compete.
 
Let's be clear, Bellichek traded Ty law to the chiefs when Peyton Manning was a threat, the year he did that, I followed Ty law in Kansas and the day Manning played the chiefs, The law owned Manning, all day he shut down his side of the field. Proving he was the best corner to play. Bellichek lost that year and Laws replacement was terrible. The fact is, HAD Ty Law stayed, we would have had another Super Bowl victory. What we may be seeing now is Bellicheks ego, never forget how he could not make the Browns good. This is about him proving he is the Best Coach ever to be in the NFL. If he is lucky he will not face Gronk and Brady next season. Because revenge is a dish best served cold, fact is Bellichek has made atrocious trades, like Flowers. Brown just to name a few. He been lucky more than he has been good or right. This year will be the litmus test for his career as a coach. NFL means Not For Long, heard that from a famous Atlanta Hawks coach. Has Bills' time come to an end? This season it is all on the line.

Sounds like you’re mixing up “fact” with your opinion.

Also the Patriots never traded Law anywhere. I believe he was cut as a cap casualty, then signed with the Jets and then after that signed with the Chiefs.
 
As for Flowers he had yet to hit his peak, he was traded to the lions. What did we get in return? We lost a valuable asset for nothing. Unless you can enlighten me.

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All season long players lost by the Pats made headlines on their new teams, Brown in Chicago was hailed and again, King Bill looked weak in the decision to trade him, Fact.

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In what parallel universe do you even exist ?
 
I see the whole grade school reading comprehension thing is just absolutely kicking your ass. For reference, here is the beginning of our exchange starting with your post...



Here was my response, bolded and underlined for reference....



Anyone who can comprehend what they're reading, so this eliminates you, would know that "you're" is being used in the colloquial sense. It's a broad brush response to a broad brush post. That you automatically took that as me turning it "into some stance that I’m anti-Brady and not rooting for him in Tampa" tells me a lot, though. Very Freudian. There was no reason to take that personally and yet you did. Why do you think that is? Do you think that's because, deep down, you know you're fickle?

As for your obvious hurt feelings here? I'm guessing I verbally molested you in a thread at some point in the past. Though I have a very good memory, you'll have to excuse me if I don't remember when that was. You're not particularly memorable. Maybe work on that, if you can.



This should be comedy gold. Where was the straw man? Point it out. Use the quote function. Then copy and paste the definition of a straw man. After you do that, look at your previous assumption in which you accused me of saying that every Patriots fan was rooting against Brady.



Which is funny, because those comments were all over the OTA threads which makes this next point equally hilarious...



LMFAO. So those comments are unwarranted until he skips OTAs. Then they're warranted? Or no? You're struggling mightily here, chief.



Cool story. I root for the laundry. I'll root for the Patriots and I'll root for the Bucs. If the Bucs play the Pats in 2020, I'll root for the Pats. When they play each other in 2021, I'll root for the Pats. That doesn't mean that I'm going to turn around and badmouth the QB who took the team from a massive punchline to the best dynasty in NFL history the second he leaves, then hide behind that badmouthing by saying I'm "passionate" but "spiteful." Nah, you're a fickle fan if that's the case. Butthurt because our team likely takes a step back while his team is catapulted to contender status. Like a scorned woman whose long-time boyfriend just left her after she gained a few pounds. It's pathetic to watch.



Nice. That's what anyone who isn't a complete and utter moron should be doing if they call themselves a Patriots fan. You're making progress. Why you decided to pick a fight about this, I'm not sure.



No. I'm assuming that's because I verbally raped you on here at some point. Probably a safe assumption, too. As for not agreeing with the way Tom's departure unfolded? The people that are saying that are the same people saying they hope he loses every game over there, which would obviously damage is legacy. Perhaps you need to take a minute to rethink things and get on the right page? Or maybe you might want to have a word with those guys. Not sure. But you're massively confused so taking some time to think couldn't hurt either way.


