OT: When you go out, are you wearing a mask?

Ross12 · Mar 29, 2020

QuantumMechanic said:
I will generally agree with you with respect to the CONTENTS of mail and packages.

However, how much are you willing to risk that the delivery person or letter carrier or whatever didn’t unknowingly put a bunch of virus on the exterior of your stuff while delivering it?

As for foodstuffs, just like with doorknobs, etc. many people are potentially handling those apples, or jar of whatever, or box of whatever. That’s just how people shop.

No conspiratorial thoughts needed.

This is a question I am interested in. Potentially many people of unknown cleanliness have handled your mail's exterior, the food items at your local grocer, etc before they get to you. I am unclear on this thing's ability to live on surfaces, and also the shelf-life that it lives on those surfaces. For instance, maybe my mail was handled by a bunch of rando's but since 6 AM every day it's only been handled by my mailman, and then it sits in my box for a while til I grab it around 4:30. Feel like it's unlikely that even if my mailman coughed directly on my mail that morning, that it would still be sitting and waiting to infect me on my envelope 10+ hours later. But these are all guesses by me and I'd love to be informed if I am wrong, genuinely don't know.

QuantumMechanic · Mar 29, 2020

Well, we have research that at *room temp* they can “detect” the stuff on cardboard for a day and plastic/stainless for 3 days, and in copper for 4 hours.

However, just because it is detectable doesn’t mean what’s there can infect you. So the “worry about” time is probably less than that.

On the flip side, at less than room temp it stays detectable longer, which means the “worry about” is also longer at less than room temp.

QuantumMechanic · Mar 29, 2020

And it can likely “live” on all services since it’s not really alive. It just sits there until something (which can be the properties of the surface) disrupts the lipid membrane that holds it together.

FirstAndGoal · Mar 29, 2020

I just told my wife we need to start wearing a mask if going to the grocery store.

Patjew · Mar 29, 2020

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
Interesting...so you left the forum for awhile...traveled to Asia....and now look where we are. How were the bat monkeys?

They seemed like a good idea at the time

Star56 · Mar 29, 2020

I have never used hand sanitizer in my 63 years and nothing has changed in the last few weeks.

A mask? Are you joking?

NormZauchin · Mar 29, 2020

Ross12 said:
This is a question I am interested in. Potentially many people of unknown cleanliness have handled your mail's exterior, the food items at your local grocer, etc before they get to you. I am unclear on this thing's ability to live on surfaces, and also the shelf-life that it lives on those surfaces. For instance, maybe my mail was handled by a bunch of rando's but since 6 AM every day it's only been handled by my mailman, and then it sits in my box for a while til I grab it around 4:30. Feel like it's unlikely that even if my mailman coughed directly on my mail that morning, that it would still be sitting and waiting to infect me on my envelope 10+ hours later. But these are all guesses by me and I'd love to be informed if I am wrong, genuinely don't know.

Please read an article in The Washington Post, by Joseph G. Allen, a professor at Harvard's School of Public Health. He addresses concerns about grocery shopping, receipt of mail, etc.
Bottom line, some risk, but very small if you follow simple procedures of washing hands, not touching your face, etc.

n6249c · Mar 29, 2020

Ian said:
Just out of curiosity. I haven't to this point, but my wife and I were talking tonight and I think the concern level has reached a point where we're considering it when going to the grocery store but I'm curious to hear if others have reached that point yet.

No. Because a mask stops you sharing your germs. It doesn’t stop you from catching germs from other people. So as long and I’m healthy there’s no point to wearing a mask. And if/when I’m not healthy I’m not going out.

mgteich · Mar 29, 2020

n6249c said:
No. Because a mask stops you sharing your germs. It doesn’t stop you from catching germs from other people. So as long and I’m healthy there’s no point to wearing a mask. And if/when I’m not healthy I’m not going out.

Without a test, or 100% isolation for 2 weeks, there is no way to know that you are healthy.

