Gronk trade completed

gobesmug · Apr 22, 2020

sb1 said:
I think the Patriots can win at least 9 games and make the playoffs. The departure of Brady didn’t turn a SB contending team to a bubble team or worse. The BB Patriots were never built on one guy. I’m hearing talk like they are.

9 wins doesn't mean playoffs. The Cassell led Patriots that you keep bringing up went 11-5 and missed the playoffs.

Being 9-7 is a borderline playoff team depending on the division, and I see Buffalo as a 10+ win team this season.

BelizePats · Apr 22, 2020

sean10mm said:
What you're missing is the time factor.

Over the long term, staying with Belichick is absolutely the best play for championships.

The problem is, neither one of these guys HAS a long term.

Brady because of age, Gronk because of injury history.

Look at 2019. With or without Brady and Gronk, 2020 is likely worse. The rest of the offensive roster stinks on ice, they have no cap space for quick fixes, and the defense (that was BADLY exposed down the stretch, remember) has bled talent. Belichick's track record suggests a turnaround in 2021-22 once the cap space spikes and he's got 2 drafts to reload, but at that point Brady is 44-45.

He. Can't. Wait. If he's got another Super Bowl run in him, he needs to make it NOW. Belichick by contrast has to play the long game, partly because that's his nature but mostly because he has no choice - he has no 2020 cap space to do anything else.

From Brady's point of view, the choice was probably winning nothing in 2020 while being miserable throwing to mostly scrubs for low pay in New England, or maybe winning something in 2020 while being happy throwing to good players for high pay in Tampa.

This. Excellent analysis.

Tottie · Apr 22, 2020

sb1 said:
I think the Patriots can win at least 9 games and make the playoffs. The departure of Brady didn’t turn a SB contending team to a bubble team or worse. The BB Patriots were never built on one guy. I’m hearing talk like they are.

At LEAST 9 games? I mean...it's hard to read some of these things. Look, 2021, ya that's possible with the way the cap space will free up. Next year? I guess you can be hopeful of 9 games but if you actually believe that and it's not fan talk, I don't know what to say to that. Anything is possible though. You could sweep Miami and the Jets and get 4 right there but I still think it's highly unlikely.

Uptown · Apr 22, 2020

scout said:
Nothing has been said about Gronk passing his physical.

Report: Rob Gronkowski passes physical to complete trade - ProFootballTalk

Buccaneers' Rob Gronkowski: Move to Bucs official

Report: Rob Gronkowski passes physical to complete trade

Uptown · Apr 22, 2020

sb1 · Apr 22, 2020

gobesmug said:
9 wins doesn't mean playoffs. The Cassell led Patriots that you keep bringing up went 11-5 and missed the playoffs.

Being 9-7 is a borderline playoff team depending on the division, and I see Buffalo as a 10+ win team this season.

9 wins for sure doesn’t guarantee playoffs but I think it will be good enough with the new format.

I think a lot of people are overrating the Bills. Allen is a question mark and I think their run defense is a little suspect.

The only difference between our “brutal” schedule and the Bills is they play Pitt (with Ben back) and Titans and we play Houston and the Ravens. I think the Bills schedule might be tougher actually.

sb1 · Apr 22, 2020

Tottie said:
At LEAST 9 games? I mean...it's hard to read some of these things. Look, 2021, ya that's possible with the way the cap space will free up. Next year? I guess you can be hopeful of 9 games but if you actually believe that and it's not fan talk, I don't know what to say to that. Anything is possible though. You could sweep Miami and the Jets and get 4 right there but I still think it's highly unlikely.

I don’t see why the Patriots can’t go 4-2 in the division. This division is not THAT good. To get to 9 then you’re looking for 5 wins among Cardinals, Seahawks, Ravens, Texans, Raiders, Chargers, Chiefs, Niners, Broncos, Rams. I don’t think that’s impossible.

And again... it’s April. This is not the final roster.

So many people want to think this team will fall off a cliff without a 43 year old Brady. It’s kind of funny actually.

Tottie · Apr 22, 2020

sb1 said:
I don’t see why the Patriots can’t go 4-2 in the division. This division is not THAT good. To get to 9 then you’re looking for 5 wins among Cardinals, Seahawks, Ravens, Texans, Raiders, Chargers, Chiefs, Niners, Broncos, Rams. I don’t think that’s impossible.

And again... it’s April. This is not the final roster.

So many people want to think this team will fall off a cliff without a 43 year old Brady. It’s kind of funny actually.

It's not only Brady, it's alot of players over the last few years. I hope we are wrong and you are right. Would be pretty awesome to sneak into the playoffs as a true underdog with no expectations and try to go on a run. You could go 4-2 in the division and you could also go 2-4 just as easily.

lancerman · Apr 22, 2020

sb1 said:
Like I said before I look at the Patriots going 11-5 with Cassel and compare to the Colts without Manning. The difference between us and them is the coach. We have Bill they had Caldwell, a career .300 college coach.

All I’m saying is we still have Bill. I give him the benefit of the doubt that his team will get by without Brady until he proves otherwise.

And this is dumb as crap.

The Colts without Manning lost 8 games on the prior season. The Pats lost 5. You are talking a whopping 3 game net difference.

That can all be accounted for by having Belichick, Moss, Welker a significantly deeper offensive line, the Colts having a zero at QB while we had a serviceable back up, etc

sean10mm · Apr 22, 2020

sb1 said:
I don’t see why the Patriots can’t go 4-2 in the division. This division is not THAT good. To get to 9 then you’re looking for 5 wins among Cardinals, Seahawks, Ravens, Texans, Raiders, Chargers, Chiefs, Niners, Broncos, Rams. I don’t think that’s impossible.