What are you babbling about with raping and molesting through exchanges? I made a very light-hearted joke about somebody moving from NE due in part to the attitudes of the local sports fan. You responded to that joke and started ranting how fans aren’t loyal, completely ignoring the whole subtle diss I made at fans for being “spiteful.” Talk about reading comprehension. You then went on ranting about posters not being true fans because they’re mad at Brady for leaving, including misrepresenting my stance (yet again), while you try to flaunt some holier-than-thou “transcendent fandom” and then told me that “I’m not there yet” despite every one of my comments indicating that I’m rooting for Brady.

That's actually being oriented toward transcendence, as a fan. You're not there. That's understandable. But don't say you're loyal to a player who achieved a ton of success for this franchise while, in the very next sentence, say you're spiteful toward him. Those two things cannot coexist with one another.

This is the strawman. Where in any of my posts did I indicate that I’m not supportive of Brady in his next chapter? Where did in any of my posts did I talk about fans being loyal to a player? Don't backpedal and say that this wasn't directed at me, either. I literally spelled out my thoughts for you yet you continue to with this nonsense (maybe you could read what a strawman argument is, I’ll save you a google search: A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent). Not once did I say anything about not rooting for Brady. And then, for good measure, your sarcastic response to Drewski that Boston sports fans aren’t loyal because they’re trashing Brady as he spends his last two years elsewhere. Great argument. So much trashing by so many posters lmao

Come on, man. Boston sports fans are super loyal as they trash a 6-time Super Bowl-winning QB as he spends his last two years elsewhere in part because the coach wanted to move on. Everyone knows that.

Also, no, I don't feel the need to respond to every poster I disagree with. I'm not like you, mr internet warrior. Those that want Brady/Bucs to lose every game - I think that's petty and spiteful, but I'm not going to lecture them on how they're not a fan because of how they're dealing with the end of a dynasty.

Why you decided to pick a fight about this, I'm not sure.

Do I also need to give you a detailed explanation of how this is gaslighting? Who “picked a fight” in this? Hint, it’s the weirdo who turned a joke into some weird argument about the pulse of the fanbase. The one who’s obsessed with an online fan forum, and supposedly keeps tabs on points he accumulated for fights that he deemed he “raped/molested” other posters. Speaking of, I’ll try to work on being “more memorable.” Maybe I can fit some posting goals into my daily schedule so I can accumulate upwards of 56,000 over the next few years. That’s a heck of a goal. Meanwhile, I can keep track of how many internet arguments I deem that I win, with extra points for “raping.” Sad, little man things.
 
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In what parallel universe do you even exist ?

I’m sure there is some taxi driver in Chicago named Brown who was hailed again and again so technically he’s probably not wrong...
 
I agree with most of this. I dunno about the "we'll pay" part, and the "we are going to suck" part. Someday, they'll be books on this and we can read what really happened behind the scenes.

I have a real hard time faulting Bill and his steadfastness to his way of coaching. It has worked amazingly better than any of us could've hoped. 6 rings worth. In Bill's parlance, he is what he is. He treats them all the same, and they win because of it. His system works. With that said, I am not any happier about it than you are. Gronk clearly didn't want to be here, and the moment Tom leaves, he wants to play again. Screw 'em.

Like I said earlier, it's like a bad break up.
For all of those rings he had Brady though, and unless he's a miracle worker or is harboring some great talent that we don't know about yet, other than a talented secondary, there is literally nothing backing up the BB way for this year, and maybe beyond if the team doesn't do a good job drafting.

Edit/addition. - I just don't understand driving your (arguably) two best offensive players at their position that your team and perhaps the whole league has ever seen, out of town when they still have something left in the tank, just to stick to "your way." Your way (blunders and all) has been successful in large part because of these two guys, and is an unknown without them, particularly Brady, and particularly when you appear to have NO ONE even close to one of these guys on your roster (we already had a year without Gronk last year at TE - how did that work out?). Why be determined to "rebuild" a year or two early, upset many of your loyal fans, and let another team have all the glory and excitement for this NFL season? It's stupid, it's bad business and it's caught up to the Patriots.
 