QuantumMechanic · Mar 29, 2020

Problem is with this that you don’t know (at first) that you’re not healthy. So you feel fine and then you happen to sneeze or cough (not necessarily because of coronavirus — just one of those random sneezes or coughs we all have) and congratulations — you probably contaminated a surface and/or may have infected someone. If you were wearing a mask, a rather lower chance of doing so.

Really, when people are out in public, especially in an enclosed area, they should behave as if they are infected.

mgteich · Mar 29, 2020

QuantumMechanic said:
Problem is with this that you don’t know (at first) that you’re not healthy. So you feel fine and then you happen to sneeze or cough (not necessarily because of coronavirus — just one of those random sneezes or coughs we all have) and congratulations — you probably contaminated a surface and/or may have infected someone. If you were wearing a mask, a rather lower chance of doing so.

Really, when people are out in public, especially in an enclosed area, they should behave as if they are infected.

yes, those who wear masks are protecting others, not themselves. That is why almost any kind of mask will do.

PatriotsReign · Mar 29, 2020

IcyPatriot said:
I hold my breathe when walking past people. Girl at doctor told me today a mask will not help someone who is not sick ... touching an infected spot and transferring that to your body is the problem.

Everything I’ve read says a mask won’t help anyone from contracting the virus. So that’s sounds right

PatriotsReign · Mar 29, 2020

QuantumMechanic said:
Problem is with this that you don’t know (at first) that you’re not healthy. So you feel fine and then you happen to sneeze or cough (not necessarily because of coronavirus — just one of those random sneezes or coughs we all have) and congratulations — you probably contaminated a surface and/or may have infected someone. If you were wearing a mask, a rather lower chance of doing so.

Really, when people are out in public, especially in an enclosed area, they should behave as if they are infected.

That bothers me, but it’s true.

mgteich · Mar 29, 2020

PatriotsReign said:
Everything I’ve read says a mask won’t help anyone from contracting the virus. So that’s sounds right

PERSON 1
wear a mask, and cough

PERSON 2
don't wear a mask and cough into the air
=========
Are your really saying that there is no difference in danger to folks being within a foot of this person when he coughs? Really?

ViperGTS · Mar 30, 2020

I don’t wear anything. Of I get it, I get it. I sometimes suspect I already did but who the bleep knows. Those that have, those that will. Thats about all there is to it, and the whole social distancing stuff is just to try and keep the healthcare system from being overwhelmed. Make no mistake, near everyone at some point will get it.

supafly · Mar 30, 2020

Star56 said:
I have never used hand sanitizer in my 63 years and nothing has changed in the last few weeks.

A mask? Are you joking?

I think a LOT has changed in the past few weeks, but it sounds like you may not have adapted to those changes.

Joker · Mar 30, 2020

so...we're all supposed to join Antifa now?

interdasting...

FirstAndGoal · Mar 30, 2020

I agree that wearing a plain surgical mask doesn't do much to filter anything you are breathing but a properly fitted N100 mask will do and that's what I'm talking about. First, they don't want you to go out and buy them so they're not going to recommend them. Second, if they didn't work, drs and nurses wouldn't wear them. Again, not some piece of cloth but a properly fitted N95/99/100 mask.

primetime · Mar 30, 2020

Joker said:
so...we're all supposed to join Antifa now?

interdasting...

Nah you can only do that if you're a drug dealer and/or adjunct professor, it's a very exclusive club

PP2 · Mar 30, 2020

Star56 said:
I have never used hand sanitizer in my 63 years and nothing has changed in the last few weeks.

A mask? Are you joking?

Your post infuriates me.

There is no perfect way to prevent transmission, but every little thing we do, does help. The more each one of us does, even if just washing hands, wiping down surfaces, wearing a mask (which does decrease the chances of transmission), using hand sanitizer, maintaining as much social distance as possible, self-quarantining, the more we collectively contribute to slowing down this pandemic and wiping it out.

It all adds up.

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