And again... it’s April. This is not the final roster.

So many people want to think this team will fall off a cliff without a 43 year old Brady. It’s kind of funny actually.

Losing Brady, and having a bad offensive roster, and losing defensive talent in the off-season, and having no cap space for quick fixes.

A lot of things are hitting at once to make 2020 look very sketchy.

amfootball · Apr 22, 2020

sb1 said:
I don’t see why the Patriots can’t go 4-2 in the division. This division is not THAT good. To get to 9 then you’re looking for 5 wins among Cardinals, Seahawks, Ravens, Texans, Raiders, Chargers, Chiefs, Niners, Broncos, Rams. I don’t think that’s impossible.

And again... it’s April. This is not the final roster.

So many people want to think this team will fall off a cliff without a 43 year old Brady. It’s kind of funny actually.

I think it is hard to imagine that volume of wins until we know what we have at QB. Its not just that we lost Brady, the GOAT, its that we have no idea what we will have at QB if it is Stidham. Of course if it is Hoyer then 2-4 is more probable for the division and an overall record of 6-10.

sb1 · Apr 22, 2020

Tottie said:
It's not only Brady, it's alot of players over the last few years. I hope we are wrong and you are right. Would be pretty awesome to sneak into the playoffs as a true underdog with no expectations and try to go on a run. You could go 4-2 in the division and you could also go 2-4 just as easily.

On the defensive side, I think the Ravens and Titans demonstrated that they were not nearly as good as we wanted to think they were. Now some of those players are gone but that doesn’t mean we’ll have JAGs to fill in the holes. It’s only April. We still have as good a secondary as anyone. Stop the run and we’ll be fine. Defense and run game go a long way to protecting a young green QB like Stidham if he is the guy.

I actually thought the Cassel year was a lot of fun to watch with no expectations. People forget they were 4-0 in December, blasted the Dolphins, trucked the soon to be NFC Champ Cardinals and looking like they were starting to peak at the right time. That was awesome cause nobody expected that. Maybe this season will go the same way.

Hammer of Thor · Apr 22, 2020

UptownPatsFan said:
FWIW...lol

There’s a “distinct possibility” that anybody ends up in NE.

If La Canforna is reporting it, then that officially closes the book on any Howard to the Patriots talk. When it comes to the Patriots he’s as inaccurate as Volin without the trolling.

sb1 · Apr 22, 2020

sean10mm said:
Losing Brady, and having a bad offensive roster, and losing defensive talent in the off-season, and having no cap space for quick fixes.

A lot of things are hitting at once to make 2020 look very sketchy.

It’s a bad offensive roster for a Brady type of offense but I think there is talent and will be more coming. I think we’ll be running the ball a lot more. They weren’t healthy last year but they are now. The league had no answer for the run game at the end of 2018 and that got us the title. I think we’ll see a lot more of that.

PatsBoy12 · Apr 22, 2020

ViperGTS said:
Gronk slowed down his last season, has been out and this comeback will be awkward at best.

I'm rooting for Gronk, but I wonder what it'll look like and fear any chance that it looks bad. It could only be one of two things: either the year off helped and he'll be effective (I don't expect All-Pro) or the year away was too long for a guy who didn't look too good his last full season in the league. I'm obviously hoping for the former.

BTW, how often have relatively similar situations worked and the player actually made an impact? I'm wondering... was Lynch any good a few years ago?

SVN · Apr 22, 2020

sean10mm said:
Brady and Gronk are basically going to Florida to retire. They think they can still play, sure, but they're not completely delusional, they know they're near the end.

They want to coast out playing on a good offensive roster with a less uptight coach who's openly glad to have them on the team, instead of playing head games with them and pinching pennies. $50 million guaranteed doesn't hurt either.

None of that means they regret spending their primes in the best organization in modern sports. It's apples and oranges. Why would a 43 year old with 6 rings want to throw to a bunch of ding-dongs with the dropsies and what's left of Julian Edelman's knee joints just so he can get ragged on Monday morning like he's a rookie FNG while getting paid half the market rate?

Agree .But the whole narrrative that is being spun around after the gronk trade is that they didnt want to play for BB and the patriots culture.

Tottie · Apr 22, 2020

PatsBoy12 said:
I'm rooting for Gronk, but I wonder what it'll look like and fear any chance that it looks bad. It could only be one of two things: either the year off helped and he'll be effective (I don't expect All-Pro) or the year away was too long for a guy who didn't look too good his last full season in the league. I'm obviously hoping for the former.

BTW, how often have relatively similar situations worked and the player actually made an impact? I'm wondering... was Lynch any good a few years ago?

Can't compare Lynch to Gronk IMO. Gronk is a 1st ballot HOF and lynch is massively overrated. If you expect fantasy numbers, that's one thing.. he will draw double teams on 3rd downs and should make some big play when it matters. On paper anyway. It's a damn shame we couldn't find a way to bring Brady back and somehow Gronk as well. The double team alone opens things up enough with the guys NE has to be 12-4 again.

Ras-IR Dowling · Apr 22, 2020

sb1 said:
It’s a bad offensive roster for a Brady type of offense but I think there is talent and will be more coming. I think we’ll be running the ball a lot more. They weren’t healthy last year but they are now. The league had no answer for the run game at the end of 2018 and that got us the title. I think we’ll see a lot more of that.

We need to hit a home run in this area. We haven’t replaced the run blocking losses of Trent Brown, Gronk and Allen.

Deus Irae · Apr 22, 2020

Coolade said:
Right. But can I disagree ..

You can, but it just makes you not worth talking to on the subject.

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