REPORT: Tampa is Brady's Likely Landing Spot

amfootball · Mar 18, 2020

Sfpat said:
I'm not convinced the Pats have "a bunch of stiffs." Last year Edelman was injured, Sanu had double digit catches in the one game he was healthy prior to his high ankle sprain (i.e. looked really good). There were two rookie receivers who show substantial promise. The "lack of weapons" was not for lack of trying, it was just the Pat's year to suffer injuries, etc (plus Brown, Gordon, OL et.al.)

So let's say Evans suffers a high ankle sprain, Godwin pulls a hamstring, etc. Will Tommy be complaining that he doesn't have weapons? Injuries happen all the time in the NFL and it was only two seasons ago where Evans missed substantial time with (I believe) a pulled hamstring. Tommy is an injury or two away from playing with "a bunch of stiffs, " only now with Ariens, a crappy OL and a totally different team culture. Be careful what you wish for.

I think the issue for Tom is the system not just the personnel. I think he wants out of the Pats system which is clearly too difficult for young receivers to learn. I would imagine he is stoked about Arians offensive genius and what he will come up with to be dynamic and more in tune with today's modern game. I mean aside from the turnovers, Winston had an unbelievable year last year. Tom must be salivating.

Sfpat · Mar 18, 2020

amfootball said:
I think the issue for Tom is the system not just the personnel. I think he wants out of the Pats system which is clearly too difficult for young receivers to learn. I would imagine he is stoked about Arians offensive genius and what he will come up with to be dynamic and more in tune with today's modern game. I mean aside from the turnovers, Winston had an unbelievable year last year. Tom must be salivating.

Interesting take, since supposedly the reason Tommy left is because the Pat's didn't get Hopkins or Diggs (no mention of offensive system).

And Arian's system leads to a lot of interceptions

How have quarterbacks fared in their first year with Bruce Arians? - ProFootballTalk

varjao · Mar 18, 2020

Is it official?

upstater1 · Mar 18, 2020

Sfpat said:
Tommy is an injury or two away from playing with "a bunch of stiffs, " only now with Ariens, a crappy OL and a totally different team culture. Be careful what you wish for.

There are crappy OLs, and then there are OLs with guys who were formerly eating cheetos on their couch protecting the QBs blind side.

There's a difference.

Brady can make passable guards and tackles look great with his lightning fast release.

No QB in human history can make Marshall Newhouse look good.

amfootball · Mar 18, 2020

Sfpat said:
Interesting take, since supposedly the reason Tommy left is because the Pat's didn't get Hopkins or Diggs (no mention of offensive system).

And Arian's system leads to a lot of interceptions

How have quarterbacks fared in their first year with Bruce Arians? - ProFootballTalk

If you get players like that then the system naturally changes. I very much doubt that Arians is going to dictate to Brady the offense and not let Brady bend it to his comfort level. That being said, I think Tom has been waiting over a decade to have the weapons that he will now have at his disposal with an offensive HC who will focus his time on making sure the offense is humming.

upstater1 · Mar 18, 2020

Tampa will draft an LT or CB because they are in WIN NOW mode.

& of course they are not the best team in the NFC, BUT they have Tom Brady.

Good luck against Tom Brady in the playoffs, because even on a team that's not the best, you better be prepared to grind it out until the last second.

mgteich · Mar 18, 2020

NYCPATS4LIFE said:
No money but i never understood why they franchised thuney. Also there where ways of freeing cap space. The point is bill in my mind wanted to go with a younger QB. Always felt that way.

The Thuney tag could have been pulled with the $14M used to pay Brady

SUMMARY - this is a 2 year $60M with $40M guarantee. The $16M is basically a replacement of Thuney. I don't think that the team wanted to do this.

POSSIBLE CONTRACT
Bonus - $36M

2020 salary - $4M
2020 cap - $16M

2021 salary - $20M
2021 cap - $32M

2022 salary - $50M (fake)

This is the contract we have been discussing for months (2/$60M, $40 guaranteed). It took the new CBA to make it possible (getting rid off the 30% rule)

amfootball · Mar 18, 2020

upstater1 said:
Tampa will draft an LT or CB because they are in WIN NOW mode.

& of course they are not the best team in the NFC, BUT they have Tom Brady.

Good luck against Tom Brady in the playoffs, because even on a team that's not the best, you better be prepared to grind it out until the last second.

