Coronavirus RESPECTFUL Discussion Only! (Mod edit: Closed)

bormio said:

The US has 5 times the population. Our numbers will be larger. And our death rate is much lower.

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Italy's death rate was much lower a few weeks ago as well. Their numbers are spiking massively right now because the number of severe cases has surpassed the number of available hospital beds equipped with ventilators. So their doctors are forced to leave the elderly with less chance of survival to their own fate. Let's hope the social distancing measures in other countries, including the US, start working soon in bending the curve that is growing exponentially right now. Otherwise it will be only a matter of time once the same happens elsewhere.

TommyBrady12 said:

We'll worry about our own country thanks.

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"Propaganda must always address itself to the broad masses of the people. (...) All propaganda must be presented in a popular form and must fix its intellectual level so as not to be above the heads of the least intellectual of those to whom it is directed. (...) The art of propaganda consists precisely in being able to awaken the imagination of the public through an appeal to their feelings, in finding the appropriate psychological form that will arrest the attention and appeal to the hearts of the national masses."

Reference: Mein Kampf

PF_SU said:

Italy's death rate was much lower a few weeks ago as well. Their numbers are spiking massively right now because the number of severe cases has surpassed the number of available hospital beds equipped with ventilators. So their doctors are forced to leave the elderly with less chance of survival to their own fate. Let's hope the social distancing measures in other countries, including the US, start working soon in bending the curve that is growing exponentially right now. Otherwise it will be only a matter of time once the same happens elsewhere.

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Italy has a lousy health care system and a much, much older population. The average age of the people dying in italy is still between 79 and 81. 50% of the men thee smoke and something like 70% of the deaths there are old men.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

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If you want to read that article from medium.com then please also read this one. This one provides some much needed perspective.

skinnydog said:

Italy has a lousy health care system.

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It is clear you do not know nothing about Lombardia sanitary system..

One of the BEST in Europe

TommyBrady12 said:

We'll worry about our own country thanks.

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Here's a story about Nationalists:

Federal law enforcement document reveals white supremacists discussed using coronavirus as a bioweapon

patsfan13 said:

Dor was a member of The Young Turks, supporter of Sanders.

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just the worst

italian pat patriot said:

It is clear you do not know nothing about Lombardia sanitary system..

One of the BEST in Europe

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don't mean to offend Italia n pat patriot, we're not talking about sanitary systems, we're talking about health care. In terms of pandemic preparedness, maybe lousy is too strong of a word, but in terms of preparedness, no one is truly prepared, but Italy does not compare to the US.
The Global Health Security Index

skinnydog said:

Italy has a lousy health care system and a much, much older population. The average age of the people dying in italy is still between 79 and 81. 50% of the men thee smoke and something like 70% of the deaths there are old men.

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The part about older population is true but their healthcare system was nowhere near close to lousy. It has been ranked quite higher than the US for all of the 2000s.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

@TommyBrady12 ’s PM to me:

I'm putting you on ignore. You are nothing but low class trash. Not sure where you grew up or what your background is, but you are trash. Please do not respond to me or click on any emoji on any one of my posts. I never liked you because it's clear you are not a fan of the Patriots but only Tom Brady.

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Where's the lie, am I right????

skinnydog said:

don't mean to offend Italia n pat patriot, we're not talking about sanitary systems, we're talking about health care.

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No problem i was not offended at all but if we are talking about Lombardia the system was one of the best overall in Europe

Spain just for example has less intensive care beds capacity then Italy

Take care good luck to all of us everywhere

italian pat patriot said:

No problem i was not offended at all but if we are talking about Lombardia the system was one of the best overall in Europe

Spain just for example has less intensive care beds capacity then Italy

Take care good luck to all of us everywhere

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You as well, what is happening in Italy is heartbreaking.

TommyBrady12 said:

We'll worry about our own country thanks.

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Holy **** he went from misinformed with bias to full on you can’t fix this level of stupid

I think it is probably best if we just pump the brakes on the slinging...take any advice as, "thanks for the advice" and move on.

For me, it is about action. People are on edge and it may be a new concept for some thinking "yeah thanks but you ain't telling me what to do".

It is about action and following what health professionals.

It is about action.

Action...what each of us will do during a pandemic should be interpreted as mattering. It is a Pandemic.

It matters what you do....to all of us.

Just do your part and support one another...its more than just a bu11shit hippie slogan...

re: the chart

"I've played in the mud before. It's no big deal."


The interesting part of that graph is that we are now one day beyond that chart and we are zeroing in on 25,000 people... project that number onto that graph and people should be shocked.

italian pat patriot said:

Good luck to you in Uk my friend

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I'm in the U.S., caro amico, so will take my chances here.

I'm full of admiration for the way you Italians are responding to the crisis, but, man! has it hit you full in the mouth!

Go Pats!

Adam Seward said:

Holy **** he went from misinformed with bias to full on you can’t fix this level of stupid

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Yeah that was more than a little...

patsfan13 said:

Dor was a member of The Young Turks, supporter of Sanders.

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I know TYT from a sometimes cable tv show and I think a podcast - is that what you're talking about it?

Are you using "...member" of The Young Turks as parallel to saying that Steve Doucey (sp?) is a "member" of Fox and Friends?

Or is there another TYT I don't know about? I know during Ataturk's time c. 100 years ago, TYTs were actually a political entity.

Are you saying there is such an entity again by that name today? Or just that he is a contributor to a podcast/cable show?

fightingirish595 said:

just the worst

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Same question.

italian pat patriot said:

No problem i was not offended at all but if we are talking about Lombardia the system was one of the best overall in Europe

Spain just for example has less intensive care beds capacity then Italy

Take care good luck to all of us everywhere

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Be careful Pat, & much love to you and yours.

I noticed someone posted the superimposed charts of Italy's responses or lack thereof, and our own. We look like Italy minus 2-3 weeks, basically. But one point was surprising to me: Italy closed their schools and locked down on a national level. Look at the nationwide school closures & lockdown. For Italy, 3/4 and 3/18. Well, you can explain away why we're too stupid to do a nationwide lockdown 2 weeks "ahead" even if we know it's the way to go.

But we still don't have nationwide school closures. They've had that since 3/4.

It's like we're TRYING to beat Italy for worst eventual outbreak.

PatsFanInVa said:

It would have been a promising sign some weeks ago.

Unfortunately, Fauci now saying it's not just "meh, can't really contain anyway," we're getting toward where everybody who takes a test is taking a mask and a gown away from an active case's care. Meanwhile, POTUS is ranting about the wasteful habit of throwing away a used mask.

They're not supposed to be re-used.

Fauci backs him up with CDC info on "if you're forced to re-use a mask, here's how..." POTUS goes on a rant at how wasteful we are with masks. (no wonder we cant keep any on hand...)

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Friend's daughter is an OB-GYN resident who was told to use the same mask all day today!!!!!!

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

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Our population is nearly 5 times as large as Italy's so pro rate it from there.... not a good thought...