What if Brady succeeds elsewhere? Ramifications for BB.

Tony2046 said:

Perfect post but it lacks drama.

Next time start with, " Here's my ******* 2 cents".

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Lmao, here's a little drama added to the take:

Should we be living in the Brady-Leaves Universe, a good season for Brady with another team will be less impressive than Bill having a good season. And it really doesn't have much to do with their individual talent and more with the context. Bill is entering what could be the biggest challenge of his career - no cap space, no GOAT QB, a lot of FA's on what is the strong side of the ball, and what's looking like (obvi this could change) a really tough schedule.

This is operating under the idea that Brady goes to a well-equipped team, which most who are pining for him seem to have.

The challenge ahead of Belichick is not only on the field, but mainly off the field. He'll have to pull out one of the best drafts we've seen in awhile, play the FA/UDFA game perfectly, and, well - adapt to not having the most clutch QB in history.

Have we agreed on what ramifications BB would be accounted for yet?

We should probably get back on topic.

Biffins said:

Don’t complain this thread is speculative and full of hyperbole. It’s in the very title.

What if Brady goes elsewhere, has a hugely successful season and meanwhile Patriots’ season flops as Stidham or whatever other QB throws pick after pick and has a full blown meltdown and Pats finish 4-12 or something or worse. What repercussions does that have to BB’s job, if any, as both a GM and HC? Will we then see Kraft split the GM and HC roles in that scenario to avoid any other obvious GM blunders. Thoughts?

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Just got to this thread 12 pages deep no chance of me being reading all of it. First I would be happy for Brady! No ill will you need to do what's best for you. However I am a Patriots above Brady and I have confidence that Bill would turn the ship around. Kraft would give BB at least 3 to 4 years to field a completive team. Regardless of what happens I would love another year of Brady but I would be excited for the next chapter with Bill & Kraft fielding a new team over the next few years, Regardless this will be a fun year, so lets roll the dice!

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Are you gonna be okay?

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Now that you're on ignore, yes!

Clonamery said:

Sorry, Polian had him as a 1st round grade and would have taken if but for Peyton Manning supposedly. I’m going to say it not that I necessarily believe any of it but Polian knows more about NFL football than you. And maybe me, too. Maybe.

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So you're refuting him by citing a Bill Polian claim that you admit is likely BS. Outstanding.

Kasmir said:

Now that you're on ignore, yes!

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The hissy fit comes full circle.

I bet this discussion went better when you previewed it in your mind. In reality, what an embarrassing train wreck.

robertweathers said:

We know the offense was sub-standard last year. What is your point?

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The point is they won 12 games thanks to defense and special teams, and could do so again with someone else at QB. I don't understand how anyone can look at 2019 Tom Brady and conclude we need to go into rebuild more if we lose this guy!

Actual Pats Fan said:

I disagree.

There were lots of very good players on that team, and the post-2000 offseason is one of the best in team history.

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Belichick took advantage of a league that undervalued: a) 3-4 guys, and b) old guys. He built a team that was much better than anybody thought.

To start the season they were not expected to make the playoffs.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

The hissy fit comes full circle.

I bet this discussion went better when you previewed it in your mind. In reality, what an embarrassing train wreck.

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Posters on ignore are hard to ignore because they're either wankers or continuously opinionated in a way that makes them highly quotable.

Jercules said:

So you're refuting him by citing a Bill Polian claim that you admit is likely BS. Outstanding.

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Yes because it's all so scientific.

Jercules said:

The point is they won 12 games thanks to defense and special teams, and could do so again with someone else at QB. I don't understand how anyone can look at 2019 Tom Brady and conclude we need to go into rebuild more if we lose this guy!

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All depends how you look at it.

Do you expect the defense to be as good in 2020?

Do you expect the team to improve on offense?

Do you expect Stidham to do just as well as Tom did?

If the answers are yes to all 3, then you are right. If it's "no" to any one of them then they are not real contenders in 2020

robertweathers said:

All depends how you look at it.

Do you expect the defense to be as good in 2020?

Do you expect the team to improve on offense?

Do you expect Stidham to do just as well as Tom did?

If the answers are yes to all 3, then you are right. If it's "no" to any one of them then they are not real contenders in 2020

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Fair point, the offense could have been worse.

Despite the famous hometown discounts, Brady is still costing lot of money. If starting Stidham means adding some pieces, or resigning guys like Thuney, we might not be any worse off. The transition will have to happen soon, and now might be the best time given how strong the defense and special teams are.

