Should we trade Gilmore

upstater1 · Mar 22, 2020

sb1 said:
Nah the Colts were just terrible with a subpar head coach.

The Colts that year were winless and the starting deep into the season and the starting QB was Curtis Painter. They locked down the #1 pick after week 15.

They then replaced Curtis Painter with Dan Orlovsky. Orlovsky then lead the team to 2 wins and they finished 2-14.

Curtis Painter never made another NFL roster. Not even as a backup. Orlovsky went on to be a backup in the NFL for another decade.

What would their record have been if Orlovsky had been the starter instead of Painter? 4-12? 5-11?

upstater1 · Mar 22, 2020

Give Kraft A Hand said:
How did that work out for them? They got him but definitely wasn't worth tanking the entire season for.

Andrew Luck had injuries, but he was a talented QB. The team was very bad at drafting.

Philip Dorsett was a #1 pick!!!!

PP2 · Mar 22, 2020

iapatsfan said:
You absolutely trade Gilmore. By the time this team is competitive again, he will be well past his prime. Our rebuild happens quicker with maximum draft capital. He turns 30 this year. Trade him while he still has value. I'd also trade Thuney and Edelman asap. Edelman because he's on the downside of his career, and Thuney because he's not worth what he's going to get paid.

Pats are stuck in cap hell this coming season, but the season after that, they'll have around 100m freed up.

Gilmore isn't going to age overnight.

primetime · Mar 22, 2020

Give Kraft A Hand said:
How did that work out for them? They got him but definitely wasn't worth tanking the entire season for.

Luck absolutely was worth tanking for. He led the Colts, basically by himself because the rest of the team sucked, to several playoff runs. He was a borderline top-5 QB every year he played.

Think lots of folks around here have no idea how hard it is to find an elite QB.

Froob · Mar 22, 2020

FCB02062 said:
Were you not around when Indianapolis blatantly tanked and was on the verge of throwing games to get Luck?

They didn’t, they were just terrible. They signed Kerry Collins and tried to win.

primetime · Mar 22, 2020

PatsBoy12 said:
That's a potentially really good secondary, but I don't know if I believe it's top 5 without Gilmore on it.

Jackson, Jones, and McCourty are great players but there's no evidence they're capable of locking down the best receivers in the game on a weekly basis. In 16 games, Gilmore lost one matchup, to Devante Parker, and even that game wouldn't have been particularly noteworthy for most good corners, it just felt like a huge outlier for Gilmore because of how good he is.

primetime · Mar 22, 2020

Froob said:
They didn’t, they were just terrible. They signed Kerry Collins and tried to win.

Yeah, they really didn't have any notable players on the team other than Mathis, Bethea, and Garcon. Clark was an injury-riddled shell of himself and played all his games during the Curtis Painter experiment. They did let that experiment go on suspiciously long, though.

The team didn't get substantially better after that, either. Luck really polished a turd.

iapatsfan · Mar 22, 2020

PP2 said:
Pats are stuck in cap hell this coming season, but the season after that, they'll have around 100m freed up.

Gilmore isn't going to age overnight.

No, but he's going age before we're able to rebuild this team. Trade him while he has value.

Froob · Mar 22, 2020

primetime said:
Yeah, they really didn't have any notable players on the team other than Mathis, Bethea, and Garcon. Clark was an injury-riddled shell of himself and played all his games during the Curtis Painter experiment. They did let that experiment go on suspiciously long, though.

The team didn't get substantially better after that, either. Luck really polished a turd.

It’s crazy the Colts were content with Painter possibly filling in for Peyton for a game or two if he only got a little dinged up. Painter wasn’t even a CFL quality starter.

Doctor DDS · Mar 22, 2020

What evidence is there that blowing a team up is an effective turnaround strategy. Browns had great picks for years and never turned it around. Redskins, Jets and many, many others have tried rebuilding with tons of free agent signings when they had massive cap space along with high picks and still struggled. The Ravens last year were allegedly going to struggle when they lost talented players on defense and were going with an unproven QB. Ended up having their best regular season ever. Do not see any reason why a 12 win team would want to break it all down when they have yet to draft and may see major improvement from some already on team. BB will continue to focus on cap management and may move some older players whose value has diminished but I'd rather see a 9-7 season and maintaining a winning culture than going 4-12 to move up 15 spots in the draft.

PP2 · Mar 22, 2020

iapatsfan said:
No, but he's going age before we're able to rebuild this team. Trade him while he has value.

He's 29.

iapatsfan · Mar 22, 2020

PP2 said:
He's 29.

