Coronavirus RESPECTFUL Discussion Only! (Mod edit: Closed)

h0c2000 said:

https://www.ghsindex.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/2019-Global-Health-Security-Index.pdf

Here's the Johns Hopkins study President Trump referenced in his coronavirus news conference

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Teej said:

New Yorkers who flee to Florida during the coronavirus outbreak will have to self quarantine for two weeks when they arrive — or risk facing criminal charges, the Sunshine State’s governor said Monday.

Does anyone think tone deaf Tommy Brady will do that after visiting his cosmetic dentist the past Friday in NYC before flying to Tampa FL?

“At this time, it is recommended that dental offices provide only emergency dental care for patients,” said a special alert issued by the board of the New York State Dental Association on Monday evening. “Elective and non-emergency services should be postponed for a minimum of three weeks.”

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moosekill said:

Really, you are trying to blame the president for any of this? You people are simply delusional.
Now is not the time for blaming people. However if you really want to blame people why dont we bring up how for years the republicans have pushed closing our borders so that we could control who comes in, which the democrats have fought tooth and nail, hate to lose a few more votes, and as soon as this hits it is the president's fault for not closing the borders quick enough. When he stopped flights from China the Democrats blasted him for being racist. When he fought to move production of goods back to the US he was called racist and people screamed because their 60" tv cost $100 more. Of course now that China is shut down we can't get the medical supplies and medicines because China is using them for themselves first. When the president said be calm, in all probability if you get this you won't die, he was blasted, of course, once again, it was true.

This is an awful disease that attacks the sick and elderly the hardest. There is not a vaccine yet and there probably won't be for a while. It looks like the best thing we can do is minimize the initial spread to give the time for the hospitals to prepare and hopefully keep the infections as low as possible, while we get the supplies and start to build up immunities.

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Nunchucks said:

If the leader of the country says we have 15 cases and in a few days we will have none. How do you think many people will treat the virus? Like it ain't a big deal.

43% of Americans dont treat trump like the lying conman he is

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Tony2046 said:

But would have otherwise survived if the hospitals weren't overwhelmed. That's not flu like.

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Nunchucks said:

There are lots of quotes of him not taking this seriously. You think that attitude doesn't flow down to americans?

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skinnydog said:

Our hospitals in the US are not overwhelmed . . . yet at least

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TommyBrady12 said:

That's it? His initial comments were based on not knowing much about this virus and the fact the WHO did not declare it a public health emergency until January 30. He's taking it seriously now and Americans should follow suit.

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Adam Seward said:

Thanks for the link. I won’t go deep into it yet. Just a quick parse.
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40yrpatsfan said:

The problem is that he continues to screw up on a daily basis. Even if you give him a pass for January, which we shouldn't but let's say we did, what about all of February and the first half of March? That's 6 weeks where he downplayed this in public and didn't take sufficient action with testing and almost every other aspect of this. He contradicts the scientists every day virtually, including yesterday when he basically said it's all over in a week. This is life or death stuff, and he's lost the trust of the people. At these press conferences, everyone wishes he would do the introductions, stand in a corner, and not cause any more damage. He's a disaster. That's not a political statement, it's purely based on his recent performance.

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PatsWSB47 said:

oh, you believed him then. Look, I get it but at some point and I think we reached it a while ago, a lot of people, Trump, lovers, Trump haters and completely neutral ones are being their own and everyone's worst enemies. They dont wash their hands, they cough in their hands, they party, and they havent changed a thing.

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skinnydog said:

Just not factually true. He said he will re-evaluate in a week and listen to scientists but make his own decision. Fauci was interviewed and plainly stated Trump asks questions all the time of him about everything and not once when Fauci has said because of the science we need to X has Trump refused. And despite what your stating the vast majority thing the response has been good.

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skinnydog said:

Here's the quote:

Dr. Fauci on working w/President Trump: "He asks a lot of questions. That's his nature. He's constantly asking questions. And I never, in the multiple times I've done that, where I said, 'For scientific reasons we really should do this,' that he hasn't said, 'Let's do it.'"

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betterthanthealternative said:

Some good news:

*Intelligent conversations are being had about what the lifting of full social distancing should look like, to include the protection of vulnerable populations while having the less vulnerable return to work, albeit with hygiene standards. When we do that is a different conversation, but how we do it seems to at least be getting some reasonable dialogue.

*The hospital mask problem is getting solved, and 100's of thousands of them will start hitting our shores this week. There will still be a distribution problem, for a while, but at least it is getting solved, through many channels.