My point is losing Brady at this stage doesn't automatically mean a rebuild, as some here have suggested.

Jercules said:

Fair point, the offense could have been worse.

Despite the famous hometown discounts, Brady is still costing lot of money. If starting Stidham means adding some pieces, or resigning guys like Thuney, we might not be any worse off. The transition will have to happen soon, and now might be the best time given how strong the defense and special teams are.

My point is losing Brady at this stage doesn't automatically mean a rebuild, as some here have suggested.

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primetime said:

The 01 team also got lucky.

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Well, if you call David Patten losing consciousness with his leg out of bounds in Buffalo and the officials correctly ruling we maintained possession, then, um, yeah, we were a little lucky...

primetime said:

They played the second best offense in the NFL at home in a driving blizzard and won in part due to a thoroughly correct ruling on a thoroughly idiotic rule

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...which was just as idiotic and just as correctly ruled on the same field against the Jets in a game we lost; and both teams played in the same blizzard; and the reason our opponent wasn't hosting was because they blew late leads in half a dozen games down the stretch.

primetime said:

won the AFCCG on a special teams play

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It was two major special teams plays, with Troy Brown the key player in both [Come to think of it, I think Troy is an 'elite' player]. Anyway, similarly to the Super Bowl, the key was that our 'bend but don't break' defense was able to stop their offense for most of the day.

primetime said:

their Super Bowl opponent refused to make any sort of adjustment to their offensive gameplan

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...that is, they behaved like most other teams do.

TheRainMaker said:

Oakland would’ve beat them in regular conditions.

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I think it's safe to say the weather was not a factor vs. the Steelers and Rams.

Both teams had to deal with the snow equally.

This was not the Chargers at −9 °F (−23 °C) and a 35-mile-per-hour wind that sent wind chills as low as −59 °F in Cincinnati. Even then, the Chargers lost because they did not play well.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

FoR sUrE dUdE. lEtS rEsIgN ThUnEy BeCaUsE hE MaKeS uP fOr LoSiNg BrAdY. aNd We CaN aLsO sIgN sOmEoNe ElSe. YoU aRe ReAlLy SmArT.

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Must take forever going back and forth between caps and no caps like that, but this is so brilliant and insulting it was totally worth it.

Jercules said:

Fair point, the offense could have been worse.

Despite the famous hometown discounts, Brady is still costing lot of money. If starting Stidham means adding some pieces, or resigning guys like Thuney, we might not be any worse off. The transition will have to happen soon, and now might be the best time given how strong the defense and special teams are.

My point is losing Brady at this stage doesn't automatically mean a rebuild, as some here have suggested.

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Dear Jercules - the God of Blunder.

The difference between Brady and a rookie QB is not going to be made up by adding a piece or two with the apparent cap savings.

If they decide to move on from Brady they will definitely be in a rebuild or reset mode.

The best chance for the Patriots to win another Super Bowl championship this season is with Brady.

But go ahead and continue on with your post Brady dream, anticipating the next QB jersey you'll buy and I'll enjoy your participation in those post Brady threads *****ing about how Garoppoflop was the one who got away.

Jercules said:

Must take forever going back and forth between caps and no caps like that, but this is so brilliant and insulting it was totally worth it.

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Shift key - Wikipedia

Tony2046 said:

Dear Jercules - the God of Blunder.

The difference between Brady and a rookie QB is not going to be made up by adding a piece or two with the apparent cap savings.

If they decide to move on from Brady they will definitely be in a rebuild or reset mode.

The best chance for the Patriots to win another Super Bowl championship this season is with Brady.

But go ahead and continue on with your post Brady dream, anticipating the next QB jersey you'll buy and I'll enjoy your participation in those post Brady threads *****ing about how Garoppoflop was the one who got away.

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I'm going by 2019. If you still have visions of the glory days dancing in your head, don't let me spoil it for you.

I agree entirely getting Brady back is their best chance at a Super Bowl next year. Whether that's in the best long term interests of the team is another matter.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

You are really embarrassing yourself here. You believe it’s a coincidence and not correlation that BB won 1 playoff game in 7 seasons without Brady and 30 in 17 seasons with him. And you are questioning my understanding of probability. Lol.

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Ok what is the patriots record in the 20 years with and without Belichick?

It is obvious that the patriots have done much better with Belichick, and that they have done much better with Brady. It is also clear that Belichick did much better with experience AND with Brady AND with the players and decisions made by patriot ownership.