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I am thankful for everything that Tom Brady has done to help me enjoy watching the Patriots.
I am excited to see the next chapter of this football team. I think it is interesting that they went 3-1 a few years ago when TB was suspended and it gives me hope that BB will keep the team competitive despite the GOAT QB moving on.
I'm ready!!! Now, if someone could just hurry up and figure out this Covid-19 problem...

Oh yeah, Good Luck to Gronk to in his TB uniform.
 
As for Flowers he had yet to hit his peak, he was traded to the lions. What did we get in return? We lost a valuable asset for nothing. Unless you can enlighten me. He also showed in Detroit why he is so dam good at his position. Watch the films. Every expert on the NFL including Rodney Harrison, agreed King Bill made huge mistakes. All season long players lost by the Pats made headlines on their new teams, Brown in Chicago was hailed and again, King Bill looked weak in the decision to trade him, Fact. Kraft is not trying to win games paying the cheapest to players. Good coaches say, You got pay to get the best, or watch other teams take you out.

I've figured it out. This is Dekimbe like thing, only for those intellectually and factually challenged. Your very good at it Gary.
 
This sucks and we are going to suck this year. We've lost too much, and it is going to burn me to see (if I can even watch) the friggin Tampa Bay Buccaneers waltz into the playoffs with what we should have playing here. Whomever said above that the Pats lost a Super Bowl to the Eagles with with Brady and Gronk inadvertently stated, in my mind, what was the beginning of the end. BB's inexcusable refusal to put Malcolm Butler in the game wasted Brady and Gronk's best Super Bowl performances ever. They were both pissed after that game, with Brady refusing to shake anybody's hand and Gronk ready to retire. They came back for one more, but after that they both wanted out. Why? Face it, they are tired of the way the Patriots "do business" and they are tired of playing for BB. He ****ed them around on money and treated them "just like any other player" one too many times. Now they have taken their talents south and we are all going to pay for it. Flame away.
By all accounts Brady wanted a multi-year deal last year, so he didn't want out.

I agree Brady was pissed after the Eagles' Super Bowl (as he should have been, the Butler benching was and is indefensible) but he got over it.
 

Irrelevent.

He would have been traded anyway as soon as BB told him he wasn't paying him $10m and Gronk told him to F off.
 
I think the foot and elbow injuries effected his performance more than he let on but still...

I think the elbow will be an issue going forward...it will only get worse. I guess he is lucky if some or all camp will be cancelled...so their will be less stress on the elbow. Then again he's not going to have that rapport with his WR's.
 
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We could sometimes take people what they say at face value...that Gronk was banged the hell up and wanted to be away from the game..that Brady and Belichick reached a point where fresh starts were a good idea...that Gronk really wants to play with Tom Brady. It's a different off-season no doubt, I'm just not sure why there has to be so much angst about it.

Truth be told, the coming season (if there is one) is more interesting to me now than if we were status quo for another year. I concede, btw, that I might be saying something very different if the Pats are 5-7 in few months while the Bucs are tearing up the league. But you know, for now, what the hell. Keeping our attention that's for sure.
 
For all of those rings he had Brady though, and unless he's a miracle worker or is harboring some great talent that we don't know about yet, other than a talented secondary, there is literally nothing backing up the BB way for this year, and maybe beyond if the team doesn't do a good job drafting.

Edit/addition. - I just don't understand driving your (arguably) two best offensive players at their position that your team and perhaps the whole league has ever seen, out of town when they still have something left in the tank, just to stick to "your way." Your way (blunders and all) has been successful in large part because of these two guys, and is an unknown without them, particularly Brady, and particularly when you appear to have NO ONE even close to one of these guys on your roster (we already had a year without Gronk last year at TE - how did that work out?). Why be determined to "rebuild" a year or two early, upset many of your loyal fans, and let another team have all the glory and excitement for this NFL season? It's stupid, it's bad business and it's caught up to the Patriots.

Tom wanted to leave, and none of us know whether it's because Bill drove him out of town. Gronk wanted to go where Tom was. That's all there is to it.
 
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