Turns 30 this year. We're multiple years from fielding a competitive team, and if we don't find a qb, multiple years could be a long time. Trade him now while he has value.

luuked · Mar 22, 2020

Doctor DDS said:
What evidence is there that blowing a team up is an effective turnaround strategy. Browns had great picks for years and never turned it around. Redskins, Jets and many, many others have tried rebuilding with tons of free agent signings when they had massive cap space along with high picks and still struggled. The Ravens last year were allegedly going to struggle when they lost talented players on defense and were going with an unproven QB. Ended up having their best regular season ever. Do not see any reason why a 12 win team would want to break it all down when they have yet to draft and may see major improvement from some already on team. BB will continue to focus on cap management and may move some older players whose value has diminished but I'd rather see a 9-7 season and maintaining a winning culture than going 4-12 to move up 15 spots in the draft.

People just should go and check the first 2-3 QBs taken for the last 10 years and check out how good of an idea it is to tank for a "surefire" QB prospect.

Are there good prospects coming out each year ? Yeah for most part.
Are they the first taken ? lol

Give Kraft A Hand · Mar 22, 2020

primetime said:
Luck absolutely was worth tanking for. He led the Colts, basically by himself because the rest of the team sucked, to several playoff runs. He was a borderline top-5 QB every year he played.

Think lots of folks around here have no idea how hard it is to find an elite QB.

How? He was there for a few years then retired early and now they're in a slightly better position than they were in after Manning left. No QB of the future and washed up Philip Rivers under center. Never said Luck sucked but definitely not worth tanking for any player given the crap shoot nature of the NFL Draft.

jimnance · Mar 22, 2020

ChrisR2223 said:
As the post suggests?
Load up with youth and cap.

Chris, you're KILLIN' me man!
Ok, first you start a " should we trade Edelman" thread. Yeah, our only decent wr. Let's give Stid zero help. But at least his age gave that idea a sliver of merit.
But then you gotta go " should we trade Thuney" on us. Dude, he is a building block for the future, not a trade chip.
He's young, the 2nd best player on the team after Gilly and ol is arguably the 2nd most important unit on either side after QB. SMH
Now you suggest trading the best player on the team? One who we could NEVER
get equal value for in a trade?
The most important position on defense now?
Why do you hate the rest of us Patriots fans?

iapatsfan · Mar 22, 2020

upstater1 said:
Andrew Luck had injuries, but he was a talented QB. The team was very bad at drafting.

Philip Dorsett was a #1 pick!!!!

So were Harry and Michel.

iapatsfan · Mar 22, 2020

luuked said:
People just should go and check the first 2-3 QBs taken for the last 10 years and check out how good of an idea it is to tank for a "surefire" QB prospect.

Are there good prospects coming out each year ? Yeah for most part.
Are they the first taken ? lol

Keep taking them until one hits, and then build from there. Without one, you're dead in the water.

iapatsfan · Mar 22, 2020

jimnance said:
Chris, you're KILLIN' me man!
Ok, first you start a " should we trade Edelman" thread. Yeah, our only decent wr. Let's give Stid zero help. But at least his age gave that idea a sliver of merit.
But then you gotta go " should we trade Thuney" on us. Dude, he is a building block for the future, not a trade chip.
He's young, the 2nd best player on the team after Gilly and ol is arguably the 2nd most important unit on either side after QB. SMH
Now you suggest trading the best player on the team? One who we could NEVER
get equal value for in a trade?
The most important position on defense now?
Why do you hate the rest of us Patriots fans?

It depends on what Thuney's contract demands are. Depending on how much he wants to be paid, there is definitely a point where it would be better to trade him.

Zarozzor · Mar 22, 2020

I would dangle him for a first next year. Especially to a team that you think will be picking high. Then you can package your picks next year if needed to get Lawrence (please) or Fields

iapatsfan · Mar 22, 2020

Doctor DDS said:
What evidence is there that blowing a team up is an effective turnaround strategy. Browns had great picks for years and never turned it around. Redskins, Jets and many, many others have tried rebuilding with tons of free agent signings when they had massive cap space along with high picks and still struggled. The Ravens last year were allegedly going to struggle when they lost talented players on defense and were going with an unproven QB. Ended up having their best regular season ever. Do not see any reason why a 12 win team would want to break it all down when they have yet to draft and may see major improvement from some already on team. BB will continue to focus on cap management and may move some older players whose value has diminished but I'd rather see a 9-7 season and maintaining a winning culture than going 4-12 to move up 15 spots in the draft.

9-7 isn't a culture, it's mediocrity.

Should we trade Gilmore

Hall of Fame Poster

Hall of Fame Poster

Hall of Fame Poster

Pro Bowl Player

Independent Investigator & pliable af

Pro Bowl Player

Pro Bowl Player

In the Starting Line-Up

Independent Investigator & pliable af

Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

Hall of Fame Poster

In the Starting Line-Up

Hall of Fame Poster

Third String But Playing on Special Teams

PatsFans.com Supporter

In the Starting Line-Up

In the Starting Line-Up

In the Starting Line-Up

In the Starting Line-Up

In the Starting Line-Up

Similar threads