*The forgivable small business loans (most nonprofits are also eligible) will make a massive difference in unemployment and all of its knock offs (like evictions). Hopefully Congress gets that done today. If an employer of less than 500 doesn't lay anyone off before the end of June, the payroll portion of the loan can be forgiven. I've talked to the leadership of several nonprofits over the past few days that are holding off on staff reductions in case this bill can solve that for them. This is millions of employees in scope. That'll also mean that when they reopen for business, the people are ready to go, which will make a huge difference in national productivity as we emerge from the recession.

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moosekill said:

Really, you are trying to blame the president for any of this? You people are simply delusional.
Now is not the time for blaming people. However if you really want to blame people why dont we bring up how for years the republicans have pushed closing our borders so that we could control who comes in, which the democrats have fought tooth and nail, hate to lose a few more votes, and as soon as this hits it is the president's fault for not closing the borders quick enough. When he stopped flights from China the Democrats blasted him for being racist. When he fought to move production of goods back to the US he was called racist and people screamed because their 60" tv cost $100 more. Of course now that China is shut down we can't get the medical supplies and medicines because China is using them for themselves first. When the president said be calm, in all probability if you get this you won't die, he was blasted, of course, once again, it was true.

This is an awful disease that attacks the sick and elderly the hardest. There is not a vaccine yet and there probably won't be for a while. It looks like the best thing we can do is minimize the initial spread to give the time for the hospitals to prepare and hopefully keep the infections as low as possible, while we get the supplies and start to build up immunities.

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Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” — Trump in a CNBC interview.

Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five — and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for us … that I can assure you.” — Trump in a speech in Michigan.

Feb. 10: “Now, the virus that we’re talking about having to do — you know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April. We’re in great shape though. We have 12 cases — 11 cases, and many of them are in good shape now.” — Trump at the White House. (See our item “Will the New Coronavirus ‘Go Away’ in April?“)

Feb. 14: “There’s a theory that, in April, when it gets warm — historically, that has been able to kill the virus. So we don’t know yet; we’re not sure yet. But that’s around the corner.” — Trump in speaking to National Border Patrol Council members.

Feb. 23: “We have it very much under control in this country.” — Trump in speaking to reporters.

Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” — Trump in a tweet.

Feb. 26: “So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.” — Trump at a White House briefing.

Feb. 26: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” — Trump at a press conference.

Feb. 26: “I think every aspect of our society should be prepared. I don’t think it’s going to come to that, especially with the fact that we’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” — Trump at a press conference, when asked if “U.S. schools should be preparing for a coronavirus spreading.”

Feb. 27: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” — Trump at a White House meeting with African American leaders.

Feb. 29: “And I’ve gotten to know these professionals. They’re incredible. And everything is under control. I mean, they’re very, very cool. They’ve done it, and they’ve done it well. Everything is really under control.” — Trump in a speech at the CPAC conference outside Washington, D.C.

March 4: “[W]e have a very small number of people in this country [infected]. We have a big country. The biggest impact we had was when we took the 40-plus people [from a cruise ship]. … We brought them back. We immediately quarantined them. But you add that to the numbers. But if you don’t add that to the numbers, we’re talking about very small numbers in the United States.” — Trump at a White House meeting with airline CEOs.

March 4: “Well, I think the 3.4% is really a false number.” — Trump in an interview on Fox News, referring to the percentage of diagnosed COVID-19 patients worldwide who had died, as reported by the World Health Organization. (See our item “Trump and the Coronavirus Death Rate.”)

March 7: “No, I’m not concerned at all. No, we’ve done a great job with it.” — Trump, when asked by reporters if he was concerned about the arrival of the coronavirus in the Washington, D.C., area.

March 9: “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!” — Trump in a tweet.

March 10: “And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.” — Trump after meeting with Republican senators.

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40yrpatsfan said:

To me it's not about lifting social distancing as much as everyone practicing it without a shelter-in-place approach. First, if you have symptoms, stay home. Stores can be open, but p

eople need to wear gloves when they go in. ​

Why can't a construction crew work on a new house, it should be pretty straightforward for them to keep their distance from each other, and disallow anyone who has symptoms. Offices and other busy workplaces can re-configure to provide more spacing, or go to 2 shifts to accomplish it, etc. Even restaurants could maybe open if tables were spread out, though that's trickier. Bars - no, cause the whole premise is face to face conversing. If every business and every person would practice social distancing, society could resume.

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TommyBrady12 said:

The problem now is how much to blame Trump for these deaths and how much to blame the people who aren't listening to the quarantine orders if there are major spikes? Is it his fault that there are people going to the beaches in Florida, or is that the governor's responsibility to shut the beaches down? There's plenty of blame to go around. You seem to want to point the finger 100% to the President, which is more partisan than anything.

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“You look at automobile accidents,” Trump said, “which are far greater than any numbers we’re talking about. That doesn't mean we're going to tell everybody no more driving of cars.”

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