They also have $60 mil to spend to improve.

upstater1 · Mar 18, 2020

amfootball said:
If you get players like that then the system naturally changes. I very much doubt that Arians is going to dictate to Brady the offense and not let Brady bend it to his comfort level. That being said, I think Tom has been waiting over a decade to have the weapons that he will now have at his disposal with an offensive HC who will focus his time on making sure the offense is humming.

Indeed, and why would anyone decide that he doesn't want Brady throwing screens, or to running backs? Why would anyone NOT take advantage of Brady's talent there? The Bucs are going to incorporate more screens, passes to the backs, play-action. If they sign Antonio Brown, they aren't going to have 3 stellar WRs, and two TEs who have good size and athleticism. This will be a very difficult offense to prepare for.

My only concern for Brady next year would be the tendonitis in his elbow.

Zarozzor · Mar 18, 2020

amfootball said:
They also have $60 mil to spend to improve.

That was before Brady. But they still have like 28-30 million which is a great position. Just need a RB, OT, and CB. The OT can be taken with pick 14

TheRainMaker · Mar 18, 2020

The NFC is so f***ed!

mgteich · Mar 18, 2020

TBR said:
That's a huge risk not worth taking. Tampa is better off drafting a couple RBs for cheap in rounds 2 and 3 or 4.

TB has its plans for their offense and NE has its plan. You present a NE type plan. TB needed improvement at QB and RB. They are NOT going to depend on draftees.

SHOWTIME15 · Mar 18, 2020

Sfpat said:
Interesting take, since supposedly the reason Tommy left is because the Pat's didn't get Hopkins or Diggs (no mention of offensive system).

And Arian's system leads to a lot of interceptions

How have quarterbacks fared in their first year with Bruce Arians? - ProFootballTalk

The more and more I think about this, the more I don't like the fit with Arians. Arians is a risk taker of a playcaller, and Brady is not that type of QB. Sure, we've seen him take chances but I don't think it's the level that an Arians offense requires. Arians is going to have to change things up to fit the offense around Tom.

mgteich · Mar 18, 2020

Bleedthrough said:
That was before Brady. But they still have like 28-30 million which is a great position. Just need a RB, OT, and CB. The OT can be taken with pick 14

TB could have a $30M contract that his the 2020 cap at $16M. This is simply a $36M bonus with a $4M salary. Fill in Year 2 and Year 3 as you will.

mgteich · Mar 18, 2020

WHPats said:
TB12 is the GOAT. But am I in the very small minority that thinks him walking out is uncool? He didn’t need the $ and it’s not like Ray Bourque where he wanted to leave to win a championship. Should’ve retired after beating the Rams in SB 53.

So, you are saying that Brady should have quit the NFL after SB 53 because you didn't want him to play any more. Perhaps the patriots should have trade him after SB 53 (with his approval).

Drunken Cicerone · Mar 18, 2020

Brady went to Tampa because it’s the only team that wanted him.

he was fine last season, but that’s all. Didn’t excel and yeah his weapons weren’t great. But people expect more from him because of his legacy rather than e player he is now.

upstater1 · Mar 18, 2020

Drunken Cicerone said:
Brady went to Tampa because it’s the only team that wanted him.

he was fine last season, but that’s all. Didn’t excel and yeah his weapons weren’t great. But people expect more from him because of his legacy rather than e player he is now.

Maybe the Chargers were lying to everyone yesterday then.

3 teams offered him a contract.

amfootball · Mar 18, 2020

Drunken Cicerone said:
Brady went to Tampa because it’s the only team that wanted him.

he was fine last season, but that’s all. Didn’t excel and yeah his weapons weren’t great. But people expect more from him because of his legacy rather than e player he is now.

Not true. Other teams were interested - Colts, Giants, etc. Brady told them he was not interested.

ViperGTS · Mar 18, 2020

Drunken Cicerone said:
Brady went to Tampa because it’s the only team that wanted him.

he was fine last season, but that’s all. Didn’t excel and yeah his weapons weren’t great. But people expect more from him because of his legacy rather than e player he is now.

Ding Ding. Winner Winner.

Biffins · Mar 18, 2020

robertweathers said:
Where are you getting the NEP offered $23m? How much of that was guaranteed? Incentives?

...and based on their current cap situation, yea they do need the $7m.

No they didn't. I'd rather they have not signed Thuney or DMac or release/restructured someone else than release Brady to save $7m.

BTW it makes even less sense for 2020. Brady's cap hit is $13m and we'll likely sign a backup or competition for Stidham who will cost $5-6m. We'll end up at $18-19m cap hit for this QB slot. Instead they could have taken Tom on a multi-year deal with voidable years and spared us the cap hit.

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