Coronavirus RESPECTFUL Discussion Only! (Mod edit: Closed)

PP2 said:

Patently false.

This administration had plenty of warnings that a pandemic was only a matter of time. They ignored every one of those warnings.

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Funny if Donald Trump called COVID-19 the Flu everyone would be saying what an idiot he was.

robertweathers said:

I proposed a stoppage to the political bashing and complaining. That clearly is your only value-add to the board.mYou are now on record as saying you have more skin in the game pertaining to this virus than I and I spend my life here. Way to insult every member of this board without having a clue who is on here and our respective lots in life. You are truly society's gift to us all.

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What I find curious is your surprisingly low tolerance for being challenged and shown the mirror. Did you somehow convince yourself into believing 56k posts placed you above that? What you have demonstrated via derogatory labeling and name-calling is a paper-thin skin and little else. Earnest reflection apparently ain’t your thing. At any rate I'm blowing this hotdog stand for more important pursuits than arguing nonsense with an imperious career shut-in.

TommyBrady12 said:

i don’t think any denomination is right. there are aspects of catholicism that are right, and there are aspects of evangelical christianity that are right. today’s churches are very different from the 1st century church, which had it correct.

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Are you a theologian?

venecol said:

Are you a theologian?

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No, but I don't take what churches shove down my throat as gospel...

TommyBrady12 said:

there’s a difference between influenza and coronavirus...

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To me, the overlap is that it is any administration's role is to build and maintain systems that anticipate and respond well to the situations that the country will face. That's actually a much bigger part of the job of President than all the personal, high profile public activity. It takes thoughtful, deep, long term attention and thinking. Much of the important work of the federal government takes decades of sustained activity.

It wouldn't matter what the disease is in this exercise. Influenza is just the example. The participants in that exercise are expected to generalize the learning and then integrate that into how they do their jobs.

This is also why one of the priorities for every incoming administration is to get to know the capabilities and leverage points of the federal workforce, and to appoint people in the top jobs (the political appointees that change every 4 years or more) who are proven managers (rather than just friends and donors).

When this is done well, it is one of America's strengths. When it is done poorly, it becomes a massive weakness.

Tunescribe said:

What I find curious is your surprisingly low tolerance for being challenged and shown the mirror. Did you somehow convince yourself into believing 56k posts placed you above that? What you have demonstrated via derogatory labeling and name-calling is a paper-thin skin and little else. Earnest reflection apparently ain’t your thing. At any rate I'm blowing this hotdog stand for more important pursuits than arguing nonsense with an imperious career shut-in.

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36k posts.

festy1986 said:

So I'm confused. This thing ends in july if we let it run its course but if we flatten its peak through isolation we have less deaths?

So are we even sure that that many people would die if we didnt flatten the curve compare to not? Is this really as simple as ventilator assistance?

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Pretty much. The issue seems to be not enough ICU beds and trained staff. Dying patients need a trip to the ICU before they make a recovery.

betterthanthealternative said:

To me, the overlap is that it is any administration's role is to build and maintain systems that anticipate and respond well to the situations that the country will face. That's actually a much bigger part of the job of President than all the personal, high profile public activity. It takes thoughtful, deep, long term attention and thinking. Much of the important work of the federal government takes decades of sustained activity.

It wouldn't matter what the disease is in this exercise. Influenza is just the example. The participants in that exercise are expected to generalize the learning and then integrate that into how they do their jobs.

This is also why one of the priorities for every incoming administration is to get to know the capabilities and leverage points of the federal workforce, and to appoint people in the top jobs (the political appointees that change every 4 years or more) who are proven managers (rather than just friends and donors).

When this is done well, it is one of America's strengths. When it is done poorly, it becomes a massive weakness.

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Yup, and its very hard to do for someone that doesn't even believe in government and proceeds to gut it and make it ineffective. So much turnover, so many vacancies. The entire approach is just lazy.

Wow...take away sportsball and this place just devolves into another Orange Man Bad NPC forum. Because there isn't hundreds upon thousands of them on the internet.

LuRkeR1978 said:

Wow...take away sportsball and this place just devolves into another Orange Man Bad NPC forum. Because there isn't hundreds upon thousands of them on the internet.

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You mean people are discussing the President's response to coronavirus on a thread about coronavirus?

PP2 said:

Patently false.

This administration had plenty of warnings that a pandemic was only a matter of time. They ignored every one of those warnings.

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Funny The previous administration did nothing after the swine flu other than warn the Trump administration about an unknown possible pandemic?

Why didn't THEY start to prepare from 2010 to 2016?

JackBauer said:

You mean people are discussing the President's response to coronavirus on a thread about coronavirus?

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This is off-topic...it should be in the Pub. Every other OT thread does. Why is this one special?

LuRkeR1978 said:

This is off-topic...it should be in the Pub. Every other OT thread does. Why is this one special?

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Because it's the dominant topic of the next several months, at minimum, and affects every aspect of each one of our lives (not to mention football, as well).

There's always the ignore function.

patsfan13 said:

Funny The previous administration did nothing after the swine flu other than warn the Trump administration about an unknown possible pandemic?

Why didn't THEY start to prepare from 2010 to 2016?

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They did and then Trump dismantled it

JackBauer said:

Because it's the dominant topic of the next several months, at minimum, and affects every aspect of each one of our lives (not to mention football, as well).

There's always the ignore function.

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And nearly every sporting event is canceled because of it

venecol said:

Yup, and its very hard to do for someone that doesn't even believe in government and proceeds to gut it and make it ineffective. So much turnover, so many vacancies. The entire approach is just lazy.

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Yes, this administration has done a uniquely destructive job of it. But, it has been open season on the federal government for decades now. It took a decidedly negative turn in the 90's. All that focused anger turned into bigotry which then became normalized. This administration is just the icing on that cake, and is taking advantage of the opportunity.

But like most things political in this country, this isn't about left or right, party; it is about money driving the electoral system. Get the money out of elections, and the whole system cleans up.

Nunchucks said:

They did and then Trump dismantled it

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Really Trump destroyed respirators, Do tell haters.
I remember previous administration officials and member of the opposition party and media calling Trump a racist for limiting travel to and from China during January, I remember media and previous administration officials denouncing Trumps Corona Virus task force for not being 'diverse' enough when it was formed in Jan.

I don't recall anybody talking about this Flu epidemic in Jan, of yeah they were busy with impeachment, no time to help with this outbreak.

venecol said:

Ends in July or peaks in July?

You would have less deaths because the peak would fall under the capacity of the system that can handle the IC cases instead of overwhelming it like is happening in Italy.

Nobody is sure of anything, except if you do nothing it will be really really bad (i.e. Italy).

Ventilators are in critically short supply to handle a pandemic as are IC hospital beds. I heard an expert say that even if we had 100,000 ventilators, we don't have the staff to operate them.

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100%
Intubation is 99% straight forward. The difficult part is the care needed for the patient on the vent. O2 in, CO2 out levels need monitoring, tubes needs constant care to avoid condensation, they need to be adjusted and cleaned to avoid disease or infection. There is alarm fatigue among staff. And if anything goes south while the patient is on a vent, from my understanding it can happen very quickly.

venecol said:

@SammyBlueCat is from Washinton no? They got hit pretty hard. What's the latest over there.

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I live in WA but I do not like it here. (It is complicated)

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